KoN Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 With the MT command to enter DCS Syria Map online Rotor - heads server , All my memory is being used and this is leading to Stutters . A total of 32GB System memory is being used . Still testing . Normally only 24GB used Syria Map . Same server . Only 8 players 3 1 Gigabyte - X570 UD ~ Ryzen - 5600X @ 4.7 - Pulse - RX-6800 - XPG 32:GB @ 3200 - VKB - Gunfighter 4 - STECs - Throttle - Crosswinds Rudders - Trackir 5 . I'm a dot . Pico Nero 3 link VR . @ 4k Win 11 Pro 64Bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 (edited) Hi, Had this issue as well. When it got to 100% my pc actually crashed, then another time half the programs running crashed. Attached logs for help. dcs.log.olddcs.20230310-164733.crashdcs.log-20230310-172917.zipdcs.20230310-172917.crashdcs.20230310-172917.dmpdcs.log-20230310-185718.zipdcs.20230310-185718.crashDCS-SimpleRadioStandalone.logdebrief.logDxDiag.txt Edited March 11, 2023 by hazzer 1 RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoN Posted March 11, 2023 Author Share Posted March 11, 2023 A Restart of PC cleared cache re-ran DCS-MT . This time 29GB of ram being used Also noticed when Pressing outside views F2 and F3 and F10 - map view the Memory graph would jump adding more memory every time I pressed the outside views . Memory isn't being cleared . So to play DCS in VR on a server Nearly all 32GB and All 16GB of Vram is being used . That's just crazy . Please tell me this isn't right . 3 Gigabyte - X570 UD ~ Ryzen - 5600X @ 4.7 - Pulse - RX-6800 - XPG 32:GB @ 3200 - VKB - Gunfighter 4 - STECs - Throttle - Crosswinds Rudders - Trackir 5 . I'm a dot . Pico Nero 3 link VR . @ 4k Win 11 Pro 64Bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 An other crash just occurred. Fresh save games folder and all memory used. dcs.log dcs.log-20230311-162925.zip dxdiag.txt 1 RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 My RAM has been almost maxed out around 29-31 GB RAM, since 2.7 came out, so I don't think it is the MT. Any time I go into a big server it always goes up there. I use to have 16 RAM and could not even run multiplayer anymore, since 2.7 came out. Moved up to 32 then and now I went up to 64. 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 The same problem still exists when using VR+, therefore I switched to a version without multithreading and crashes. dcs.20230312-223445.crash dcs.20230312-223445.dmp dcs.log 1 AMD R9 5950X | 32GB DDR4-4000 | Radeon 6900XT | Thrustmaster warthog + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | HP Reverb G2 FC3 |МиГ-21 | F/A-18C | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | JF-17| AJS-37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 On 3/11/2023 at 11:18 AM, KoN said: A Restart of PC cleared cache re-ran DCS-MT . This time 29GB of ram being used Also noticed when Pressing outside views F2 and F3 and F10 - map view the Memory graph would jump adding more memory every time I pressed the outside views . Memory isn't being cleared . So to play DCS in VR on a server Nearly all 32GB and All 16GB of Vram is being used . That's just crazy . Please tell me this isn't right . I am also noticing a big lag / delay switching from Map view to cockpit view and it tends to get worse the more often I do it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 13, 2023 ED Team Share Posted March 13, 2023 Hi, please ensure you are not using any unofficial mods, edits or tools like reshade. run a slow repair of DCS or verify if steam delete fxo and metashader2 folder in saved games dcs.openbeta folder restart DCS and allow time to load and create new shaders. retest and add any crash log here again thank you 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said: Hi, please ensure you are not using any unofficial mods, edits or tools like reshade. run a slow repair of DCS or verify if steam delete fxo and metashader2 folder in saved games dcs.openbeta folder restart DCS and allow time to load and create new shaders. retest and add any crash log here again thank you Hi, Already did those things so my crash logs are following that. I have got the game running but it seems like it struggles to load in without a CTD, using all the memory available. 