waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Oban]

29 minutes ago, Slippa said:

Cheers for letting us know here. Nothing officially and promises are subject to change so we’ll see I s’pose?

Mine’s fixed already. No hassle, sensibly released and fully working. Very decent. 

It WAS announced officially on the previous page

[Horns]

6 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Where's my badge?! I'll pay 50$ if it's embroidered!
Anyone up for designing one?

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Can I preorder?

Edit: Shut up and take my money!

Edited July 6, 2024 by Horns

[MAXsenna]

Can I preorder?

Absolutely!

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[Blazkovitch]

5 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Absolutely!

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But only in Early Access. On Release only half of the badge and in 256 colors..

[MAXsenna]

But only in Early Access. On Release only half of the badge and in 256 colors..

By the end of EA, you will receive the whole badge, while we estimate that in 2030, you can pre-order an upgrade package with 1024 colours.

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[Ignition]

2 hours ago, falcon_120 said:

If its of any meaning whatsoever , i will just say i really appreciate the work you've put into this project, i love the videos and tutorials you've created e out of this bird and i admire the realism you've managed to inspire in this module and in particular in the radar implementation.

If the F15e just not receive any more work from now on but its kept alive in its current state it is already amazing and worth any penny.

Thank you sir. I owe you a beer or two if i ever meet you in person :).

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I agree, @Notso did an amazing job showing how the things work IRL and showing some techniques. You can't see much of these stuff on DCS and I appreciate it a lot. He's a reference for me on discord, when I had to know something specific that it wasn't in the manual or how it is IRL I searched for his comments there, and watched his videos.

The F-15E has an amazing simulation of the AA and AG radar and also the TGP, plus it has a functioning IFF and it is very well integrated in the AA radar. It's VERY good when flying in multicrew and its a shame this great aircraft is suffering from all this. Razbam were doing GREAT things for this aircraft and more than worthy in DCS.

Personally I'm waiting for the resume in development to go back to this incredible aircraft. In the meantime I'm dedicated to the AH-64D which is another great aircraft but a totally different mission.

[exhausted]

On 7/3/2024 at 2:40 PM, Oban said:

doesn't matter what feels ethical/morally, it's the fine print in the contract.

Electric cars and mobile phones call for the mining of lithium, for their batteries, which have been proven to be mined by children according to amnesty international, but people still by them, is that ethically and morally the right thing to do? 

Not a good comparison at all, and ranting outside the issue on personal values topics. What you may not know is contract law is largely built around what is not in the written word of the contract.

[Oban]

26 minutes ago, exhausted said:

Not a good comparison at all, and ranting outside the issue on personal values topics. What you may not know is contract law is largely built around what is not in the written word of the contract.

LOL.. of course it is, when nothing is written, and it's merely one persons word against another... with zero evidence it was part of said contract.

Contracts have to be watertight in order not to exploit loopholes and "gentlemans" agreements.

Morality and ethics... hmmmm you mean like playing a game where you get to drop bombs on locations, whilst those locations in the real world innocent people are dying ?

Or do you mean slective ethics and morality ?

[exhausted]

8 minutes ago, Oban said:

LOL.. of course it is, when nothing is written, and it's merely one persons word against another... with zero evidence it was part of said contract.

Contracts have to be watertight in order not to exploit loopholes and "gentlemans" agreements.

Morality and ethics... hmmmm you mean like playing a game where you get to drop bombs on locations, whilst those locations in the real world innocent people are dying ?

Or do you mean slective ethics and morality ?

No, no, no. You've missed the mark entirely, just like the bombing campaigns you are ranting about.

Contract law is as much about what is written as it is what is not written. While parole evidence is often refuted with the rules about the four corners of the contracts, the truth about damages, mitigation, foreseeability and other peripheral issues require tribunals to at least see what is not written. Add to that the rules and enforcement provisions sometimes apply only in some jurisdictions, and supposed requirements to either go into arbitration or be subject to the rules of one forum but not others, and you have indeed triggered the need to look at facts and factors outside the written word of a contract.   

