The unofficial "2025 and Beyond" video hype / speculation & discussion thread

[bfr]

2 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

I don't even give a chance to modules that aren't full fidelity. The fun of DCS is the full fidelity modules. Doing the correct procedures, interacting with the systems. If you do something wrong the procedure doesn't work, etc. Now it's like I said. I have nothing against those who like this simplified system. 

Which is absolutely fine if your preference is 'FF or nothing', but the mix of fidelities has (fairly) happily coexisted in the overall platform already for years.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

2 hours ago, bfr said:

In fairness, we we were meant to be getting at least a Mig-23 before the big falling out between ED & Razbam.  I doubt anyone else would have a crack at it until its 100% set that there is no way back for the one that was in progress.

I have no problem with MiG-23 et al even thought I have no interest in it.

May be I get mixed up or confused by myself. Some says that Red Force is so unbalanced when Blue side gets all the cool toys. There will be a full-fi F-15C (as if the FC version was not OP enough), Red Force only has the MiG-29A upcoming (with no disrespect here, this one is Zero Day to me), there should be a MiG-23/27 to balance things out. This is where my understanding goes away.

[bfr]

Just now, VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants said:

I have no problem with MiG-23 et al even thought I have no interest in it.

May be I get mixed up or confused by myself. Some says that Red Force is so unbalanced when Blue side gets all the cool toys. There will be a full-fi F-15C (as if the FC version was not OP enough), Red Force only has the MiG-29A upcoming (with no disrespect here, this one is Zero Day to me), there should be a MiG-23/27 to balance things out. This is where my understanding goes away.

And my point was that there was going to be a Mig-23 before Razbam and ED fell out.

Overall though I do agree we could use more Red Team platforms (be that Russian jets or even more of the widely exported western ones like the earlier Mirages). Its just unfortunate that the Flogger that was some way along the line to filling that gap might well not happen now.

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

6 minutes ago, bfr said:

And my point was that there was going to be a Mig-23 before Razbam and ED fell out.

Overall though I do agree we could use more Red Team platforms (be that Russian jets or even more of the widely exported western ones like the earlier Mirages). Its just unfortunate that the Flogger that was some way along the line to filling that gap might well not happen now.

Fair enough, I agree all of your points.  I understand in many theatres, especially during the Cold War period of which I think ED should stick onto, the introduction of  planes like, SP or MP, early F-14, F-16,  MiGs and Mirages would be great fun and great use of the maps available. Just my £0.02

Edited January 17 by VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants

[Silver_Dragon]

Fair enough, I agree all of your points.  I understand in many threatens, especially during the Cold War period of which I think ED should stick onto, the introduction of these planes should make thing fun, SP or MP alike -- fighting in early F-14, F-16,  MiGs and Mirages would be great fun and great use of the maps available. Just my £0.02

Remember the red size has:
- Mig-29A by ED
- Mig-17F by Red Star Simulation
- La-7 and planned Po-2/Su-17 by Octopus-G
- J-8PP by Dekka

I dont count the disapear Razbam Mig-23

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[irisono]

My positive impressions of this "2025 and Beyond" video:
- The insights into the dynamic campaign
- Great fire and explosion effect probably generated with Vulcan features
- Scenes from the Fulda Gap map
- ED seems to be making progress in the WWII Pacific.
- Highlights: Saab 35 Draken and F-100

I am disappointed by:
- Too little Cold War content.
- E.g. no early Mig-21 types or Mig-23/27, Su-17/22, An-12 info
- Where are the Mirage III/5, Hawker Hunter, Skyraider
- No mention of the EARGES project F-104
- F-35 is unnecessary because FF will not be possible and Blue-Red-Force remains unbalanced

[Skyhammer]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb Silver_Dragon:

Remember the red size has:
- Mig-29A by ED
- Mig-17F by Red Star Simulation
- La-7 and planned Po-2/Su-17 by Octopus-G
- J-8PP by Dekka

I dont count the disapear Razbam Mig-23

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atm we HAS nothing of that, and that only 1950- to very early 80s stuff at best.... 

