F-4E Phantom II Development Update and Release Delay Announcement

[LorenLuke]

3 hours ago, Migparts said:

However, it is still a loosing game, because you may recover the pre order money, but you have lost so much time hoping and anticipating a product that hasn’t been made available yet. 

I guarantee you won't lose any more time preordering it and waiting, compared to waiting for it to drop and buying it then.

[ivo]

38 minutes ago, Johnny Dioxin said:

Well there's certainly a lot of opera over this phantom!

it will certainly be an excellent product of which I'm sure, it's the marketing that needs to be reviewed

[felixx75]

Why would anyone who wants the Phantom want a refund? There is absolutely no doubt that the module will be released. So why should I buy after the release when you can save a few percent before?
And if someone isn't sure whether they want the Phantom at all, they shouldn't pre-order any modules.
It takes longer? So what? The module has no expiration date.
We're not little kids here who stamp their foot and say "but I want..." (although some do)

[MAXsenna]

Well there's certainly a lot of opera over this phantom!

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[Migparts]

Now, we all know the concept of pre orders - a buyer pays in the hope that one day the product will be released by the developers. 
 

Imagine an alternative reality, where we have the concept of pre-releases  - a developer supplies a product for free to the buyers in the hope that one day the buyers would release the funds. (A kind of donationware)
 

 

[Backwards]

35 minutes ago, Migparts said:

Imagine an alternative reality, where we have the concept of pre-releases  - a developer supplies a product for free to the buyers in the hope that one day the buyers would release the funds. (A kind of donationware)
 

 

That's how shareware kinda worked back in the days

[bfr]

1 hour ago, Backwards said:

That's how shareware kinda worked back in the days

And kind of how the DCS trial system works now, albeit its pretty much never available for fresh off the press releases.

[ThorBrasil]

https://discord.com/channels/1071433028045377637/1108849721566576671/1235044430931689522

[freehand]

17 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

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I see iron maiden before Bruce Dickinson joined the band.

[MAXsenna]

I see iron maiden before Bruce Dickinson joined the band.

You've seen Paul on stage? That's pretty cool!

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[freehand]

57 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

You've seen Paul on stage? That's pretty cool!

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Yep about 60 miles from me near chrome on the coast in UK I was more of motorhead man myself the days of Lemmy,Animal,eddie  fist time was on the Bomber tour believe it or not at the same place.

[ThorBrasil]

https://discord.com/channels/1071433028045377637/1108849721566576671/1235294684914520205

[ricktoberfest]

19 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

https://discord.com/channels/1071433028045377637/1108849721566576671/1235294684914520205

Tl:dr?  For those of us who don’t use discord 

[AdrianL]

4 minutes ago, ricktoberfest said:

Tl:dr?  For those of us who don’t use discord 

They posted a new screenshot. Thats it

[ECTAE]

Kola Map -> May 3th

OH-58D -> End of May or beginning of June

SW Afganistan ->June (end?)

CH-47F ->June 26th

 

Where do I put the F-4E? Last time I saw a post they said May 31 as last day...

 

Edited May 2, 2024 by ECTAE

[AdrianL]

10 minutes ago, ECTAE said:

Where do I put the F-4E?

End May, based on info available

[hermes7226]

1 час назад, ECTAE сказал:

Kola Map -> May 3th

OH-58D -> End of May or beginning of June

SW Afganistan ->June (end?)

CH-47F ->June 26th

 

Where do I put the F-4E? Last time I saw a post they said May 31 as last day...

 

 

It would be better if Phantom came out in mid/late July, or early August. So that you can safely try out all the modules.  

[LorenLuke]

35 minutes ago, hermes7226 said:

It would be better if Phantom came out in mid/late July, or early August. So that you can safely try out all the modules.  

There's nothing stopping you from trying all of them safely even if it comes out on May 31st.

Unless your wife and/or loan sharks are tracking your purchase history.

[felixx75]

29 minutes ago, LorenLuke said:

There's nothing stopping you from trying all of them safely even if it comes out on May 31st.

Unless your wife and/or loan sharks are tracking your purchase history.

