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  1. 1. Did flying the SU-25T or TF-51 factor into your decision to buy any modules at all and in what way generally speaking?

    • Yes, made me want to get FC3 modules
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    • Yes, made me want full-fidelity with weapons capabilites
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    • Yes, but they turned me away. I got inspired to buy modules for other reasons
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    • No, I got inspired to buy modules by other sources/for other reasons
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  2. 2. (Please answer after reading OP) Which of these do you think properly describes what the effect would be of adding a combat capable (limited role) full fidelity free plane such as perhaps the F-117A into DCS?

    • It would result in more exposure (more people playing DCS at all, covering the game on youtube for example, noticing it whether or not they spend $ on it).
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    • It would not affect the games exposure much.
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    • It would result in less sales of the other modules. (People would 'get their fill' from it and this would detract from sales other modules would otherwise get {net loss financially for ED})
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    • It would result in more sales of other modules. (net gain financially for ED)
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    • No appreciable effect at all. (closer to neutral financial affect for ED)
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Posted
6 minutes ago, Ashayar said:

Time to make a SU25UB ED 🙂

It'd sell like hotcakes!

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Posted
3 hours ago, Nodak said:

Some day in the future it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to dump the FC-3 plane pack as free.  They really won't fit in the line up well for full fidelity servers with fleshed out planes having radios, nav aids, and such.  Servers can always cherry pick which ones they'll allow.  Pretty sure they've already made their monies on these. 

 

And people can always cherry pick which modules they buy. Or don't buy. Freedom of choice. If someone wants an FC3 plane, they can pay for it like all of us did. I bought most of them on sale and the best price I got was $10.28Cdn. I see no need to ask for something that is a decent product and sells for $10 to be made free. I mean, it gets to the point where it's kinda embarrassing, I think. 

 

You know what, if everyone is ask for free stuff, well I want free stuff too. I want a pony. 

 

And I mean I want it NOW!  😭

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Some of the planes, but all of the maps!

Posted
13 hours ago, schmiefel said:

Maybe I am just from another generation or a different (old) kind of gamer, but what about this shown right besides the long product description, where the first entry leads you directly to the DCS homepage? If I am interested in such a 'game' and the free to play part is not giving enough information I would have a look in other information sources presented by the publisher / developer ... but maybe I have a too old shool thinking nowadays...?

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Yes actually, I think that may have something to do with your perception of this.

Been a steam user for over a decade, I have over 70+ steam games and never once clicked anything on those tabs or used them to navigate and all without issue. It is quite easy for most to skip that, I assure you as someone with plenty of younger friends who have used steam a lot. I made sure to tell those who wanted to play DCS not to use the steam version for the reason discussed. If I hadn't, they would have never known. The issue is not lacking two braincells, but lacking the right two. I know it must sound funny. Fact is this is how people work, or don't I suppose. As someone said well: they don't know what they don't know, so something needs to tell them. I found out via the website. What needs to be understood is that most users find out about dcs through friends on steam, and info regarding the trials and benefits of standalone are just left out of the loop. I can't blame them for being ignorant and I think it's really unfortunate. I wish something would something would be done about it through steam, but I have my doubts about that happening unless they decide to offer the trials via steam, but perhaps we will see.

11 hours ago, Beirut said:

 

Although I'm exceedingly good looking :smoke: I'm not the sharpest cookie in the tool shed. If I could figure it out, anyone could. It's not rocket surgery.

 

If a company says "Hey, wanna try 45 planes and helicopters and a bunch of great maps all for free?", and Joe Flightsimhead can't rub enough neurons together to hash it out, then Joe should go back to bed.

See above.

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Posted
10 hours ago, Top Jockey said:

 

2. About the 2nd question, I believe it can simultaneously happen more than just 1 of your options, so I didn't vote.

 

Sorry, I meant to do that. I'll fix it right away.

Posted (edited)
7 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:


The people who paid for their FC3 module will enjoy this, see all the newbies get it free while they had to purchase it like every regular consumer … is getting free stuff so important?

They sure would find it unacceptable for good reason.

As for the last bit: I would say getting free stuff is important only if it ends up growing the company. If it doesn't or is found to be too risky post calculation, then heck no.

As someone said, it is an investment into marketing. The potential for it to result in net profit is something we're incapable of calculating. I agree it would feel rude of me to just ask for something free and 'oh nevermind the consequences'. But that is not what is being proposed as far as I am aware and I don't think I missed anything important to that.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Migratingcoconut said:

I can't blame them for being ignorant and I think it's really unfortunate. 

