[ATTN ALL DEVS] F-105D, F & G "THUD" THUNDERCHIEF ENGINEERING & PERFORMANCE DATA DUMP (upd. 2025MAY26)

[SOLIDKREATE]

It's about to get better:

 

F-105 ENGINEERING DATA DUMP: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vX0tQbzGLVIf5VVtqHsQDxcY-mcLQaq9/view?usp=sharing

 

POST #1 UPDATED

Edited September 23, 2022 by SOLIDKREATE

[SOLIDKREATE]

RADIO COMM's over NAM.

 

 

[Mars Exulte]

Damn, nice work guys.

[upyr1]

7 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

RADIO COMM's over NAM.

 

 

great find, my dad was an EWO with the 41st TEWS which was part of the same wing. 

[Northstar98]

 

On 9/23/2022 at 11:50 PM, SOLIDKREATE said:

It's about to get better:

 

F-105 ENGINEERING DATA DUMP: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vX0tQbzGLVIf5VVtqHsQDxcY-mcLQaq9/view?usp=sharing

Nice!

There's a -1 flight manual for D, F and G and a -34-1-1 non-nuclear delivery manual for the B, D, F and G listed, which is fantastic news!

Edited September 25, 2022 by Northstar98

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

We never got told specifically what we needed, to be fair. But, I hope this is what we needed, legitimately. I'd love a Thud. Good work, OP.

[SOLIDKREATE]

11 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

 

Nice!

There's a -1 flight manual for D, F and G and a -34-1-1 non-nuclear delivery manual for the B, D, F and G listed, which is fantastic news!

 

 

Yeah saw that too. I uploaded everything. All wind tunnel testing too. I do not know if they would employ the Nuke Console because idk in the game engine could handle the math of a Nuke going off.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

2 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

Yeah saw that too. I uploaded everything. All wind tunnel testing too. I do not know if they would employ the Nuke Console because idk in the game engine could handle the math of a Nuke going off.

MiG-21 has the Rn-24 and Rn-28 tactical nuclear weapons.

The less said about them, the better. They're basically just FABs on crack. They were almost immediately restricted on missions because of what they did to the software's performance. They're still restricted because they're absolute garbage in terms how they're modeled and perform. Mag3 has stated they've no interest in going back to them and improving them.

Conventional abilities are clearly the priority and the various teams involved seem to agree upon that.

[SOLIDKREATE]

40 minutes ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

MiG-21 has the Rn-24 and Rn-28 tactical nuclear weapons.

The less said about them, the better. They're basically just FABs on crack. They were almost immediately restricted on missions because of what they did to the software's performance. They're still restricted because they're absolute garbage in terms how they're modeled and perform. Mag3 has stated they've no interest in going back to them and improving them.

Conventional abilities are clearly the priority and the various teams involved seem to agree upon that.

 

I'd say the 'A' model. This way no one would be forced to buy the Carrier module if they did the 'B'. I  couldn't find anything on the E model but I imagine all of the aerodynamic testing is the same. 

[mkellytx]

On 9/25/2022 at 3:19 AM, Northstar98 said:

 

Nice!

There's a -1 flight manual for D, F and G and a -34-1-1 non-nuclear delivery manual for the B, D, F and G listed, which is fantastic news!

 

Where did you see the dash 34-1-1?

[SOLIDKREATE]

4 hours ago, mkellytx said:

Where did you see the dash 34-1-1?

 

It is superceded by the -36-1-1. It's states it on the scanned cover. It's in the lower right.

[mkellytx]

2 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

It is superceded by the -36-1-1. It's states it on the scanned cover. It's in the lower right.

Ah, the source of confusion is now in focus.  The dash 36 you posted is a Non-Destructive Inspection maintenance technical order.  The dash 34 series are operations technical orders for the weapons systems and weapons cleared for use on the airframe.  So the -34 replacement in the list is the T.O. 1F-105B-36S-34.  The weapons manuals are always T.O. 1F-105B-34, 1F-105B-34-1, or 1F-105B-34-1-1.  This is an example for the F-111:

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[SOLIDKREATE]

frantically searching!

 

F-105D is loaded with Two GP M-118 3,000 lb bomb's seen from the Boom-Operators station of a KC-135A stratotanker while enroute. (Photo credit AMC history office Mark Morgan)

 

GP M113 "BULLET PICKER": https://bulletpicker.com/3000-lb-gp_-m118.html

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by SOLIDKREATE

[Skelator117]

On 9/19/2022 at 11:30 PM, mkellytx said:

No need to recreate, NACA did a lot of the work with Republic back in the 50's at Langley.  Most of those reports are up on the technical servers.  There's even at least one flight test report on the B model is/was out there on DTIC.  Chances are there's more with a thick layer of dust tucked away in the AFFTC technical library at Edwards.  All that's needed is someone with time, contacts, a little money and a lot of patience for FOIA.  The performance annexes as well are floating around the interwebs so a decent aero eng should be able to back out a lot of the key attributes with the proper guidance.