[ThorBrasil]

8 minutes ago, irisono said:

My positive impressions of this "2025 and Beyond" video:
- The insights into the dynamic campaign
- Great fire and explosion effect probably generated with Vulcan features
- Scenes from the Fulda Gap map
- ED seems to be making progress in the WWII Pacific.
- Highlights: Saab 35 Draken and F-100

I am disappointed by:
- Too little Cold War content.
- E.g. no early Mig-21 types or Mig-23/27, Su-17/22, An-12 info
- Where are the Mirage III/5, Hawker Hunter, Skyraider
- No mention of the EARGES project F-104
- F-35 is unnecessary because FF will not be possible and Blue-Red-Force remains unbalanced

Ismael Jorda will probably release a full video and even tutorial videos for the F-104. I hope it happens as soon as possible. I'll buy it on the first day...

My wife said she'd love to see me fly an F-104 in real life, so why does she want me to fly a real one? Just kidding!

 

 

[wilbur81]

9 hours ago, Headwarp said:

Yeah man.  I'm stoked.    This community has been begging for a full fidelity F-15C since they rolled out the red carpet for the A-10C and rebanded from Lock On to DCS World...As far as the F-35.. as long as they make me feel like its real I'm golden.   
 

Indeed. And on Fat Amy, I suppose it's perfectly feasible that a foreign-NATO customer of the 35A has contracted ED's commercial side to do some sort of MilSim as USAF did with the A10C. That would certainly open the door wider for them to consider an off the shelf civilian product. It will be interesting for sure... BUT, the Albino Charlie!

 

Edited January 17 by wilbur81

[VR Flight Guy in PJ Pants]

23 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

Remember the red size has:
- Mig-29A by ED
- Mig-17F by Red Star Simulation
- La-7 and planned Po-2/Su-17 by Octopus-G
- J-8PP by Dekka

I dont count the disapear Razbam Mig-23

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May I add MiG-15, MiG-19P, MiG-21bis, C-101 and L39? I know the last one is still in use by Ukraine, and Syria.

[Silver_Dragon]

May I add MiG-15, MiG-19P, MiG-21bis, C-101 and L39? I know the last one is still in use by Ukraine, and Syria.

Yes, previous release.

atm we HAS nothing of that, and that only 1950- to very early 80s stuff at best.... 

On develop.. by ED and 3rd parties.....

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[Czar66]

34 minutes ago, irisono said:

Great fire and explosion effect probably generated with Vulcan features

Sorry, but all the fire and explosion effects on the video are already inside the sim (they are nice indeed). Their wow factor is due to proper editing increasing their value.

The only effect in the video I'm not familiar with are the impact effects on the building from the APC cannon rounds. Maybe they are already in the sim, but I can't know for sure as I spend way too much time high up with fixed wings.

[Tom P]

Soooo when can we get sand colored farps?

[Fisu_MAD]

Great video, I'm looking forward to the dynamic campaign release. Of course within the core not as an addon.

[ThorBrasil]

8 minutes ago, Fisu_MAD said:

Great video, I'm looking forward to the dynamic campaign release. Of course within the core not as an addon.

It was said a while ago that it would be a paid DLC, the dynamic campaign, with limited features for those who don't have it.

[Repvez]

So If I understood well, this open the door that they  make more  red side AC and upgrade the FC3 AC?

Because until now ED said that they don't do anything until they don''t have a good and legal documentations for the AC. This was the claim to refuse to do  the red side . 

But the F35 doesn't have all documentation which is describe all aspect of subsystems and characteristics for make a realistic version in DCS. They can try to figure out  something similar. such as RCS, avionics symbolic, FM.

In addition they make an upgrade MIG-29 which was part of the FC3 and they clamed earlier that they don't do any upgrade on it because of the Russian law, and here we are now a full fidelity MIG29  will be done.

And they upgrade an another FC3 AC the F15C, so why not do for the all FC3 modul to upgrade on the same level ? Thus All modul would be clickable cockpit and better handling and visualization.

