DCS CH47 Discussion thread

[[DE] T-Bone]

I just wonder if we will have the possibility to work with the winch. The idea of being able to pick people up and put them down with it would increase the immersion factor even more.

[Rick50]

 

I agree about the winch. Maybe not for Early Access launch, but for the time after the major components are all working well, absolutely!  Doing CSAR missions, ship boarding ops and such.

Of course I think  it's also important to get a nice "sling load" system get developed, with decent physics, considering how incredibly important that is to the core use of so many Chinook fliights/missions, be it artillery deployment, airframe recovery, deploying Humvees, Chenowth Fast Attack Vehicle, or their modern Polaris RZR equivalents, and jeeps (maybe the Mutt?), fuel munitions and food resupply, or setting up FARP's. Come to think of it, maybe it should have fast ropes for specops raids.

 

[[DE] T-Bone]

On 9/13/2023 at 6:59 AM, Rick50 said:

 

I agree about the winch. Maybe not for Early Access launch, but for the time after the major components are all working well, absolutely!  Doing CSAR missions, ship boarding ops and such.

Of course I think  it's also important to get a nice "sling load" system get developed, with decent physics, considering how incredibly important that is to the core use of so many Chinook fliights/missions, be it artillery deployment, airframe recovery, deploying Humvees, Chenowth Fast Attack Vehicle, or their modern Polaris RZR equivalents, and jeeps (maybe the Mutt?), fuel munitions and food resupply, or setting up FARP's. Come to think of it, maybe it should have fast ropes for specops raids.

 

Absolutely, an expansion of sling-load capabilities should be a MUST for the Chinook. At least you should be able to transport a howitzer with 2 hooks properly, as it can be seen in many videos. 

https://forum.dcs.world/topic/316912-variable-use-of-the-3-load-hooks/#comment-5128791

[corbu1]

Oh yes, working Winch and slingload enhancements should be done with the Chinook! The CH-47 has 3 cargo hooks for best possible slingloading of different cargo and equipment…..would be great if these will be working in the DCS CH-47…

[[DE] T-Bone]

6 hours ago, Coeptus said:

This is probably going to get deleted by BN and 9L but they deleted the CH-47F pictures on the ED Instagram and replaced it with CH-47 Chinook pictures without the cargo hooks, kept the ICH-47F antennas, and deleted the close up shot, they also removed the Foxtrot countermeasures. A bit weird but it's all to vague to start pointing out stuff.

 

The picture I posted is directly from the DCS website, still available and with cargo hooks. But you are right, the CMs have been removed... 

[bies]

 

Great news in my opinion.

We have ~2008 US Army AH-64D so ~2008 US Army CH-47F fits perfectly.

I don't like random, unfit, niche low serie modules like year 2017 Italian ICH-47 would be, outside of DCS timeframe, not fitting anything else, making DCS less coherent, single aircraft simulator, without proper environment.

Every relevant variant, creating coherent environment, fitting other modules timeframe will be good. Early analog cockpit and manual flight control CH-47A, B, C, D from Vietnam or later Cold War would be great as well.

Edited March 30, 2024 by bies

[ANDR0ID]

Interesting... Being confirmed as a US Army variant it makes me wonder if we'll see some special options from other US Army Models... like a fuel probe, even if its not perfectly accurate for the F model. 

 

[ANDR0ID]

Understood on the MH-47 have significant differences from the standard CH-47... having a special option in the mission editor, for example, to have a fuel probe would be a welcome option none-the-less in my opinion. Obviously a nice to have that I wouldn't expect on initial release, but more options are good from my view point. Based on the variations in photos we've seen already, their may already be options in the works. 

[slowmover]

Sorry but i have to ask. Are there any news about CH-47? September ends and if i am correct we have 0 news.

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, slowmover said:

Sorry but i have to ask. Are there any news about CH-47? September ends and if i am correct we have 0 news.

We will share news when ready to, but you will need to be very patient.

thank you

[MAXsenna]

We will share news when ready to, but you will need to be very patient.
thank you

So it's futile to ask Santa for it?

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[Slippa]

6 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

So it's futile to ask Santa for it?
 

It's never futile to ask Santa for anything. Santa and his elves are always listening.

Personally, I will be asking Santa, the elves and anyone else if we can have it. I'll add it to my list right underneath Scoobys Lancaster.  Ho, and two more Hos.

[slipstream21]

On 9/29/2023 at 4:20 PM, BIGNEWY said:

We will share news when ready to, but you will need to be very patient.

thank you

What a joke. Pathetic. Get a grip and update your future customers. 