Ethics and intent indeed matter since both sides are claiming the contract broke down and each is likely operating outside its provisions. Because the actions of each party, but for different reasons, they probably have each broken parts of the agreement and now everything could be in play, depending on the forum rules. 

Edited July 6, 2024 by exhausted

[Oban]

22 minutes ago, exhausted said:

No, no, no. You've missed the mark entirely, just like the bombing campaigns you are ranting about.

Contract law is as much about what is written as it is what is not written. While parole evidence is often refuted with the rules about the four corners of the contracts, the truth about damages, mitigation, foreseeability and other peripheral issues require tribunals to at least see what is not written. Add to that the rules and enforcement provisions sometimes apply only in some jurisdictions, and supposed requirements to either go into arbitration or be subject to the rules of one forum but not others, and you have indeed triggered the need to look at facts and factors outside the written word of a contract.   

Ethics and intent indeed matter since both sides are claiming the contract broke down and each is likely operating outside its provisions. Because the actions of each party, but for different reasons, they probably have each broken parts of the agreement and now everything could be in play, depending on the forum rules. 

 

I think we can both agree that the current situation isn't ideal, and there's no simple "quick fix" that allow both parties to keep some sort of face.

I doubt there's anything going to happen until the 3rd quarter at a minimum.

[exhausted]

32 minutes ago, Oban said:

I think we can both agree that the current situation isn't ideal, and there's no simple "quick fix" that allow both parties to keep some sort of face.

I doubt there's anything going to happen until the 3rd quarter at a minimum.

It is not ideal and maybe it is a sign of extreme stupidity of the first person who got a lawyer involved, who thought, "you know what would be better than sorting this out to leave most of the contract in tact and elevate the reputation of our operation? -- how about we hire a team of lawyers to fight the other side, so that it takes longer and leads to unpredictable results unsatisfying to all but a court." By looking for a legal solution, they threw everything up in their air, and hired complete outsiders to reorganize it all. 

They needed to weigh their best alternatives to making a resolution, and decide which outcome would help them most. Now, it could end up being a zero sum game with destructive results. Call off the lawyers, make the deal in writing and show the community that the DCS brand will not die of strategic blundering.

Edited July 6, 2024 by exhausted

[Oban]

14 minutes ago, exhausted said:

It is not ideal and maybe it is a sign of extreme stupidity of the first person who got a lawyer involved, who thought, "you know what would be better than sorting this out to leave most of the contract in tact and elevate the reputation of our operation? -- how about we hire a team of lawyers to fight the other side, so that it takes longer and leads to unpredictable results unsatisfying to all but a court." By looking for a legal solution, they threw everything up in their air, and hired complete outsiders to reorganize it all. 

They needed to weigh their best alternatives to making a resolution, and decide which outcome would help them most. Now, it could end up being a zero sum game with destructive results. Call off the lawyers, make the deal in writing and show the community that the DCS brand will not die of strategic blundering.

 

I think there's more chance of me being an astronaut than lawyers being called off, and an amicable solution being accomplished

[exhausted]

2 minutes ago, Oban said:

I think there's more chance of me being an astronaut than lawyers being called off, and an amicable solution being accomplished

Sunken costs are just one of the drawbacks of misstepping when they could have resolved it. I don't think the resolution is going to be a solution. Avoidable? Probably, but the door is open and litigation is more likely than it was before they 'pulled the trigger'. 

[Slippa]

9 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

To be fair. They did tell us in the Newsletter yesterday.

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Oh very dear. - I apologise profusely, somehow I skimmed it. Hands up, cheers for putting me straight. 

[Notso]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:42 AM, Oban said:

So you know the monthly sales revenue generated by the Razbam modules then?