This is true even if all modules were released on the same day 

1 hour ago, hermes7226 said:

It would be better if Phantom came out in mid/late July, or early August. So that you can safely try out all the modules.  

No, May 31st at the latest would be great.

[Jacknemo]

1 hour ago, hermes7226 said:

It would be better if Phantom came out in mid/late July, or early August. So that you can safely try out all the modules.  

I'm sure you'll get your wish.  A release of the F-4 in late summer/early fall is probable based on HB's track record with this product.

[Zimmerdylan]

  Some of us here have been around a long time and know how all of this works. We have gone through broken promises, broken AC, products that never got finished, and of course there was the Hawk debacle. Remember the Hawk and that big mess guys? After all of these incidents, I never speculate, nor bother whining about any of this nonsense because you may as well shoot a dead horse who lost his hearing aides. They got your $$$, you agreed to the terms, now live with it. Go play with all of the other toys in your box because crying over this one will get you a whole lot of nothing. 

[felixx75]

2 hours ago, Jacknemo said:

I'm sure you'll get your wish.  A release of the F-4 in late summer/early fall is probable based on HB's track record with this product.

 

[fjacobsen]

As such I have nothing against pre-ordering, but it is now exactly 7 month since I pre-ordered the Phantom.

Maybe it´s me - but I find that it´s too long time from pre-ordering to release.

[kega76]

Agree. It’s stretching my understanding of the concept. Bought the double pack so my kid could have one for Christmas, now his birthday is coming up… I’m out of sync. Next time a software company asks me to invest in their business I’ll think twice about the matter. I thought better of Heatblur, than the Razbam show, but I was wrong. Old saying: don’t sell the fur before you’ve shot the bear. They did indeed sell the fur, and the bear ran away.

Edited May 3, 2024 by kega76

[Panny]

1 minute ago, kega76 said:

Agree. It’s stretching my understanding of the concept. Bought the double pack so my kid could have one for Christmas, now his birthday is coming up… I’m out of sync. Next time a software company asks me to invest in their business I’ll think twice about the matter. I thought better of Heatblur, than the Razbam show, but I was wrong. Old saying: don’t sell the fur before you’ve shot the bear. That’s what they did.

 

You're not investing in their business you're pre-ordering a product? They didn't ask you either - you as a consumer opted into it. 

There's multiple screenshots from HB reiterating the deadline to be no later than 31/05 after explaining in good detail why they had to push it back. I'm sure we'll all be very pleased with the product as and when it comes.

 

On a personal note, and not excusing anything, but I have yet to know of a 3rd party flight sim product of any platform that wasn't delayed in some capacity unless they withheld the release date and dropped it on people's laps out of nowhere. In my teen years I would stupidly scrape around the forums nearly every day to see if there was a glimmer of an update or some piece of information which meant I would daily wait for a product that was 3-4 years out and get annoyed about it for no reason. Including other 3rd party products for FSX/P3D that in the end after 4 years of development never actually released in the end; which sucked because I dumped so much hype into it. I eventually realised that I was more interested in having the toy rather than playing with what I have already. There's tons of stuff in DCS already and I absolutely reject the notion that anyone has completed DCS and extracted all possible fun gameplay from it, in which the only way to breathe new life into it is with another plane. It's best to try and put it to the back of your head and enjoy what DCS offers as is.

I would also recommend staying away from all the online drama stuff. There's been a big hyping up from some negative people in the DCS community. I assure you many of these characters spend far more time on forums and Discords complaining about the game rather than actually playing the game itself. If you hang around a lot of these negative communities, you could end up focussing on really negative stuff(at the expense of everything else) and tarnishing your own experience of just enjoying the game. I made that mistake a few years ago, and it was only when I got out of these complaining communities I stopped caring about release, or every comment a dev or community manager made and engaging in festering conspiracies, and shockingly I started playing DCS more and experimenting with the fun stuff(and would you believe it - the game is a lot more fun now). DCS as a game feels a lot more pleasant to me to play now. No point complaining too much about things we can't control, and for what we can control make the best of it.