2 RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I complained about DCS leaking memory in another thread but was told than nobody else is experiencing it, and it is hard to debug. I installed a fresh Windows 10, have no mods and I still observe it (ST, not MT). When I join and start flying F16 on GS server (Causasus map) it initially uses 17 Gb of RAM. But over about an hour it grows to full 32 and my game stutters. I cannot attribute this increase to any certain events. It can go lower as I fly higher, but over time still grows. I don't change server, and crashes/respawns do not seem to contribute to it. I have a very fast 2*16 Gb RAM running at 4000mhz gear 1 and I enjoy stable 90 fps in VR. Adding two more sticks is not an option, and should not be the solution. The devs should look into fixing this memory leak. 1 1 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 15, 2023 ED Team Share Posted March 15, 2023 Personally I am not getting any crash. depending on the mission DCS will use the available memory. I have 64GB RAM and it does not max out. if you have 32GB RAM or less I would ensure your pagefile is set to 32GB also to see if it helps thanks 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 15, 2023 ED Team Share Posted March 15, 2023 On 3/11/2023 at 4:38 PM, hazzer said: An other crash just occurred. Fresh save games folder and all memory used. dcs.log 293.74 kB · 1 download dcs.log-20230311-162925.zip 4.34 MB · 0 downloads dxdiag.txt 132.91 kB · 1 download I am getting a crash with your track replay, but it isnt a memory crash. I will ask the team to take a look thanks 2 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 hours ago, BIGNEWY said: I am getting a crash with your track replay, but it isnt a memory crash. I will ask the team to take a look thanks Thaks for taking a look! I have 32GB ram and have a 32GB page file set as well. Although the pagefile is helping I'm not sure it's working as well as it could. Debating updagrading the RAM, Cpu and mobo now £££ RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 15, 2023 ED Team Share Posted March 15, 2023 11 minutes ago, hazzer said: Thaks for taking a look! I have 32GB ram and have a 32GB page file set as well. Although the pagefile is helping I'm not sure it's working as well as it could. Debating updagrading the RAM, Cpu and mobo now £££ going to 64gb RAM was one upgrade I thought was worth it, but it does hurt the wallet for sure. 3 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwizdek Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I can confim memory issue. Went to MP server and started to view other planes via F2. The memory used kept increasing, reached max 32GB and then after a while DCS crashed. 2023-03-15 18:50:13.244 INFO EDCORE (5456): OS-Version: 10.0.19045 () 0x100-0x1 2023-03-15 18:50:13.260 INFO EDCORE (5456): 0x000000000002701b (edCore): ed::fatal_out_of_memory + 0x3B dcs.log If I stop using F2, memory usage slowly starts to decrease, but maybe it's to slow in some scenarios. dcs.20230315-185036.crash 1 SYSTEM SPECS: AMD Ryzen 7 5800x3d, 32GB RAM, RTX 4090, HP Reverb G2, VKB Gladiator NXT Premium, Thrustmaster TWCS Throttle SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 10, Joystick Gremlin, OpenKneeboard, VoiceAttack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alireza.kh Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 this memory leak problem was there before launch of MT. one example is in Multiplayer, near 40 players, Syria map and heavy mission after 3 hours of playing my page file was near 75 GB. so set page file at least 80 GB. this may help. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted March 15, 2023 Share Posted March 15, 2023 I have my page file on a fast NVMe drive, but it is no match to RAM. Once 32 Gb are full, constant swapping makes my game stutter and I must reboot the PC. Comments above suggest that other planes textures are filling up RAM. Maybe they should be purged on each respawn? 