[ATTN ALL DEVS] F-105D, F & G "THUD" THUNDERCHIEF ENGINEERING & PERFORMANCE DATA DUMP (upd. 2025MAY26)

[SOLIDKREATE]

My pubs have been shipped. I was informed pg 9 and pg 10 are missing from the supplement. 

Edited July 12, 2023 by SOLIDKREATE

[SOLIDKREATE]

And it’s here!

[SOLIDKREATE]

So any takers yet? I asked Grinelli but they have not answered.

[draconus]

12 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

So any takers yet?

Nah, I don't think so.

[BIGNEWY]

I know this document is prior to 1980 but the classification on the front page should still be adhered to. 

Please check our forum rule 1.16 at the top of the page. 

thank you 

[Blaze1]

5 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

I know this document is prior to 1980 but the classification on the front page should still be adhered to. 

Please check our forum rule 1.16 at the top of the page. 

thank you 

I was alerted to this by another member and thought it needed clarification that the statement on the manual isn't a classification, it's just the museums policy.  I have the same manual, but an original and not from the museum, so doesn't bear that statement:

 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Blaze1

[Dragon1-1]

Still, I suppose it'd be better to use the one not stamped as such. No point getting in trouble with NASM over violating their policy. That said, it says "for reference use". I don't know how it's legally defined, but perhaps you may use it as reference for making a commercial product (I imagine "commercial use" would be rather like charging people for getting to read it). I'd rather worry about "further dissemination" clause.

[Blaze1]

21 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Still, I suppose it'd be better to use the one not stamped as such. No point getting in trouble with NASM over violating their policy. That said, it says "for reference use". I don't know how it's legally defined, but perhaps you may use it as reference for making a commercial product (I imagine "commercial use" would be rather like charging people for getting to read it). I'd rather worry about "further dissemination" clause.

It really shouldn't matter which one is used as they're exactly the same.  I guess the only difference would be to use my title page.

[Dragon1-1]

Yes, but it'll still be better if it can be traced back to your copy, as opposed to the NASM one, just to play it safe. Law can be stupid like that, especially in the US, where people are known to go to court for dumbest of reasons.

[SOLIDKREATE]

The museums policy is for copying the book and selling it. We can use ait al;l we like for data gathering for a module. 

12 hours ago, draconus said:

Nah, I don't think so.

Yes I know I cant make copies or sell it. Not what I am doing. 

 

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Oh and yes I do have the T.O. 1F-105B-34-1-1s-3, Supplement as well.

Edited July 19, 2023 by SOLIDKREATE

[SOLIDKREATE]

Flipping through this book and the Supplement and I am amazed at what this bird can carry. Then even have Wild Weasel info in here. Sorry, I am just bouncing off the walls becauise now with this I can buy the Trumpeter 1/32 scale plane and 3D print all of the ordinance for it.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Well, I tried guys. I have had no one contact me about anything. This doesn't even have to be a PFM paid module. It can be a MOD like the F-104G Starfighter.

Edited July 24, 2023 by SOLIDKREATE

[Mike Force Team]

@SOLIDKREATE Sorry to hear about your frustration and disappointment nobody expressed interest. Perhaps asking @BIGNEWY to see if ED might be interested. 

Mike Force Team

[Fromthedeep]

ED already said in the past that they are not interested in the Century Series.

[SharpeXB]

7 hours ago, Fromthedeep said:

ED already said in the past that they are not interested in the Century Series.

Well we are getting an F-100

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

Yeah the F-100 is going to be an insta-buy for sure. Maybe Grinnelly will make one later. If they do I’ll mail the manual to them with the supplements.

Edited July 24, 2023 by SOLIDKREATE

[Fromthedeep]

8 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Well we are getting an F-100

Not from ED.

[SOLIDKREATE]

1 hour ago, Fromthedeep said:

Not from ED.

I know, from GD.

[PeeJott17]

The Thud is an awesome plane. Just looses to the 104 for me. 

We at VSN are working on an EFM-Version with custom clickable cockpit but it will need some time since we are just a bunch of guys doing that stuff in ouf free time.

If a 3rd-Party Dev would taje on that project, that would be awesome, but I guess from the money-side of things the thud would not sell that good (I still think a lot better than those jet-trainers) but may be not good enough to invest in the developement...

Anyway, our Plan is Update F-4B/C, Standalone F-104 V0.9, F105d+g EFM + 3dcockpit Version, may-be already standalone...

[MAXsenna]

On 7/25/2023 at 12:16 AM, Fromthedeep said:

Not from ED.

No one claimed otherwise did they?  

4 hours ago, PeeJott17 said:

The Thud is an awesome plane. Just looses to the 104 for me. 

We at VSN are working on an EFM-Version with custom clickable cockpit but it will need some time since we are just a bunch of guys doing that stuff in ouf free time.

If a 3rd-Party Dev would taje on that project, that would be awesome, but I guess from the money-side of things the thud would not sell that good (I still think a lot better than those jet-trainers) but may be not good enough to invest in the developement...

Anyway, our Plan is Update F-4B/C, Standalone F-104 V0.9, F105d+g EFM + 3dcockpit Version, may-be already standalone...

When people get tired of plinking targets with computers, they all fall back to the cold war etc.

[Fromthedeep]

2 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

No one claimed otherwise did they?  

Then it's a completely pointless thing to say since my initial statement was that ED won't make Century Series jets. The fact that 3rd party devs will does not refute my statement in any way.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I may have to go the route of the Su-22 creator and teach myself. My skills are in CAD & SIM (CREO 8 & ANSY 2023). I'm sure I can learn 3DS Max. The hard part is I have zero coding experience and would mostlikely use an existing jet as a template.

[Hatman335]

15 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

I may have to go the route of the Su-22 creator and teach myself. My skills are in CAD & SIM (CREO 8 & ANSY 2023). I'm sure I can learn 3DS Max. The hard part is I have zero coding experience and would mostlikely use an existing jet as a template.

According to Grinelli's statements, the F-105 is 'not available'. Therefore either something prevents this particular jet from being made (which is very unlikely) or someone has it licensed or at the very least has serious plans to deliver it. (Very likely)

[SOLIDKREATE]

8 hours ago, Hatman335 said:

According to Grinelli's statements, the F-105 is 'not available'. Therefore either something prevents this particular jet from being made (which is very unlikely) or someone has it licensed or at the very least has serious plans to deliver it. (Very likely)

Yeah I think it's the Century Series team. I left a post in their Discord. 

[PeeJott17]

15 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

Yeah I think it's the Century Series team. I left a post in their Discord. 

Hi. Well, yes, we at VSN are planning to "upgrade" our F-105D/G mod with an EFM (about 75% done) and a clickable 3d-cockpit (still a way ahead of us) and "want" to get it to standalone-status as well (even further away). But that will not put the 105 "off limits" for a 3rd-party-dev-team. Of course it might make it "not so interesting" since a good free mod could cut into sales. If Grinnelli says the 105 is off-limits, there is a good chance somebody "blocked" it for further developement... Or it is deemed not interesting enough or not makeable due to lack of info...