waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Snappy]

1 minute ago, Horns said:

Is this announcement recent, and if so are you sure it's for DCS and not MSFS? I do remember them announcing they would do the 2k-5 for DCS, but that was some years ago...

 

It’s not for DCS, see above link by mirmidon

[Horns]

1 minute ago, Snappy said:

It’s not for DCS, see above link by mirmidon

Indeed, I added an edit to that point. The other post must have been posted while I was getting mine together.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Sniped !!!

[LordOrion]

1 hour ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

Its impossible to hide this forever. Internet is doorless. 

Sooner or later everything will be known

Do you know something we don't ?

[Esac_mirmidon]

Just wait and see

[Dallenbach]

vor 57 Minuten schrieb Esac_mirmidon:

By the time that comes out we're all dead and gone. *lol* There's no proper platform for it yet.

[ebabil]

I have zero hope this problem will ever be solved. My only expectation is DCS will save the modules for good.

I am not thinking of buying 3rd party planes anymore, maybe only from HB

[scommander2]

11 minutes ago, ebabil said:

I am not thinking of buying 3rd party planes anymore, maybe only from HB

I concur, HB has delivered their promises so far. 

[LordOrion]

2 hours ago, ESA_maligno said:

Well, it's great news that Razbam is redeveloping the M2000-5; taking into account that there is no environment similar to DCSW to sell it..., unless the announcement to the general public has been the product for Ad'A that no user will be able to use it. In my case I am inclined to believe that the agreement is close.

They are still in business?

I feel relieved: many users swore that without ED's money at Razbam they were in serious trouble! There were reports of people seen medicating on the street...

Spoiler

Yes, I was sarcastic.

 

[LordOrion]

2 hours ago, Esac_mirmidon said:

Just wait and see

I'm waiting since the began of this mess, and in the meantime I heard a lot of nonsenses: You can also stop being mysterious, one more or one less makes no difference.

33 minutes ago, ebabil said:

I have zero hope this problem will ever be solved. My only expectation is DCS will save the modules for good.

Keeping my finger crossed for any "good-ending" solution.

And If we get a "bad ending", well, I think I will enjoy AV-8B, M200C and F-15E as long as they continue to work in DCS while looking forward for some new module... The EF-2000 as an example.

33 minutes ago, ebabil said:

I am not thinking of buying 3rd party planes anymore, maybe only from HB

I won't be that drastic: I'll just stop buying Razbam stuff (including other platforms)... We'll see if it's out of obligation or choice

Edited December 3, 2024 by LordOrion

[Oban]

8 minutes ago, scommander2 said:

I concur, HB has delivered their promises so far. 

90% of the 3rd party developers have delivered,  including Razbam, and I don't understand this concept of using the word "promise" nowhere in anyones terms and conditions or EULA uses the word "promise" it's a word used by consumers to feel they're entitled.

ED roadmap for 2024 and their 1st newsletter for 2024 doesn't promise anything, it states that the year looks promising, nowhere have they ever said " we promise that you will have X, Y or Z"

Love or hate them, ED have delivered according to their January newsletter.

Every 3rd party developer has similar roadmaps, buy not buying their products you're not hurting ED, you're hurting the developer, if sales are down, and overheads are up, then cost cutting starts to take place, and manpower is one of the first areas to be reduced... you reduce the manpower, then the roadmap time frame gets longer. Then the consumer bitches and moans about products not nearing completion.

If you're wanting to sing HB's praises, then where's the A6E? Showcased 2 years ago, their carrier still doesn't have rotating props, has issues with one of it's cats being underpowered..the last 2 are simple lua edits and 3d model edits that would take 30 mins tops to fix...

The people that want to see ED crash and burn fail to see that there's nothing out there that comes remotely close to what DCS world offers.. prove me wrong.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

13 hours ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

And you believe CptSmiley why?

My question is 'why is he still associating with RB?'

They didn't pay him, it's been WELL established that it is RB's responsibility to pay employees since that's how things work, so I'd be long gone in his shoes.

Yeah, unless it's from Ron or someone from ED, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

1 hour ago, Oban said:

The people that want to see ED crash and burn fail to see that there's nothing out there that comes remotely close to what DCS world offers.. prove me wrong.

