animeweebman Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 the Tu-28 is an old Soviet interceptor I'd like to see in DCS, I think it could be nice in an FC3 style where it has a nice model and whatnot but without the need for the whole high fidelity thing. the cockpit seems to be pretty typical Soviet style and I think I've already seen a lot of the gauges on the Su-25 or something similar, so I think it could be plausible, though maybe it would not be practical for a low fidelity module. If that is the case, then I would also like to know what it would take to develop a mod of my own and model all this kind of thing and all that. I also think it's a very nice looking airplane, and haven't really seen it in other simulators before. It could also carry 4 R-4 air-to-air missiles so it could be okay at bomber hunting (which i suppose was its historical purpose) which could be fun, and it is also decently fast (1,929 km/h according to Wikipedia). 4
F-2 Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 Big boy could be fun if the information is readily available 1
Silver_Dragon Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, animeweebman said: That image does not correspond to the cockpit of a Tu-128 Fidder. The pic shows a Tu-22M3 cockpit. The real Tu-128 Fidder cockpit, a tanden cockpit, no side to side. Pilot Front Cockpit Navigator / radar operator rear cockpit The problem, no only build that interceptos with feasible info, missing the propper use under URRS PVO and the data link / GCI emploiment. That interceptor always fly under GCI control, and dont make free interceptor flys, working with Kaskad-M and ARL-SM data links and Vozdukh – 1M GCIs and Tu-128 Moss AWACS. Edited January 22, 2023 by Silver_Dragon 2 For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
Dragon1-1 Posted January 22, 2023 Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) Worth noting it was an extremely limited aircraft. it was built to do one thing, and that was to carry four R-4 missiles for a long distance and launch them against enemy bombers, under GCI control. It was a peculiar design brought about by the need to defend enormous stretches of Siberia from US bombers coming over Alaska and North Pole, and was never adapted to any other role. It literally couldn't do anything but its primary mission. It was good at that, at least, being fast and with long range, but we don't even have maps big enough for it. It has all the problems of the MiG-25, only more so. Gauges looking familiar is normal, Soviet cockpits were heavily standardized. You can find most of the same instruments in the Tu-154 and MiG-21, too. Edited January 22, 2023 by Dragon1-1 1 1
animeweebman Posted January 22, 2023 Author Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said: That image does not correspond to the cockpit of a Tu-128 Fidder. The pic shows a Tu-22M3 cockpit. The real Tu-128 Fidder cockpit, a tanden cockpit, no side to side. Pilot Front Cockpit Navigator / radar operator rear cockpit The problem, no only build that interceptos with feasible info, missing the propper use under URRS PVO and the data link / GCI emploiment. That interceptor always fly under GCI control, and dont make free interceptor flys, working with Kaskad-M and ARL-SM data links and Vozdukh – 1M GCIs and Tu-128 Moss AWACS. ah lmao, i searched on google for "Tu-28 cockpit" and did not look at the caption, so that is my bad. the other points though are valid, so i'm leaning towards that it will not be a viable plane as an official module, but some user mod. perhaps sometime in the future i will take a try at it, once i figure out how the entire system works lol 1
bies Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 It would be great and atmospheric even as AI asset, hunting for NATO A-6 Intruders, A-7 Corsairs, Tornado IDS north of Kola Peninsula, also at night or bad weather. But its most common enemies were US strategic bombers of 1960s/1970s like B-52, B-58 Hustler, FB-111 and recon planes. Tu-128 simply looks good and unique. 3
draconus Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 11 hours ago, animeweebman said: ...maybe it would not be practical for a low fidelity module. If that is the case, then I would also like to know what it would take to develop a mod of my own and model all this kind of thing and all that. Single role or map size is not a problem. There are aircraft enthusiasts of all kind so the question is rather about financial feasibility. No low fidelity modules are planned - this type of modeling is abandoned in DCS. Now to make the module you're looking at years of work and research, even if you already have enough experience in both coding and 3d modeling, you also need full documentation of the aircraft, including flight performance data and weapon systems, and to make it decent you'd need at least a few SMEs (preferably ex-pilot, nav guy and maybe some maintenance stuff). 2 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
animeweebman Posted January 23, 2023 Author Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, draconus said: Single role or map size is not a problem. There are aircraft enthusiasts of all kind so the question is rather about financial feasibility. No low fidelity modules are planned - this type of modeling is abandoned in DCS. Now to make the module you're looking at years of work and research, even if you already have enough experience in both coding and 3d modeling, you also need full documentation of the aircraft, including flight performance data and weapon systems, and to make it decent you'd need at least a few SMEs (preferably ex-pilot, nav guy and maybe some maintenance stuff). i looked into the whole modding thing last night reading this guide, and though i don't really have any 3d modelling experience, it feels like it'd be very hard but maybe doable. my objective in making one wouldn't be a whole high fidelity professional module, rather in my head, the parts I would want in the finished product would be an external model, a non functional but decent looking cockpit interior, animated parts and lights, and I suppose I'd skip weapons. As for the performance, I imagine I'd use whatever data is available, and then I dunno, approximate the rest or something. Really, all I want is a "good enough" type thing, just something I can fly around and looks nice and maybe performs decently close to how it did. Will this be too difficult for one of my skill level or am I just wasting my time? 1