There are the Su27 family, the su25 and T, and also the P51D. Those are don't got any upgrade since FC3 came out, nor PBR texture upgrade nor 3d outside upgrade or cabin. They also can mimic the function like the real one like the F35 will later on. Almost all red AC use the same gauges and system so not so difficult to put in an another type and mimic the function for it. 

But at least all modul would be the same level , same game mechanics. Because now the FC modul user can make easier to engage the target than somebody who use a full fidelity modul with full clickable cockpit.

Also I am very disappointed about the damage model. every year they show us the nicer and nicer modul and maps  became more realistic looking, but the damage model remain the same since the FC3 era. All AC break up the same way, doesn't matter what was the weapon which cause the damage and where was the impact on the AC.

Can we expect that ED make an improved version for the damage modell in the near future? and also the physics because now if they lost a big portion of the fuselage they can fly without it also. I also would like to see a better ejection seat sequences from the AC. now It doesn't matter the AC position , speed and altitude , the seat can shoot out straight no behave like the real one, also doesn't matter that the seat is early version like the mig15/19, or single zero or duple zero  capable of.
If somebody asking why so important this?
Because it can be determined that the pilot survive  or not, and after the dynamic campagne ther will be counting the pilot KIA or rescued. if the pilot will survive the ejection then the dynamic engine can create a rescue mission for the pilot with one of the helicopter modul to pick up . And after that can fly another mission to the campagne.

Edited January 17 by Repvez

[MAXsenna]

May I add MiG-15, MiG-19P, MiG-21bis, C-101 and L39? I know the last one is still in use by Ukraine, and Syria.

C-101 is Spanish...

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[Bucic]

13 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

C-101 is Spanish...

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Apparently it "just looks commie"

[wilbur81]

42 minutes ago, ThorBrasil said:

It was said a while ago that it would be a paid DLC, the dynamic campaign, with limited features for those who don't have it.

As it absolutely should be. 

[MAXsenna]

It was said a while ago that it would be a paid DLC, the dynamic campaign, with limited features for those who don't have it.

Oh, I missed that. Just thought it was a rumour/wish? Source? I actually don't mind at all. Personally I think it's a good move.

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[ThorBrasil]

2 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Oh, I missed that. Just thought it was a rumour/wish? Source? I actually don't mind at all. Personally I think it's a good move.

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I remember there was a bulletin/FAQ talking only about the dynamic campaign. I looked on the forum, but I couldn't find it. That was a long time ago, but plans may have changed.

[MAXsenna]

Apparently it "just looks commie"

Yeah, its default livery is red.

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[JupiterJoe]

The F-35C is the fun version.  Why go to the trouble of modelling the F-35 without going the whole hog?  We have the Supercarrier, with its deckcrew, airboss, elevators, hangar deck, briefing room, LSO etc.  Why go the trouble of creating the infrastructure, but not the very aircraft that currently uses it?

I hope HB are working on the Navy version of the Phantom too.

 

Did any improvements to weather feature in this video?  Weather is a huge factor and effects all aircraft modules.  I thought we were going to get huge thunderclouds etc? 

Edited January 17 by JupiterJoe

[MAXsenna]

I remember there was a bulletin/FAQ talking only about the dynamic campaign. I looked on the forum, but I couldn't find it. That was a long time ago, but plans may have changed.

No problem, thanks anyway! I only remember some users suggesting it should be a paid DLC.
We'll see eventually!

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[bfr]

1 minute ago, JupiterJoe said:

The F-35C is the fun version.  Why go to the trouble of modelling the F-35 without going the whole hog?  We have the Supercarrier, with its deckcrew, airboss, briefing room, LSO etc.  Why go the trouble of creating the infra-structure, but not the very aircraft that currently uses it?  I hope HB are working on the Navy version of the Phantom too.

More naval jets of any type would be good. I presumed the next along would be the A-6 and A-7 (and logical with the stuff we already have in the game) but have heard a worryingly small amount about either in recent times.

I think Heatblur said a naval Phantom add-on would happen but wanted to get other things sorted first.