 

See above.

 

I saw above. And I do blame them for being ignorant. 

 

It's a video game, not surgery. There is a point in all this where it must be accepted that if the person can't muster the intellectual fortitude to figure out how to access a - vi-de-o - game, then that person need mommy to unleash the teat, feed and burp them, and tuck them in for the night.

 

This whole thing has become a sad joke in defense of useless people. It's really quite silly.

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Some of the planes, but all of the maps!

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Every young or old person who is looking to buy a new game do their research and more so if they have a steam account, why is DCS any different ? Everyone knows what they are buying into.

 

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Posted
6 hours ago, Migratingcoconut said:

It is quite easy for most to skip that, I assure you as someone with plenty of younger friends who have used steam a lot.

Well, quite interesting how those 'kids' would get along with something extreme complex like DCS that needs a lot of research and dug in deep into manuals etc.

6 hours ago, Migratingcoconut said:

The issue is not lacking two braincells, but lacking the right two. I know it must sound funny. Fact is this is how people work, or don't I suppose. As someone said well: they don't know what they don't know, so something needs to tell them.

The more funny is it that just looking into the discussions for DCS in Steam the 4th topmost and pinned entry covers the module transfer from Steam to the standalone version:

Screenshot 2023-03-07 at 08-40-05 DCS World Steam Edition General Discussions Steam Community.png

Sometime its quite convenient to get out of the bubble and think outside the box to get some valid and even precious information - but maybe that's too much to ask for the – as we commonly state in Germany - 'generation rear seat' (='Generation Rücksitz' for those kids pampered by their parents until and even beyond when they normally should be adult) 🙄

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, schmiefel said:

Well, quite interesting how those 'kids' would get along with something extreme complex like DCS that needs a lot of research and dug in deep into manuals etc.

It’s surprising, given how complex DCS is, that any new player wouldn’t search out more info or help with it. Going to the official site is an obvious move. 
But…

The vast majority of players only play any game for a few minutes total, especially games that are free. Even paid games have a very low hours played stat. It used to be possible to see these figures on Steam. I recall DCS had something like 4.5 million owners, go figure it’s free. But their median playtime was only a few minutes. 
So being able to reach those players with the free content offers seems like a good move. Something simple like putting a link to it in that News Flag which appears on the main screen would do the job. 

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Posted
7 hours ago, schmiefel said:

'Generation Rücksitz' for those kids pampered by their parents

Yeah, right! When I was a kid, we had to walk to school. Five miles each direction, through two feet of snow. Uphill both ways. And we loved it!  🙂 

 

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Posted
6 hours ago, cfrag said:

Yeah, right! When I was a kid, we had to walk to school. Five miles each direction, through two feet of snow. Uphill both ways. And we loved it!  🙂 

 

 

You had a school?

 

Luxury!

 

We only had a picture of a school and we had to swim across a large lake just to look at it. 

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Some of the planes, but all of the maps!

Posted (edited)
On 3/6/2023 at 7:51 PM, Beirut said:

 

I saw above. And I do blame them for being ignorant. 

 

It's a video game, not surgery. There is a point in all this where it must be accepted that if the person can't muster the intellectual fortitude to figure out how to access a - vi-de-o - game, then that person need mommy to unleash the teat, feed and burp them, and tuck them in for the night.

 

This whole thing has become a sad joke in defense of useless people. It's really quite silly.

Ah,

I thought you said you enjoy this sort of thing as much as anyone. I won't do you the insult of pretending to be surprised it has come to this.

But look, I get it. I really do. People know. People say stuff like this all the time and people hear about this all the time. If saying it in this manner was ever going to solve anything or be remotely productive, it already would have.

If it is making you sad now, then I guess it really is long since past the time for you to stop ignoring and take your own advice; minus the book, walk, and music though at this point. Maybe just sit in a quiet room and think for a while. I do this plenty, it's helped me mature. I just gotta know: Can you agree that for your own part in this that it has gotten...drastic? Rather...extra?

And for the rest of you dog-piling in as well:

Is it out of your system yet? I do not appreciate that you had to do it here. I am sure (don't ask me how 😉) you can find millions of other places online at least to have a merry time voicing this kind of stuff to your heats content.  If you aren't done/have nothing else to add, then you are done doing anything here. Move on already. Quit harping and harping and harping and working yourselves up over nothing. It is like watching oxygen deprived people shoving squares into circular holes. I mean ask yourselves, what is condescending on the majority of dcs users/a generation going to or supposed to accomplish? Make you feel better about yourselves? Be honest now.