[Berniyh]

[Rick50]

23 hours ago, slipstream21 said:

What a joke. Pathetic. Get a grip and update your future customers. 

 

You need to chill. And grab a grip.

I get that you're frustrated, but you've got no skin in the game. They do.

Edited October 15, 2023 by Rick50

[slipstream21]

Understood Sir. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by slipstream21

[Rick50]

 

Keep in mind that ED's been around continually since the earliest combat flight sims that had any semblance of realism. And they've grown dramatically. They've made a few mistakes, AND LEARNED FROM THE EXPERIENCES. They know what they are doing, better than anyone in the business. They know when they are ready to sell to paying customers. It can't be rushed, that way leads to madness.

[dsc106]

Is there any indication of how many years out this is? Not sure if we should be expecting this anytime remotely soon.

[admiki]

#twoweeks

Since we have no idea how advanced this project is, I am hoping for second half of next year, but only ED knows. And even then there might be slippages.

[Rick50]

12 hours ago, dsc106 said:

Is there any indication of how many years out this is? Not sure if we should be expecting this anytime remotely soon.

 

No indications, sorry.

Based on dev time from past projects, from initial announcement to available for download from the store, it can range from 1 to 3.5 years. This is probably affected by a great many factors. It's also VERY difficult for us outsiders to estimate,  as I've failed quite badly a couple of times to give an accurate estimate. 

 

When did project ACTUALLY  get started? Most of the time I  think it starts when they tell us "yea, we've decided to make THISS!!". But a couple of times, I've wondered if dev actually started a year OR MORE before the public announcement.

 

Subject complexity: an Apache Longbow is more complex, more systems, more weapons systems, than say a P-47. This means slogging through more documentation, more communication  with Subject Matter Experts... and then a LOT more coding to meet the increased complexity.

 

Resource Allocation: Are 3 workers on it,  or 30 people? Keep in mind, Eagle usually has multiple projects in development at the same time, and so as one project finishes, those workers can be moved to speed up the current project. And as a new project gets approved, workers can be sent to get started on the new one. So the amount of people on a project will fluctuate, rising and falling as time goes on. As outsiders we have no clue.

 

Just my opinion, for the CH-47 I think you can expect AT LEAST  a year from now, meaning fall of 2024. 

 

[Rick50]

The 3d models seem to be often the first thing done, often at time of announcement. Ok,  maybe the "first draft" 3d model!! And I'm sure they'll tweek it and make incremental fixes, improvements to geometry,  material surface improvements and  such even after release day.  But,  most of the time,  an announcement often has a few screenshots of a nice model with good textures. 

But the flight characteristics, the radar modes, the radio modelling, the RCS calculation,  the landing  gear shock absorbers, the fire control modes and functionality, the behaviour slow and low "dirty", the transonic behaviour,  fuel burn rates at different altitudes,  air densities  and weight need to optimise to be close to reality... I think almost  all of this comes later. And while  in dev, occasionally they might throw us a few more bones in the form  of a couple  of screenshots of the model!

 

My point is that screenshots don't really tell us much about  the project's status, only that the artistry is this good, and you can  expect it to look somewhat like  this, so make sure your credit card will still be valid when we finally send  it  to the store for you  to buy!

[admiki]

If ED told us that it is firm 24 months out I would buy it right now.

[Bananabrai]

On 10/25/2023 at 1:25 PM, Coeptus said:

Stuff I don't want to speak about in the forums...but to keep it simple, the ICH-47F was pretty done in terms of modeling...at least what we've seen. I'd bet 1 and a half years or 2 at the most.

I think so as well. It all depends on so many factors, but in general I think the ED coders know their code, classes, etc pretty well.
Also the CH-47 is at least system wise not as complex as an Apache, Hornet or Viper, and at least in the widest understanding in terms of modeling for DCS uses similar code etc.
Then there is the FM but that is different for everything...

In general I also think less complex modules like the WW2 birds took not as long as the complex ones, and they also got faster if I think about the Mossie for example.

By now it's their 5th helicopter and I think they know what they are doing.
Could still be 5 years out if they only have one guy sitting on it, in the end it is just speculation.

5 hours ago, admiki said:

If ED told us that it is firm 24 months out I would buy it right now.

What if it is 25 month out. Will you buy it then only one day later? Or not at all?

[admiki]

24 months was just a number. My point is I am happy to pay for it right now if ED gave us firm deadline

Edited October 26, 2023 by admiki

[Silver_Dragon]

Someone need remember AH-64D 3D models appears on "2021 and Beyond" trailes on December 18, 2020, and AH-64D was release on March 17, 2022... a put 2 years time gate.