A multirole fighter for the Russians?

[zick74l]

Is it possible that we get a russian multirole fighter one day? something like a early version of the SU 30? maybe FC?

 

The Red Team cant use planes that can drop laser guided Bombs for example.  

 

Would be nice seeing somthing in the future. #moreloveforsukoi

[Silver_Dragon]

Is it possible that we get a russian multirole fighter one day? something like a early version of the SU 30? maybe FC?
 
The Red Team cant use planes that can drop laser guided Bombs for example.  
 
Would be nice seeing somthing in the future. #moreloveforsukoi

Actualy has none plans by ED.

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[sirrah]

1 hour ago, zick74l said:

Is it possible that we get a russian multirole fighter one day? something like a early version of the SU 30? maybe FC?

 

The Red Team cant use planes that can drop laser guided Bombs for example.  

 

Would be nice seeing somthing in the future. #moreloveforsukoi

MiG-29 is in the making by ED.

No details yet on available loadout.

 

If you want more full fidelity Russian aircraft, you might have to convince uncle Putin to declassify data

 

[zick74l]

Maybe Uncle Putin shouldn't be so stingy with the classified Data

 

Jea i know about the mit 29 but i think IT will be the A version so it will be normal bombs and fox 1. Don't get me wrong i will buy it bc i Love the look of russian Planes but for the fun it would be cool If somthing Like the su30 or su34 comes in. Something faster then the su25. Someting that can use anti-radiation missles in the russian Side (i know su25 can use that)

 

 

[Tomas9970]

If I remember correctly, every project of a Russian or Soviet aircraft for DCS developed by ED has to be checked by the Russian department of defense and if it doesn't get approved, ED can't make it without facing serious legal trouble. However this doesn't apply to third-parties that don't have ties to Russia so they can still make Russian planes if there's enough available info.

 

Only exception is the Su-57 that was explicitly forbiden by ED.

 

Though things may have changed since I last heard this.

[dudeman17]

There's been little news lately but i believe there was an Su-17/22 hinted at or announced at one point.. 

Razbam mig-23 would also have limited AG abilities if an agreement comes through. 

 

sorry nothing certain at this point... 

[Gunfreak]

Russians can barely make anything called multirole now.  Let a lone 70s and 80s soviet stuff. Ability to do air to air and drop bomb does not a multirole aircraft make. If that's the case then the Sopwith Camel is a multirole fighter.

[Tank50us]

The main issue that ED or a third party would face is access to accurate data on the capabilities.

An example of this in action is how the Russians touted that their S400 systems could see stealth aircraft and intercept them. In reality, the ones used by Iran were all bypassed and the things they were protecting hit by IDF F-35Is with impunity. They've also had trouble detecting UAF fighters and helicopters flying at low altitude during that fiasco. So, this could mean that the capabilities of that system may have been greatly exadurated. And it that's the case with that system, what else has been given the UCS treatment?

The reason the Mig29A is being modeled is because ED technically has access to a number of them from East Germany, and documents from both the US Navy and the Luftwaffe. And since the only functional difference between the A and G is the language and units in the cockpit, it's easier to make a module. If the invasion didn't happen, Ukraine may have been able to offer up their Su27s to other countries when they inevitably went to buy something new, and ED or a TP would've had access to get more data without having to go through the Russian Federation.

Right now the best hope for the aircraft would be an 'educated guess' module that can be adjusted as new information gets released, but considering how loud the bolt counters here can get, I wouldn't count on it.

[upyr1]

14 hours ago, zick74l said:

Is it possible that we get a russian multirole fighter one day? something like a early version of the SU 30? maybe FC?

The closest thing I could see us getting to the Su-30 would be the community module, as we don't have enough information 

14 hours ago, zick74l said:

The Red Team cant use planes that can drop laser guided Bombs for example.  

 

Would be nice seeing something in the future. #moreloveforsukoi

The Flanker is off the table, however the SU-17, and Su-22 have both been announced and we might be able to get enough information for an early Su-24 and MiG-27. As much as I would love an up to date Flanker of Fulcrum I don't think it will happen however the Fitter, Fencer and Flogger would fill in gaps for historic missions 

[zick74l]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb upyr1:

The closest thing I could see us getting to the Su-30 would be the community module, as we don't have enough information 

The Flanker is off the table, however the SU-17, and Su-22 have both been announced and we might be able to get enough information for an early Su-24 and MiG-27. As much as I would love an up to date Flanker of Fulcrum I don't think it will happen however the Fitter, Fencer and Flogger would fill in gaps for historic missions 

Jea i know that mod, Love the Work they put into this and Love to fligh it. 

 

But it dont have to be that modern (i would Love If its possible) some early Versions would be perfekt. 

 

Ther are a lots of Potential out ther i would Love to see in dcs. Like a gripen A version or a su 34 

 

It would be cool for the immersion If some more russian fighters would come in the game. Maybe it will only remain a dream but i will thinking positiv about this

[Gunfreak]

14 hours ago, Tank50us said:

The main issue that ED or a third party would face is access to accurate data on the capabilities.

