Bounti30 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 At the same level as ''Dedicated server performance'' i think the new spotting must be a priority. I am aware of the work accomplished and I thank ED. But until a solution is found I remain in version 2.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 No any changes after Today's patch (DCS Open Beta 2.9.1.48111) . Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huo33322 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Noticed that have a new option to close new dots,but it still not work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoN Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Over the weeks of testing it's becoming frustrating. Especially online in competitive servers . And especially guns only combat . However I still believe this is the right step for ED . I just can't go back to flat screen after being blown away by DCS in VR. 1 Gigabyte - X570 UD ~ Ryzen - 5600X @ 4.7 - Pulse - RX-6800 - XPG 32:GB @ 3200 - VKB - Gunfighter 4 - STECs - Throttle - Crosswinds Rudders - Trackir 5 . I'm a dot . Pico Nero 3 link VR . @ 4k Win 11 Pro 64Bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmal Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 ED had added new option in settings to return visibility of dots like it was 2.8 It works perfectly! But need to remove the imgui.ini in the Saved Games that we added earlier to avoid conflict 1 Мой позывной в DCS: _SkyRider_ Мой канал YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGdfzT7-xbgvmPwmUcCNArQ?view_as=subscriber My callsign on DCS is: _SkyRider_ My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGdfzT7-xbgvmPwmUcCNArQ?view_as=subscriber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why485 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Also FYI, after changing the option you need to restart DCS. It doesn't apply immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoN Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:06 PM, Shmal said: ED had added new option in settings to return visibility of dots like it was 2.8 It works perfectly! But need to remove the imgui.ini in the Saved Games that we added earlier to avoid conflict Thanks going to try this Gigabyte - X570 UD ~ Ryzen - 5600X @ 4.7 - Pulse - RX-6800 - XPG 32:GB @ 3200 - VKB - Gunfighter 4 - STECs - Throttle - Crosswinds Rudders - Trackir 5 . I'm a dot . Pico Nero 3 link VR . @ 4k Win 11 Pro 64Bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 It was at the last news too, however its a WIP still (I hope!) and there was no mention of deleting anything, so it's not really an official solution. Maybe they have something else in mind but it's not finished: Quote Targeting Spotting Development Progress In the latest DCS Open Beta update, we added a new target spotting algorithm that allows the rendering of objects to not be affected by view zoom level and have a maximum rendering distance based on the object size. Some community members have responded positively to these changes; however, we have also received some critical feedback, especially from VR users. In the most recent DCS 2.9 Open Beta update, we will be adding a settings toggle to switch this algorithm ON or OFF. If set to OFF, the rendering is reverted to the previous method. We continue to improve this feature for VR, and we would like to extend our thanks for your feedback. Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex854Warrior Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Using quad views foveated renderring (Pimax Crystal, Pimax 8KX with a Droolon Pi 1 eye tracker, Varjo Aero etc.) , the spotting dots do not appear within the region that is "high resolution". They do however appear in the peripheral region so basically you look away, see the dots, then look towards them, they disappear. This is the layer (developped by @mbucchia) that is required for headsets others then the Varjo Aero which supports it within Varjo Base, it also has documentation regarding how this technique works : https://github.com/mbucchia/Quad-Views-Foveated https://github.com/mbucchia/Quad-Views-Foveated/wiki/What-is-Quad-Views-rendering%3F Edited November 22, 2023 by Rex854Warrior [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAIPAN_ Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 10:18 AM, Rex854Warrior said: Using quad views foveated renderring (Pimax Crystal, Pimax 8KX with a Droolon Pi 1 eye tracker, Varjo Aero etc.) , the spotting dots do not appear within the region that is "high resolution". They do however appear in the peripheral region so basically you look away, see the dots, then look towards them, they disappear. This is the layer (developped by @mbucchia) that is required for headsets others then the Varjo Aero which supports it within Varjo Base, it also has documentation regarding how this technique works : https://github.com/mbucchia/Quad-Views-Foveated https://github.com/mbucchia/Quad-Views-Foveated/wiki/What-is-Quad-Views-rendering%3F I think they are there but they are so small like 1 or 2 pixels. This is why I worry when people with lower resolution say the dots are too big, if ED reduces the size then people with new 2023+ high res headsets won't be able to see them at all. Thankfully the personal setting to disable in options is a solution for them. For now to see the dot at all with QuadViews I have to do two things - make sure the focus area is just 100% SS not something very tight like some people run 200% Also disable DLSS or DLAA. MSAA is kind of ok. After doing these two the dots are visible from about 5nm, although very small it's better than nothing. Pimax Crystal VR & Simpit User | Ryzen CPU & Nvidia RTX GPU | Some of my mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoN Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 11:46 PM, TAIPAN_ said: I think they are there but they are so small like 1 or 2 pixels. This is why I worry when people with lower resolution say the dots are too big, if ED reduces the size then people with new 2023+ high res headsets won't be able to see them at all. Thankfully the personal setting to disable in options is a solution for them. For now to see the dot at all with QuadViews I have to do two things - make sure the focus area is just 100% SS not something very tight like some people run 200% Also disable DLSS or DLAA. MSAA is kind of ok. After doing these two the dots are visible from about 5nm, although very small it's better than nothing. Hate to say it but other flight sims don't have a spotting problem. Some did have many years ago but they rectified it . And rectified it fast . Even today you can still play these sims on your 4k monitor and still see targets . Even VR works. What I'm saying here is DCS needs to find that technology that these other old sims use . As well as new sims . With all the lighting effects we have in dcs surely they can come up with something. 