reported CPG VR view is off center to the L side

[mackemsniper]

Just to add to this, in 2D the default view is not centred either.

 

 

[sirrah]

On 8/13/2022 at 2:14 PM, mackemsniper said:

Just to add to this, in 2D the default view is not centred either.

 

 

I never played the Apache in 2D, but looking at this screenshot, it looks like the default CPG head position is not even centered on the TEDAC, in contradiction to what Bignewy said. Looks like in fact the head is even positioned left of the TEDAC.

In VR I find it very noticeable and quite annoying to not be centered in the seat, but seeing this screenshot, in 2D it might look even worse.

Hopefully ED's still considering giving us the opportunity to sit in the center of the seat without having to fiddle with the VR recenter option.

[mackemsniper]

Yeah, if you look straight down from the default view, the seat strap (in the middle of the seat) is far to the right.

[imacken]

I’ve been away from the Apache for a few months, so I apologise if this has been dealt with previously or if I am missing something obvious.

I’m having trouble with the cockpit view, particularly the CPG, in that I can’t access buttons switches on the back left panel, i.e. lighting/stores/jettison.  The seat just gets in the way.  It’s like the view is too far back. (Attachments a1 and a2).

Also, the CPG view is not in the centre of the seat. It’s off to the left, which feels very weird. (Attachment a3).

Any help appreciated!

 

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by imacken

[sirrah]

4 minutes ago, imacken said:

Maybe just me, but your pictures aren't loading here

[imacken]

3 minutes ago, sirrah said:

Maybe just me, but your pictures aren't loading here

Thanks, yes, something went wrong with the initial post.  Hopefully OK now!

[sirrah]

12 minutes ago, imacken said:

I’ve been away from the Apache for a few months, so I apologise if this has been dealt with previously or if I am missing something obvious.

I’m having trouble with the cockpit view, particularly the CPG, in that I can’t access buttons switches on the back left panel, i.e. lighting/stores/jettison.  The seat just gets in the way.  It’s like the view is too far back. (Attachments a1 and a2).

Also, the CPG view is not in the centre of the seat. It’s off to the left, which feels very weird. (Attachment a3).

Any help appreciated!

 

 

 

 

First issue (first 2 screenshots) I can't help you with. Haven't had this issue myself (I also play in VR).

 

As for the CPG not being centered in the seat: For some reason ED did this on purpose. Apparently to be slightly better aligned in center of the TEDAC (which is slightly left of center from the seat). Many of us would prefer to be just centered in the seat like in all other full fidelity modules. Perhaps you might want to add your "vote" in this thread here : 

 

[imacken]

Yep, another vote for having a seat centred view from me!  Feels weird at the moment.

[imacken]

5 minutes ago, sirrah said:

First issue (first 2 screenshots) I can't help you with. Haven't had this issue myself (I also play in VR).

 

As for the CPG not being centered in the seat: For some reason ED did this on purpose. Apparently to be slightly better aligned in center of the TEDAC (which is slightly left of center from the seat). Many of us would prefer to be just centered in the seat like in all other full fidelity modules. Perhaps you might want to add your "vote" in this thread here : 

So, I have the same situation in VR.  The start position is too far back.  I get sections of the back of the seat coming into view.

BTW, I 'voted' on the thread.

[BIGNEWY]

posts merged

[Floyd1212]

3 hours ago, sirrah said:

As for the CPG not being centered in the seat: For some reason ED did this on purpose.

I don't think the current situation is what ED intended.  That conversation was back in April.

For a long time the CPG was slightly to the left of center, which put them generally centered on the TEDAC.  However, in a recent patch the default camera position got shifted even further to the left, and back into the headrest.

In the meantime, you can move the camera position around to suit your tastes by using RCTRL+RSHIFT along with several keys on the NumPad.  Up/Down/Left/Right will move the camera in those directions, and * and - will move the position forward and backward.

Now, to save a camera position as the default position when you spawn into an aircraft, follow these steps:

1. Press and release Num5 on the numeric keypad to make the Default View the current view.
2. Use RCTRL+RSHIFT with the buttons above to reposition the camera to your liking.
3. Press and release RALT+Num0 to save that position.

While you are messing around with camera views, I highly recommend reading up on Snap Views, and setting a few of those to use as well.

The above info is for 2D, not sure how any of this works in VR.

[Hotdognz]

On 8/16/2022 at 11:22 PM, Floyd1212 said:

I don't think the current situation is what ED intended.  That conversation was back in April.

For a long time the CPG was slightly to the left of center, which put them generally centered on the TEDAC.  However, in a recent patch the default camera position got shifted even further to the left, and back into the headrest.

In the meantime, you can move the camera position around to suit your tastes by using RCTRL+RSHIFT along with several keys on the NumPad.  Up/Down/Left/Right will move the camera in those directions, and * and - will move the position forward and backward.

Now, to save a camera position as the default position when you spawn into an aircraft, follow these steps:

1. Press and release Num5 on the numeric keypad to make the Default View the current view.
2. Use RCTRL+RSHIFT with the buttons above to reposition the camera to your liking.
3. Press and release RALT+Num0 to save that position.

While you are messing around with camera views, I highly recommend reading up on Snap Views, and setting a few of those to use as well.

The above info is for 2D, not sure how any of this works in VR.

This does not work in VR which is what the first post was about so doesn't fix the issue there, it only works for those in 2D

[prancibald]

I've noticed this as well.  Always sitting slightly to the left in the CPG seat whenever I hit the recenter VR position button.  It centers me correctly in the pilot seat, but not CPG seat.  I wonder if this has something to do with the difficulty aligning the IHADSS?

I'm using Valve Index.