Other than the F15E, what other modules are affected, because last time I looked, all the other Razbam products were allegedly OUT of early access, in other words complete.

Greed, for $80 a pop ? The monthly sales generated by ED to be classed as greedy, in my view, would have to surpass all their monthly overheads. And I highly doubt that's happening.

You're aware that all business plans work on ROI's right? ED's business plan doesn't have to be to your liking, you're a consumer of their FREE base product, nobody forced you to buy other addons, you buy those through clever marketing and promotions. ED hasn't put a gun to your head, and yet you seem to want to put a gun to theirs?

 

You're honestly NOT helping ED's cause.  Just saying....

[Notso]

On 7/5/2024 at 4:08 PM, wombat778 said:

I keep seeing people saying there needs to be a disclaimer and that they are looking out for new users.  But I don’t believe I have actually seen any major outcry from new users saying they bought without being aware of the issues.  Does it really make sense to spend a lot of energy (and potentially inflame the legal situation ED/Razbam) solving a hypothetical problem — one which ED could also probably deal with on a case by basis if it ever arises?

Not hypothetical at all.  This was just this week:

[freehand]

His first module he bought so what mods did he have before I wonder as he removed them from what ?

edit: reading more he's had the module 2 weeks ago so must of added some mods.

Edited July 7, 2024 by freehand

[Slippa]

I assumed there would’ve been a disclaimer of sorts when this kicked off as well.

Firstly, for potential customers, so they know the state of affairs and what they’re buying into and second, for ED to safeguard against any of those customers complaints, if and when they had any due to the situation. I thought it’d show ED in a better light too. Giving it a bit of thought though, messing with the way the products were advertised and are sold could be messing with some part of a contract and all that jazz so best left as is? 

Since it’s obviously not being resolved any time soon, particularly if lawyers are involved and can coin it in, things will likely stay as they are re any disclaimers?

just an opinion, I dunno any more than anyone else.

All the talk of Asteroids reminded me of the Don’t Look Up film. Given it’s July and we’re having to put the heating on instead of wandering about in summer gear I think an Asteroid ridding the Planet of the destructive force of humanity, while not a cheery thing, wouldn’t necessarily be a bad one. For the Planet o course.  It’s not as if we can behave ourselves.

On a brighter note, I have to add my thanks for all the work everyone put into the F-15. The build, the training bits, the whole lot. It is a shame this sours the sweetness of what it should and could be. It’s a blast.

‘Come back everyone, all is forgiven’.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Notso said:

Not hypothetical at all.  This was just this week:

Thank you. While one person doesn’t constitute a major outcry, it’s still not ideal. If that person wants a refund, I’d suggest (s)he contact ED.  If the request is denied (or forced into store credit) then I would be more inclined to agree it’s a problem. 

[Oban]

2 hours ago, Notso said:

You're honestly NOT helping ED's cause.  Just saying....

LOL Sorry, but somehow I can't see how an ordinary customer can have any effect on ED's cause, especially one with zero connections to ED.

 

[BIGNEWY]

Folks I have deleted some posts calling people names and the quotes of the post, if you want to be rude post somewhere else, it is not welcome here and you will be moderated.

[Oban]

Well at least Nick Greys end of the year video should be "interesting"

[Bonz]

The F-15E is unfinished and has a few issues... What's the latest with resolving issues?

 

[BIGNEWY]

9 hours ago, Bonz said:

The F-15E is unfinished and has a few issues... What's the latest with resolving issues?

 

Hi, please read the first post in this thread. 

There will be a fix for the radar issue in the next patch. 

thank you 

[NineLine]

On 7/6/2024 at 8:28 PM, wombat778 said:

Thank you. While one person doesn’t constitute a major outcry, it’s still not ideal. If that person wants a refund, I’d suggest (s)he contact ED.  If the request is denied (or forced into store credit) then I would be more inclined to agree it’s a problem. 

Generally, within 14 days of purchase, we will refund the method of payment.