1 1 Gigabyte - X570 UD ~ Ryzen - 5600X @ 4.7 - Pulse - RX-6800 - XPG 32:GB @ 3200 - VKB - Gunfighter 4 - STECs - Throttle - Crosswinds Rudders - Trackir 5 . I'm a dot . Pico Nero 3 link VR . @ 4k Win 11 Pro 64Bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAIPAN_ Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 9 hours ago, KoN said: Hate to say it but other flight sims don't have a spotting problem. Some did have many years ago but they rectified it . And rectified it fast . Even today you can still play these sims on your 4k monitor and still see targets . Even VR works. What I'm saying here is DCS needs to find that technology that these other old sims use . As well as new sims . With all the lighting effects we have in dcs surely they can come up with something. Yes I tend to agree. Eg a better solution is to scale the aircraft models to the FOV instead of to the pixels, and fade them appropriately. The way it's done in IL2 I can still see them faintly in the distance and start to make out stubs of wings as I get closer. The way it's done in BMS however is overdone, they are way too large in the distance but I don't know if they offer some sort of configuration for their smart scaling or not. I don't play MSFS enough to remember how it works there. Pimax Crystal VR & Simpit User | Ryzen CPU & Nvidia RTX GPU | Some of my mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britchot Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) Just adding a video to show where some aircraft LODs disappear (MiG-21 and Mirage F1) before the spotting dot and others overlap visibility (MiG-19, AV-8B, F-5E, M2kC). Settings are DLSS on, Sharpening at 1.0, LOD at 2.0, and Antistropic filtering off. Posting the link as HD is processed (need to step out). You may need to wait a few for a clearer image. Edited December 14, 2023 by Britchot 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU - Intel 8088 @ 4.77 MHz; Memory - 128KB; 360KB double-sided 5 1/4" full-height floppy disk drive; 10MB Seagate ST-412 hard drive JG-1 MiG-21bis Checklist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why485 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Britchot said: Just adding a video to show where some aircraft LODs disappear (MiG-21 and Mirage F1) before the spotting dot and others overlap visibility (MiG-19, AV-8B, F-5E, M2kC). Settings are DLSS on, Sharpening at 1.0, LOD at 2.0, and Antistropic filtering off. Posting the link as HD is processed (need to step out). You may need to wait a few for a clearer image. Posting a screenshot of your settings page would be better, but that's pretty compelling evidence of the issues. That's a great video. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev5150 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Why485 said: Posting a screenshot of your settings page would be better How? The bug report isn't for you. Edited December 15, 2023 by trev5150 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why485 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) On 12/14/2023 at 8:04 PM, trev5150 said: How? The bug report isn't for you. No, it's not for me. It's to make this as easy as possible for ED because the more guesswork they have to do to debug this the less likely it is to get fixed. I have a vested interest in seeing these bugs get fixed, and having the exact settings removes any ambiguity and ensures nothing is missed. Edited December 16, 2023 by Why485 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britchot Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 The issues I recorded above are fixed in the version released on 19.12.23. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU - Intel 8088 @ 4.77 MHz; Memory - 128KB; 360KB double-sided 5 1/4" full-height floppy disk drive; 10MB Seagate ST-412 hard drive JG-1 MiG-21bis Checklist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 52 minutes ago, Britchot said: The issues I recorded above are fixed in the version released on 19.12.23. What? Maybe you have different DCS version . In DCS Open Beta 2.9.2.49629 it wasnt touched and the dot looks like it was, the same, no any improvements. Also no any info about changes in the changelog. Placebo effect of the new I think so . Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britchot Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 7 hours ago, YoYo said: What? Maybe you have different DCS version . In DCS Open Beta 2.9.2.49629 it wasnt touched and the dot looks like it was, the same, no any improvements. Also no any info about changes in the changelog. Placebo effect of the new I think so . The dots are there and the same, yes. I'm referring to the disappearing LODs for MiG-21 and F1 that I posted a video on. It no longer happens with Anisotropic Filtering OFF. With it set to x16 they still disappear. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] CPU - Intel 8088 @ 4.77 MHz; Memory - 128KB; 360KB double-sided 5 1/4" full-height floppy disk drive; 10MB Seagate ST-412 hard drive JG-1 MiG-21bis Checklist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Britchot said: The dots are there and the same, yes. I'm referring to the disappearing LODs for MiG-21 and F1 that I posted a video on. It no longer happens with Anisotropic Filtering OFF. With it set to x16 they still disappear. Ahh ok, some LOD could be changed however this „big dot issue” is present still, we have to wait for the fix still. 1 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAIPAN_ Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 19 hours ago, Britchot said: The dots are there and the same, yes. I'm referring to the disappearing LODs for MiG-21 and F1 that I posted a video on. It no longer happens with Anisotropic Filtering OFF. With it set to x16 they still disappear. That's no good, almost everyone uses Anisotropic 16x because it's very low performance cost. Pimax Crystal VR & Simpit User | Ryzen CPU & Nvidia RTX GPU | Some of my mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarowa Posted December 30, 2023 Author Share Posted December 30, 2023 I tried using the new option to turn off the larger dots and revert to the smaller dots. I experienced exactly the same issue with dots disappearing based on where I look or my zoom level. (see Item 2 in the original post) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Not solved, still the dot is present after the first Unified Version patch (example of maximum range - big dot in VR still): Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Why485 Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 5 minutes ago, YoYo said: Not solved, still the dot is present after the first Unified Version patch (example of maximum range - big dot in VR still): Can you post this test mission? That's a very specific lighting and altitude/aspect setup that I'd like to add to my battery of spotting tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 Just now, Why485 said: Can you post this test mission? That's a very specific lighting and altitude/aspect setup that I'd like to add to my battery of spotting tests. Nothing special , I just put myself and my opponent in the editor, 10:00. Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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