Good morning,
There are two publication that I purchased a long time ago that have a good synopsis for initial development for an F-105 module.
The first is called F-105 Thunderchief in Detail and Scale.  It was published by Kalmbach Publishing Company (Last publication date was 1993)

I think the bok had numerous performance charts in it.  At lease enough information was there to do a pretty good job of extrapolation for the performance of the 'Thud.

The second book is from the Wartech Series (Vol 18)  titled Republic F-105 Thunderchief.  This book has some great descriptors of the inside of the aircraft's cockpit.  From early to late 2-seat versions of the jet.  There is also some Radar mode information provided and the paint scheme for the 1 season only Thunderbird 'Chief (the 105 was pulled from the T-Bird roster after a horrific initial season with the T-Birds (the team switched back to the F-100 before moving on to the F-4).
Hope this helps.  As a very Young Chewchief, I had the privilege of watching a F-105 take off from Selfridge ANG base in Michigan as it stopped by for a transient visit.  My boss (who was a SMSgt) crewed the aircraft as it came through.  He had worked 105 during the Vietnam war.  He allowed me to tag along.  I remember the sound and that long T/O roll to this day.

Right now, so many years later, I have to settle for the VSN mod (which duplicates the long T/O roll).  I'll take it until a 3rd party module comes along (and a welcome addition it will be)!

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

I’m hoping the Smithsonian contacts me back about the weapons delivery manual.

[Mike Force Team]

@BIGNEWY Is ED or any 3rd party developers interested in creating the F-105?  Based on the posts for this topic, it seems there is information available to create the desired module.  

Mike Force Team

[Nodak]

You'll need the T.0. 1F-105B-1-1 Flight Performance Manual, it's the one that will have every performance chart for everything that was ever tested or interpolated for the ground and flight performance of that specific series aircraft.  From charts for wheel brakes effectiveness for surface conditions wet or dry, to roll rates for various wing configurations,  all known engine perimeters, to obstacle and terrain clearance charts for takeoffs for various pressures and altitude, basically everything you could ever want to know.  The -1 pilots manual only gives a very basic and generalized picture of performance, not enough to develop a flight model.  

If you have the flight performance manual all you really need is the avionics manual for the weapons delivery systems and bombing computer.  Generally not easy to find those two, they were not standard issue to individual aircrew, more at the squadron levels, and they would have been classified with accountability, so never fell into private hands, easily....

[mkellytx]

The performance annex is available on the interwebs.  So are some of the flight test reports from AFFTC.  The full set of control laws for the stab augmentation might be tough to find.  there's a NASA report with the block diagrams but not all of the logic for the gains are given.

[F-2]

I’m not all that interested in the F-105 but did any of you guys ever consider sending a FOIA to DTIC for what your looking for. They run your keywords through their database and send you an excel sheet with the matches and what agency has it. I did it for the For the F-2 and I got a large number of results. It might be worth your time.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Yes. I did. I was contacted back by the Smithsonian. I’m ordering the pubs today.

[upyr1]

22 hours ago, Nodak said:

You'll need the T.0. 1F-105B-1-1 Flight Performance Manual, it's the one that will have every performance chart for everything that was ever tested or interpolated for the ground and flight performance of that specific series aircraft.  From charts for wheel brakes effectiveness for surface conditions wet or dry, to roll rates for various wing configurations,  all known engine perimeters, to obstacle and terrain clearance charts for takeoffs for various pressures and altitude, basically everything you could ever want to know.  The -1 pilots manual only gives a very basic and generalized picture of performance, not enough to develop a flight model.  

If you have the flight performance manual all you really need is the avionics manual for the weapons delivery systems and bombing computer.  Generally not easy to find those two, they were not standard issue to individual aircrew, more at the squadron levels, and they would have been classified with accountability, so never fell into private hands, easily....

That is my big worry they don't exist 

[SOLIDKREATE]

They do exist, I have uploaded them in post #1

 

 

Okay biys which ones do you want me to buy? The Smithstyonian has them? Any thior party Modders with ESTABLISHED PFM module interested? I will literally buy this right now. I'm guessing the 1971 book?

 

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[Blaze1]

I think I have both of those manuals.  One of them I bought a few months ago (hardcopy), the other is in digital format somewhere.  I don't think I have the Operational Sup though.

Edited October 12, 2022 by Blaze1

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16 hours ago, Blaze1 said:

I think I have both of those manuals.  One of them I bought a few months ago (hardcopy), the other is in digital format somewhere.  I don't think I have the Operational Sup though.

 

 

You mind DMing me a link to those? I want to add it to the source files I uploaded in post #1. I dont know if you've downloaded ikt yet and looked at it.

[Blaze1]

6 hours ago, SOLIDKREATE said:

 

You mind DMing me a link to those? I want to add it to the source files I uploaded in post #1. I dont know if you've downloaded ikt yet and looked at it.

The digital version is on one of my external HDs somewhere.  As soon as I get it I'll upload it for you.