Virpil AH64D Collective

[corbu1]

I wonder if this is already official anpumpend other than in Virpil Anouncement  of 2022 VPC Shadow Tournament:

„And we almost forgot - the VIRPIL Controls development team is working on the release of a new collective grip for Q3 2023 - winners of the tournament and two lucky spectators will be invited as test pilots for this new grip. 

What collective grip is this? The Apache Collective of course!“

 

[sirrah]

On 12/3/2022 at 5:18 PM, corbu1 said:

I wonder if this is already official anpumpend other than in Virpil Anouncement  of 2022 VPC Shadow Tournament:

„And we almost forgot - the VIRPIL Controls development team is working on the release of a new collective grip for Q3 2023 - winners of the tournament and two lucky spectators will be invited as test pilots for this new grip. 

What collective grip is this? The Apache Collective of course!“

 

Oh, that is interesting news 

Where did you find this exactly?

[Knock-Knock]

20 minutes ago, sirrah said:

Oh, that is interesting news 

Where did you find this exactly?

https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/14172-vpc-shadows-trophy-2022-tournament/

[corbu1]

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Knock-Knock:

https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/14172-vpc-shadows-trophy-2022-tournament/

That‘s the announcement…..it was hard to find because it‘s just two sentences pretty at the bottom of text.

There‘s also a small thread on the virpil forums where users direct to that link. But that was all I found so far….This would be the third AH64D flight control device I kow in development or even released :

- komodo simulations: cyclic (released) collective (released) and tedac (anounced)

- Max Flight Stick: cyclic, collective and pedals (without toebrakes) as complete set (released).

- Virpil: collective (announced)?

Edited December 7, 2022 by corbu1

[Bell Driver]

Please......can't wait, a must buy for me when it drops!

[corbu1]

First pictures of Virpil Apache Collective teased…..,

https://forum.virpil.com/index.php?/topic/16326-behind-the-scenes-at-the-virpil-controls-hq/

[Rogue Trooper]

The Virpil Apache collective looks fantastic.

The Apache collective looks incredibly long in real life so I am not so concerned about the bog standard base collective being used. But I would expect the full resolution of the magnectic sensor to be utilised within or close to the Apache's actual physical movement.

My Wallet is prewarned and spooled for action.... a day one pre-order right here.... my first and hopefully not my last Virpil product. 

My dream has come true!... The KA-50 II will love this collective.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Rogue Trooper

[Floyd1212]

Maybe Virpil will also release a counter-weight accessory when this thing comes out, otherwise I expect the dry clutches will need to be quite stiff to keep it from drooping.

[Rogue Trooper]

Yeah I need to think about buying the online counter balance fix from America before the mad rush starts!

The silence from Virpil creates far to much doubt about which way we should throw our hard earned cash! 

Edited April 6, 2023 by Rogue Trooper

[Floyd1212]

If you are referring to this one, be advised you might need additional weights.  I purchased that balance kit for my Virpil collective (with an Alpha grip on it), and the optional weights are barely enough to balance it on the furthest hole.

[corbu1]

Yep, my wallet is prepared as well for the Virpil Apache collective! Really looking forward to it.

Not Virpil related, but my next device then will be the Apache KU from Total Controls.

[Rogue Trooper]

2 hours ago, Floyd1212 said:

If you are referring to this one, be advised you might need additional weights.  I purchased that balance kit for my Virpil collective (with an Alpha grip on it), and the optional weights are barely enough to balance it on the furthest hole.

yep that is the one.

I already read everyone else's problems with the weights. It is fine for me, I just need a well built counter balance system which this does offer.

1 hour ago, corbu1 said:

Yep, my wallet is prepared as well for the Virpil Apache collective! Really looking forward to it.

Not Virpil related, but my next device then will be the Apache KU from Total Controls.

Me too.

I think the KU will be the ultimate test whether it is possible to use it in VR. But without doubt, the solid and stiff actuation of button in the total control units is 3 dimensional positional awareness in its self.

It drives me nuts finding measurements for the Apache pilot station and at a later date the CPG station.

Edited April 6, 2023 by Rogue Trooper

[Cyborg71]

My greatest concern will be the "swing" at the business end of the grips. 

I use the virpil ka50 collective. It's a great peripheral. But even with the smallest cam installed the movement action from bottom to top is already enormous. (For me anyway)

With the extra length of the apache collective, the swing will be gigantic. I'm all for granularity in control feedback, but pumping your left arm up and down by inches rather than mm will feel unrealistic.

I hope they have some plan to deal with this (even smaller cam maybe) and the additional weight.

[Grievo]

The obvious next question is... Will they do a cyclic grip?

[Lace]

On 4/8/2023 at 5:31 PM, Cyborg71 said:

My greatest concern will be the "swing" at the business end of the grips. 

I use the virpil ka50 collective. It's a great peripheral. But even with the smallest cam installed the movement action from bottom to top is already enormous. (For me anyway)

With the extra length of the apache collective, the swing will be gigantic. I'm all for granularity in control feedback, but pumping your left arm up and down by inches rather than mm will feel unrealistic.

I hope they have some plan to deal with this (even smaller cam maybe) and the additional weight.

You can trim the saturation curve in DCS so it reaches maximum deflection at say, 50% of elevation, or however you feel it should move.

[Cyborg71]

3 hours ago, Lace said:

You can trim the saturation curve in DCS so it reaches maximum deflection at say, 50% of elevation, or however you feel it should move.

Thank you. That seems like a potential solution to the excess range of motion.

[corbu1]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Grievo:

The obvious next question is... Will they do a cyclic grip?

We will see….just only know about the collective. Haven‘t heard anything in this direction.

[AKA_Clutter]

Any more news on this.  Waiting "two more weeks" is hard.

[corbu1]

Since release of the teaser pictures, haven‘t heard any news from Virpil.

[Hobel]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb corbu1:

Since release of the teaser pictures, haven‘t heard any news from Virpil.

This is normal, back when the KA50 handle was introduced there was hardly any news either and it took a long time until you could finally buy it

I would guess based on Virpil's past that it will be a good 1 year before we can buy it, but maybe the processes have accelerated in the meantime, who knows, I'm just glad that they make one at all

[corbu1]

vor 8 Stunden schrieb Hobel:

This is normal, back when the KA50 handle was introduced there was hardly any news either and it took a long time until you could finally buy it

I would guess based on Virpil's past that it will be a good 1 year before we can buy it, but maybe the processes have accelerated in the meantime, who knows, I'm just glad that they make one at all

It was announced for Q3 in 2023……but it‘s not clear if it can be purchased then. Actually I don‘t believe in Q3 and your prediction sounds very reasonable.

We‘ll see and I‘m really happy they make one as well …

[Rogue Trooper]

Long time 1 year, goes fast, but a long time.

[Rogue Trooper]

Already feeling like it is far too long.

[Magic Zach]

Only been 6 months

[corbu1]

Yep, it‘s a hard time waiting some news on it….