draconus Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, animeweebman said: Will this be too difficult for one of my skill level or am I just wasting my time? Only you can answer this question and since you asked, you don't know... yet 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
bies Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 BTW. One more thing about Tu-128 being specialised interceptor: big amount of people pay the money for unarmed civilian modules without any weapon system, interesting takeoff and landing characteristics of manual flight control high performance jet or military procedures and navigation, avionics, radar. Dedicated all weather interceptor would be lot more interesting than civilian airliner, in my humble opinion. Many guys enjoy having transport planes coming DCS etc. Having nearly all DCS modules i have to admit enjoyment often comes from modules i would least expect it. 2
upyr1 Posted January 23, 2023 Posted January 23, 2023 This thread is more evidence to support my statement that if you want to see the module wishlist, then get a copy of Jane's all the world's airctaft. The Tu-22 strikes me as a potential mod. Though I could be wrong about the potential as a module
animeweebman Posted January 24, 2023 Author Posted January 24, 2023 9 hours ago, draconus said: Only you can answer this question and since you asked, you don't know... yet well, in that case, i suppose there's no harm in giving it a go. time to set everything up and get going :))) 1
upyr1 Posted January 24, 2023 Posted January 24, 2023 8 hours ago, bies said: BTW. One more thing about Tu-128 being specialised interceptor: big amount of people pay the money for unarmed civilian modules without any weapon system, interesting takeoff and landing characteristics of manual flight control high performance jet or military procedures and navigation, avionics, radar. Dedicated all weather interceptor would be lot more interesting than civilian airliner, in my humble opinion. Many guys enjoy having transport planes coming DCS etc. Having nearly all DCS modules i have to admit enjoyment often comes from modules i would least expect it. I think there is interest though the real issue is when will someone think about doing it 1
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/23/2023 at 11:58 AM, upyr1 said: This thread is more evidence to support my statement that if you want to see the module wishlist, then get a copy of Jane's all the world's airctaft. The Tu-22 strikes me as a potential mod. Though I could be wrong about the potential as a module There was a decent plan for one a while back, but they couldn't get the necessary info. Had some good scans of one, though. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
bies Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 11 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said: There was a decent plan for one a while back, but they couldn't get the necessary info. Had some good scans of one, though. It was used exclusively by Soviet PVO Strany which was extremally secretive, classifying basically anything possible. That's why it may be impossible to obtain data for Tu-128 or MiG-25 even though they were phased out decades ago due to political reasons. 1
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, bies said: It was used exclusively by Soviet PVO Strany which was extremally secretive, classifying basically anything possible. That's why it may be impossible to obtain data for Tu-128 or MiG-25 even though they were phased out decades ago due to political reasons. The absolute agony of bureaucracy. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
F-2 Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 hours ago, bies said: It was used exclusively by Soviet PVO Strany which was extremally secretive, classifying basically anything possible. That's why it may be impossible to obtain data for Tu-128 or MiG-25 even though they were phased out decades ago due to political reasons. I have a FOIA request for belenko‘a Mig-25 manual. Unfortunately it was transferred to the DIA and their average response time would have them reply January of 2027.
Migratingcoconut Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 On 1/24/2023 at 8:40 PM, MiG21bisFishbedL said: There was a decent plan for one a while back, but they couldn't get the necessary info. Had some good scans of one, though. I was thinking of making a thread asking for the Tu-22 Blinder, do you have more info on this? Links perhaps? I'd love to know about it before I post. 1
Rudel_chw Posted February 18, 2023 Posted February 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Migratingcoconut said: I was thinking of making a thread asking for the Tu-22 Blinder, do you have more info on this? Links perhaps? I'd love to know about it before I post. There is a user mod coming soon, for an AI-only Blinder: 2 1 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Koty Posted January 17, 2024 Posted January 17, 2024 On 1/22/2023 at 11:17 PM, Silver_Dragon said: The problem, no only build that interceptos with feasible info, missing the propper use under URRS PVO and the data link / GCI emploiment. That interceptor always fly under GCI control, and dont make free interceptor flys, working with Kaskad-M and ARL-SM data links and Vozdukh – 1M GCIs and Tu-128 Moss AWACS. 1) small typo, the airborne control was Tu-126 2) You say they never did independent patrols, but that's exactly what that diagram is formation for independent search for when automated control is not available But I will agree, vozduch-1/1m is an important part of not just the PVO, I sincerely hope it will come into DCS at some point.
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