An example of this in action is how the Russians touted that their S400 systems could see stealth aircraft and intercept them. In reality, the ones used by Iran were all bypassed and the things they were protecting hit by IDF F-35Is with impunity. They've also had trouble detecting UAF fighters and helicopters flying at low altitude during that fiasco. So, this could mean that the capabilities of that system may have been greatly exadurated. And it that's the case with that system, what else has been given the UCS treatment?

The reason the Mig29A is being modeled is because ED technically has access to a number of them from East Germany, and documents from both the US Navy and the Luftwaffe. And since the only functional difference between the A and G is the language and units in the cockpit, it's easier to make a module. If the invasion didn't happen, Ukraine may have been able to offer up their Su27s to other countries when they inevitably went to buy something new, and ED or a TP would've had access to get more data without having to go through the Russian Federation.

Right now the best hope for the aircraft would be an 'educated guess' module that can be adjusted as new information gets released, but considering how loud the bolt counters here can get, I wouldn't count on it.

All weapons systems in DCS tend to over preform. When you have to build missiles from public info (so basically the manufacturers infomercial ) they will do better then real life. If ED had to make the Cybertruck just on what Musk/Tesla says. It would be far better then it really is.

[bies]

On 12/17/2024 at 6:32 PM, zick74l said:

If somthing Like the su30 or su34 comes in

Original Soviet Su-27S from late 1980s is impossible to model right now. Maybe some time in the future? Only time will tell.  Su-30 or Su-34 are absolutely beyound any reach for DCS, even in the future. Except for amateur-made MODs with fictional avionics, flight model, systems, weapons etc. - made just for fun.

[F-2]

Su-30MKK or MK2. Apparently documentation is starting to wind up in collectors hands. Deka apparently has plans to revisit it after J-8.

 

Mig-29smt. Radar manual has been out in public for the last nine years or so. The Yemeni SMT is just a 9.12 with zhuk, two MFD, and an off the self nav system, no UFC like other SMT.

either of those are fairly plausible 

 

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

3 hours ago, F-2 said:

Su-30MKK or MK2. Apparently documentation is starting to wind up in collectors hands. Deka apparently has plans to revisit it after J-8.

 

Mig-29smt. Radar manual has been out in public for the last nine years or so. The Yemeni SMT is just a 9.12 with zhuk, two MFD, and an off the self nav system, no UFC like other SMT.

either of those are fairly plausible 

 

Assuming they can use it. There's a lot of stuff out there in the public that still can't be used.

It doesn't make a lick of sense, but we're not the lawmakers.

[Weta43]

I'd have thought that ED could do say the current MiG-29A, then some western 3rd party could do a licensed upgrade mod (as for the NS-430 or J-11 but on steroids)- drop some parts of the existing cockpit & external model out & replace, replace upgraded systems, keep the bulk of the existing model that brings the underlying model up to say the standard of the SM or Serbian SMT. (whatever non-Russian mod info's available for)

As happened in real life

ED doesn't lose any sales (maybe gets extra because to get the SM you have to buy the ED "A" first) only sells what they're allowed, some western company pays to use the underlying module as a starting point.

[upyr1]

12 hours ago, F-2 said:

Su-30MKK or MK2. Apparently documentation is starting to wind up in collectors hands. Deka apparently has plans to revisit it after J-8.

 

Mig-29smt. Radar manual has been out in public for the last nine years or so. The Yemeni SMT is just a 9.12 with zhuk, two MFD, and an off the self nav system, no UFC like other SMT.

either of those are fairly plausible 

 

The real issue isn't just what is available but what is available officially. Some company with a snail logo is known to have people leak documents. I'd love to have more modern Russian planes and helicopters 

[MAXsenna]

On 12/17/2024 at 6:44 PM, Tomas9970 said:

Only exception is the Su-57 that was explicitly forbiden by ED.

Really? Well, lack of data would've made it impossible in any case.  

[MAXsenna]

On 12/21/2024 at 9:12 AM, upyr1 said:

Some company with a snail logo is known to have people leak documents

Now you got me intrigued! 

[Silver_Dragon]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:12 AM, upyr1 said:

The real issue isn't just what is available but what is available officially. Some company with a snail logo is known to have people leak documents. I'd love to have more modern Russian planes and helicopters 

What good is it going to do to leak documents, if ED is going to go with a hammer to prevent everything that is not "open source" from being immediately discarded to avoid legal problems (this includes 3rd Parties).

[MAXsenna]

What good is it going to do to leak documents, if ED is going to go with a hammer to prevent everything that is not "open source" from being immediately discarded to avoid legal problems (this includes 3rd Parties).

Read again. It's exactly what he wrote. Leaked information cannot be used.

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[upyr1]

On 1/6/2025 at 2:53 PM, Silver_Dragon said:

What good is it going to do to leak documents, if ED is going to go with a hammer to prevent everything that is not "open source" from being immediately discarded to avoid legal problems (this includes 3rd Parties).

That's exactly what I meant when I stated that what matters is what information is officially available. Only open-source information is officially available not the leaks you find on the forum with a snail logo 

Edited January 8 by upyr1