2 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuskyV Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Object textures always caused memory problems. Just sit in the encyclopaedia and flick through every unit and module including liveries and your ram will be out of memory before you reach the end. I think for multiplayer servers, the owners often use all available liveries for modules they add so players can customise. I theorise that this is part of the problem as not only is the module loading but often players will sit and flick through multiple liveries, this eventually has to be communicated to all other players. When that player comes into range of others the livery then loads for others, however if that same player then changes livery and comes back into contact with those same players multiple times I wonder if you can quickly end up with a similar scenario as with the encyclopaedia? Limiting liveries server side could help clients in theory… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToastyBanK3nobi Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 I have the same issue with MT, also made a Post, BigNewy wanted me to reinstall everything, i did but hadn´t had the time jet to test... but now i´m not alone anymore... i have nearly 100 pagefile and 32gb ram, both tilted with complete crash. i think this isn´t about mods or anything else, the ram overflows, because it isn´t cleaned. I also can confirm the behavior of F2 and F3 but also add F7 F9 and F12 all of them add Ram usage and it won´t go down fast enough. In ST it will go down a bit faster then in MT, but if you stream like me and also have OBS and other Programs running it´s a pain in the ass to restart every 2 hours to save the game from crashing. That´s the only work arround i have found so far... 2 https://www.twitch.tv/toastybank3nobi beQuiet! Dark Base 700 | Ryzen 9 3900X | beQuiet! Silent Loop 2 | ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming 4 | Kingston FURY BEAST 128 GB DDR4-3200 AMD Reference RX 6700 XT 12 GB | Sabrent 2TB Rocket Nvme PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 | Roccat Isku | Logitech G502 Hero | Razer Kraken Tournament Edt. HOTAS Logitech X56 | PS3 Eyetoy (OpenTrack) | 1x Samsung S27B350 | 3x Samsung S24A650 | Steinberg UR242 | Marantz MPM1000 XLR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAW_Impalor Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) Just tried the encyclopedia test. RAM indeed grows with each new model. Plus some liveries take really long time to display (F-14A-135-GR) even on my high-end PC at 1920x1080 and even if the plane has already been loaded in RAM. In fact, I see no difference if it was loading for the first time from my SSD or been cached in RAM. There is definitely something fishy going on and I urge @BIGNEWY and @Flappie to have a look. Edit: just noticed that the liveries change randomly, explains why I see no caching effect. Still, purging can be added on respawns to fix RAM clogging. Edited March 16, 2023 by TAW_Impalor 6 12900KF@5.4, 32GB DDR4@4000cl14g1, 4090, M.2, W10 Pro, Warthog HOTAS, ButtKicker, Reverb G2/OpenXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrl11 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Make sure tacview is not running on your tests. That can eat up alot of memory especially on large missions over time. 1st vAEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted March 18, 2023 Share Posted March 18, 2023 I'm assuming this is why I keep getting stutters as well, although possibly cpu usage related whilst looking around RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoN Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) There is definitely a memory issue with DCS . It's not being cleared. I hope the new Vulkan engine is looking into a fix . I am not going to upgrade to 64gb of ram that's just crazy thinking and expensive. DCS needs to find a solution not the paying customer. Every time DCS do something big we all have to upgrade. I don't see any other game titles forcing it's customer to keep updating and buying new hardware . I really hope Vulkan makes changes to this old old game engine. Will be testing more this week. Edited March 22, 2023 by KoN 4 Gigabyte - X570 UD ~ Ryzen - 5600X @ 4.7 - Pulse - RX-6800 - XPG 32:GB @ 3200 - VKB - Gunfighter 4 - STECs - Throttle - Crosswinds Rudders - Trackir 5 . I'm a dot . Pico Nero 3 link VR . @ 4k Win 11 Pro 64Bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted March 22, 2023 ED Team Share Posted March 22, 2023 We will continue to investigate, thanks 1 Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, HP Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luse Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Another one for the encyclopedia memory add. Hitting memory limit with 32GB RAM & 32GB Pagefile, granted I am using VR & Higher res textures. STT Radar issue is leftover code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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