[SparxOne]

I have not touched the snap views on the Apache ever since i've owned the module, i wouldn't be able to tell you since when the CPG has been offset to the left because i don't fly the bird regularly enough.

But i can tell you that as of today, with what ever update has been made, my CPG still appears offset to the left as shown in the first screenshot, and the most annoying one, when actually playing as CPG, my view is also offset to the left, and as much as i'm using TrackIR, i don't quite fancy having to physically offset my head to the right to feel like i'm centered on the cockpit.

Strange if you ask me that it is down to me to have to create a new snapview to recenter the view and not have that by default with the bird... It just seems logical to have the CPG view centered by default and not the other way around.

CPG seen from Pilot view : 

So my question is : Is there any way to have the CPG back centered by default ? Or will i have to manually play with snapviews ?

[Hotdognz]

AT this stage in the Apaches development you will have to center the view your self to the seat center every time with the snap views (doesn't work in VR)

All we can hope for is that the developers give us the correct centered view for the CPG (2D and VR) and then let us either adjust to center on the TEDAC or not, I honestly cant see why this would be an issue as all we are asking for is a correct view from the seat like the pilot has, and from what I understand is a .lua file adjustment (I could be wrong)

[DaveTC]

Hi all,

Just read through this thread and I'm wondering because noone seems to mention the fact that the positioning of the boresight sensor in the CP/G seat is more to the right when compared with the positioning of the sensor in the back seat. In the back seat the sensor seems to me more centred. Maybe this also plays a part in the difficulties of boresighting in the CP/G seat.

Kind regards,

Edited September 28, 2022 by DaveTC

[Floyd1212]

2 hours ago, Hotdognz said:

AT this stage in the Apaches development you will have to center the view your self to the seat center every time with the snap views (doesn't work in VR)

Just as an FYI, if you fly in 2D and follow the procedure I describe on Aug 16th on how to save the Default View for the CPG, you won't have to do this every time you get in. 

[Hotdognz]

On 9/28/2022 at 10:26 PM, Floyd1212 said:

Just as an FYI, if you fly in 2D and follow the procedure I describe on Aug 16th on how to save the Default View for the CPG, you won't have to do this every time you get in. 

I'm in VR as I have said many times in this post but thanks for the information again.

I wish your suggestion would work for VR as it would make life easy, in another sim I play that I cant mention here, you can adjust the view in 2D for all the WW2 cockpits to position your head where you want it and hit F10 to save it and it translates to VR head position also which is awesome and very much the same as you mention.

In DCS for VR we have to rely on the developer to fix it the correct position for us unfortunately, so we will have to wait for ED to implement the correct head position for the VR view or change some code and allow us to do what you have mentioned then save to the VR view also, this would actually be the best way.

[Fercyful]

Still have to use the save camera position with latest open beta so still not fixed (non VR just TrackIR)

[Clogger]

On 9/27/2022 at 11:27 PM, SparxOne said:

I have not touched the snap views on the Apache ever since i've owned the module, i wouldn't be able to tell you since when the CPG has been offset to the left because i don't fly the bird regularly enough.

But i can tell you that as of today, with what ever update has been made, my CPG still appears offset to the left as shown in the first screenshot, and the most annoying one, when actually playing as CPG, my view is also offset to the left, and as much as i'm using TrackIR, i don't quite fancy having to physically offset my head to the right to feel like i'm centered on the cockpit.

Strange if you ask me that it is down to me to have to create a new snapview to recenter the view and not have that by default with the bird... It just seems logical to have the CPG view centered by default and not the other way around.

CPG seen from Pilot view : 

So my question is : Is there any way to have the CPG back centered by default ? Or will i have to manually play with snapviews ?

 

Yea this quite annoying, I usually just fly in the rear seat and having the CPG head all the way to left looks bad. 

[Costas_Ch]

Just to report that it is the same for me. Default view is off to the right. Very annoying and totally wrong.

Is there a way to adjust this permanently (through .lua files)?

[sirrah]

1 hour ago, Costas_Ch said:

Just to report that it is the same for me. Default view is off to the right. Very annoying and totally wrong.

Is there a way to adjust this permanently (through .lua files)?

If you're using a monitor, check this reply (a few posts up) from Floyd1212:

If you're using VR, you're screwed like the rest of us 

I sincerely hope ED will finally fix this in their next update. @BIGNEWY, sorry to tag you, but surely it shouldn't be too much work for the dev team to just move the default CP/G view a bit to the right, to place it in center of the seat, like all 1st person cockpit views . Is this "bug" being actively squashed by the devs?

 

[petsild]

Hi,

just look at the shooter's head, which is shifted far to the left.

This is definitely not the correct position, the gunner must have his head in the center of the cockpit.

Please ED fix the defect, thank you.

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by petsild

[Hotdognz]

On 10/23/2022 at 8:26 PM, Costas_Ch said:

Just to report that it is the same for me. Default view is off to the right. Very annoying and totally wrong.

Is there a way to adjust this permanently (through .lua files)?

I tried editing the .lua file with the view settings,  I could get the head to move left, up and down but could not find the line to move it to the right.

[Hotdognz]

These are the values I edited in the D:\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\AH-64D-views.lua

If some one can find the value that moves the head right we can fix this issue ourselves until ED fix it, we can make an OVGME version so we can re use it after each update.

Search the file for [2] = {-- player slot 2 (CPG)

CockpitLocalPoint        = {1.784 + 1.300, 0.992 - 0.45, -0.0125},

992 = edit this moves the viewdown
1.784 = 1.300  = edit this moves the view up and forward
-0.0125 = edit this by increasing value view goes Left (decreasing doesnt go right)

Cant find a move right value when editing and trying stuff

Edited October 27, 2022 by Hotdognz