Spotting state of DCS 2.9.8.1107

[draconus]

How do you like the change since 30th September update?

Edited November 24, 2024 by draconus

[Pillowcat]

Voting from the category "There are two chairs ..."

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Not being able to turn off those huge blobs is quite annoying...

[Gun Jam]

This poll doesn't seem exhaustive enough.  With reverb g2 things seemed best before they messed with anything.

Right now the dots are too large but this system does seem to work better as it transition from a dot to a model. Previously The dots would be too large and then the larger model was very hard to spot maybe because of the way the dot changed. I could only spot well if the target was more than 10 miles out (but that might have been 2 updates ago) In the last update I think the dots were more reasonable but the system was still best in my case before it was messed with 

 

[draconus]

1 hour ago, Gun Jam said:

This poll doesn't seem exhaustive enough. 

It's enough to prove a point which is the update was generally bad for majority and it makes most players unhappy with the spotting, additionally leaving us without the options. This was the goal of this poll.

[Parabe11um]

This seems like a great way to get some biased data.

Are we talking 2D or VR?

If 2D what res?

If VR what headset and what settings?

What specific aspects of spotting are we talking about?

Max range of spotting? Dot size? Dot size in terms of immersion? Dots in terms of the shift from dots to no dots?

[Why485]

For 2D, nothing changed, so for a 2D user I'm okay with it (very flawed, but they are passable), so none of the options really work for me either. It would have made more sense to add more options or to specify that this was VR focused, since I think those are the responses you're really after.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Why485

[draconus]

No further details are needed. Questions are simple and so are the answers. No one is forcing you to vote. Thank you.

[Why485]

6 minutes ago, draconus said:

No further details are needed. Questions are simple and so are the answers. No one is forcing you to vote. Thank you.

You have to already know that a bad poll like this is going to produce inaccurate results, right?

The worst thing I could do is actually vote in your poll, because it's not even going to give the answer you're looking for. It's poorly thought out on multiple levels.

Edited October 17, 2024 by Why485

[draconus]

1 minute ago, Why485 said:

You have to already know that a bad poll like this is going to produce inaccurate results, right?

It is good enough for its goal. Feel free to move along.

[Dangerzone]

I chose BEFORE the update due to the fact that before the update users had an option to disable this option. 

[sandpatch]

Non-VR. 2560x1440 screen

It is absolutely horrible now. When the enemy is 15 NM away and I zoom out I get thses huge blobs that are hard to miss, but when I zoom in they actually become smaller and are easy to miss. But when the planes get closer they are harder to see because the blobness dissappears.

[SharpeXB]

There’s a disturbing number of people in favor of the current situation which means a solution is likely impossible.

[falconzx]

Not realistic in VR. Too big.
On screen they are fine.

[Cab]

On 10/17/2024 at 10:46 AM, draconus said:

It's enough to prove a point which is the update was generally bad for majority and it makes most players unhappy with the spotting, additionally leaving us without the options. This was the goal of this poll.

But ED does already know this and is working on a change. 

Edited October 20, 2024 by Cab

[SharpeXB]

I’m curious why there are nearly 40% in favor. Is that because:

A. In favor because they think it’s realistic. 

B. In favor because they simply like seeing dots and don’t care whether it’s realistic or how the game looks as long as it’s “fun”.

[josef]

The current model is great.

Being able to reach visual around 8-10 nautical miles is the first thing. Otherwise air combat between Cold War and WWII airplanes is basically unfeasible.
As for whether that point is aesthetically pleasing, it can be slowly adjusted later.

[draconus]

On 10/20/2024 at 3:37 AM, Cab said:

But ED does already know this and is working on a change.

And we know they know and they are working... since last year. Even when it was wrong or bad I could turn it off. But now it came to this - and I cannot do anything about it - I'm forced into blobs.

[draconus]

On 10/20/2024 at 4:05 AM, SharpeXB said:

I’m curious why there are nearly 40% in favor. Is that because:

A. In favor because they think it’s realistic. 

B. In favor because they simply like seeing dots and don’t care whether it’s realistic or how the game looks as long as it’s “fun”.

Yes, mostly these reasons - full realism is not very likable either in movies, games or even in study sims apparently. But also most monitor users are not affected in that bad way I hear. They like to easily spot the targets while keeping high fov. Some high res VR players also had problems before the patch.

[Volator]

7 hours ago, draconus said:

But also most monitor users are not affected in that bad way I hear.

Yes, correct. I'm a 2D player and for me the current system works pretty well. I have realistic (!) spotting ranges now, it's a little easier now than it was in all these years before and I am finally not losing aircraft in the near as easily as it was before. Like two years ago spotting in DCS was a nightmare for me, now it's quite ok.

Edited October 21, 2024 by Volator

[KoN]

Yes 2D is good and  VR bad .