They'll point out a certain one that just got an independent F-15C flight model.

To which, I reply "cool, hit me up when I got that same thing for an F-4, MiG-21, Viggen, Hind, Apache, etc."

[Oban]

2 minutes ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

They'll point out a certain one that just got an independent F-15C flight model.

Yeah, on a very outdated graphics engine..

[MAXsenna]

Yeah, on a very outdated graphics engine..

Which will be updated in the future, and a new terrain mode is incoming.
I fly both. It's fun to see the difference in simulation of the various systems.

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[MiG21bisFishbedL]

19 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Which will be updated in the future, and a new terrain mode is incoming.
I fly both. It's fun to see the difference in simulation of the various systems.

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Yeah, no disrespect meant. It's an accomplishment, for sure.

[MAXsenna]

Yeah, no disrespect meant. It's an accomplishment, for sure.

Oh, never took it at as such.
I'm just making banter.

OT: The upgraded F-5 will be in the patch. Have a look in the store.

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[nessuno0505]

1 ora fa, MiG21bisFishbedL ha scritto:

They'll point out a certain one that just got an independent F-15C flight model.

To which, I reply "cool, hit me up when I got that same thing for an F-4, MiG-21, Viggen, Hind, Apache, etc."

 

1 ora fa, Oban ha scritto:

Yeah, on a very outdated graphics engine..

 

With very few bugs, a dynamic campaign, a proper ATC, a working AI, and so on.

Hit me up when I got that same things on DCS.

 

P.S. I love DCS, but it's not the only one.

[Mike Force Team]

Lack of open, meaningful, and timely updates is not effective in maintaining customers' expectations. 

I find it peculiar there is no true resolution after approximately six months.

[nessuno0505]

In any case, I sincerely hope that razbam does not go to sully other simulation environments: they have already done enough damage here on DCS.

[rob10]

7 minutes ago, Mike Force Team said:

Lack of open, meaningful, and timely updates is not effective in maintaining customers' expectations. 

I find it peculiar there is no true resolution after approximately six months.

It's likely a legal dispute now.  If it goes to court 6 years would be speedy, 6 months hardly gets the paperwork done to start the process.

And I'll ask again: specifically what updates do people want from ED (or Razbam for that matter)?  It's with the lawyers and I can guarantee they are saying keep it zipped.  And if they weren't what would there be to share anyway?  No one seems able to provide an answer to that.

[msi1411]

1 hour ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

My question is 'why is he still associating with RB?'

They didn't pay him, it's been WELL established that it is RB's responsibility to pay employees since that's how things work, so I'd be long gone in his shoes.

Razbam doesn't operate like that, it's a common misconception.

CptSmiley and the others get a direct share of the sales from the modules. Ron doesn't touch their money at any point afaik. It's basically a team of different devs working together on a project under a common name.

[Ignition]

3 hours ago, ebabil said:

I have zero hope this problem will ever be solved. My only expectation is DCS will save the modules for good.

I am not thinking of buying 3rd party planes anymore, maybe only from HB

I'm afraid this can happen again with any other 3rd party. I will stay away from other module makers.
The only module I may get is the A-6E if its the SWIP version, and ONLY that version.

[freehand]

47 minutes ago, msi1411 said:

 Ron doesn't touch their money at any point afaik. 

Well which is it ? just more speculations.

[Pipe]

2 hours ago, MiG21bisFishbedL said:

They'll point out a certain one that just got an independent F-15C flight model.

To which, I reply "cool, hit me up when I got that same thing for an F-4, MiG-21, Viggen, Hind, Apache, etc."

Which had a dynamic campaign from day 1

[Mizzy]

1 hour ago, Ignition said:

I'm afraid this can happen again with any other 3rd party. I will stay away from other module makers.
The only module I may get is the A-6E if its the SWIP version, and ONLY that version.

So, do other 'module makers' have a dispute with ED over IP infringement? I will answer that for you, they don't.

"The only module I may get is the A-6E if its the SWIP version, and ONLY that version" So does every 3rd Party developer only get your endorsement if they only develop what you personally want in DCS?

Shake your head, it may help you reach reality.

Mizzy