I'll try and re-rail things.

The issue is that if it is not dangled in front of the average users face, then most aren't going to notice and that may be a real problem for ED by the looks of it.

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Posted (edited)

@Migratingcoconut What did you really expect from this thread?

There is ED - over 30 years of experience on PC gaming market, they lived through the local wars and COVID lockdown - and they continue to grow worldwide, invite more and more 3rd parties to cooperate in creating more and more content, being best of the best in their niche.

I find it rather insulting that random internet users frequently come and think ED does not know how to reach new players and try to teach them how to do the marketing or even how to do their business.

How's your poll doing btw?

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Posted

I decided not to read through 8 pages of this thread, so just dropping a quick opinion that, most probably, has already been mentioned:

There is no need to develop any all-new modules just to get more free options. The two planes available do give a pretty good peek into DCS, plus on top of that anyone who went so far as installing it does have the option to try virtually any module for free for two whole weeks. That is plenty of time to see if you enjoy it, or if it meets your expectations.

(Insert rant about 'back in my day we had to buy modules solely on written reviews')

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Am 7.3.2023 um 16:54 schrieb cfrag:

Yeah, right! When I was a kid, we had to walk to school. Five miles each direction, through two feet of snow. Uphill both ways. And we loved it!  🙂 

 

And you didn't even have to fight off wolves and bears!? Pfft!

Hope you didn't choke on your silver spoon.... 😛

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In my opinion, the Core game would benefit from a multicrew trainer being added into it for new people to get help or to take friends along for "the ride" to bring them in. In terms of lower effort projects that would be based on existing ED IP, I would suggest the T-38 or F-5F for this role. Now if I were to have all the power, I have always said that the A-4 mod should be included with core (or at least have a version management through core for online play) and that the T-45 Goshawk mod needs access to the SDK and all the proper multicrew syncing support to take it to the next level. Both of these mods are fantastic and have their own niche in the game that could be exploited to bring more people into the sim than not.

Posted
2 minutes ago, WRCRob said:

In my opinion, the Core game would benefit from a multicrew trainer being added into it for new people to get help or to take friends along for "the ride" to bring them in. In terms of lower effort projects that would be based on existing ED IP, I would suggest the T-38 or F-5F for this role. Now if I were to have all the power, I have always said that the A-4 mod should be included with core (or at least have a version management through core for online play) and that the T-45 Goshawk mod needs access to the SDK and all the proper multicrew syncing support to take it to the next level. Both of these mods are fantastic and have their own niche in the game that could be exploited to bring more people into the sim than not.

Sorry to say but your friends will think getting a ride in a video game plane is really boring 😆 again there’s this thing where people are trying to force their friends into this game who just don’t want to play it. Why bother?

The community mod planes almost certainly don’t meet the requirements for official inclusion into the game. 

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Posted
32 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Sorry to say but your friends will think getting a ride in a video game plane is really boring 😆 again there’s this thing where people are trying to force their friends into this game who just don’t want to play it. Why bother?

The community mod planes almost certainly don’t meet the requirements for official inclusion into the game. 

the A-4E certainly does meet and exceed requirements for inclusion and is better than some of the 3rd party official modules.

 

If ED was to include a new free module, it would likely be a trainer, T-38 or T-7 etc.

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Posted
1 hour ago, SkateZilla said:

the A-4E certainly does meet and exceed requirements for inclusion and is better than some of the 3rd party official modules.

 

If ED was to include a new free module, it would likely be a trainer, T-38 or T-7 etc.

By requirements particularly that means all the work needs to be original. Everything from artwork to coding etc. I’m sure you know that. Community mods likely borrow content from lots of sources that a commercial product couldn’t use. 

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By requirements particularly that means all the work needs to be original. Everything from artwork to coding etc. I’m sure you know that. Community mods likely borrow content from lots of sources that a commercial product couldn’t use. 
Can you name some?

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1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Can you name some?

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Could be anything. For example a mod could take audio straight from a movie or film they don’t own. They could use any source without bothering to need the rights to it etc. If they aren’t selling the product there’s no need to worry about that. 

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Could be anything. For example a mod could take audio straight from a movie or film they don’t own. They could use any source without bothering to need the rights to it etc. If they aren’t selling the product there’s no need to worry about that. 
Ah, I see your point.

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