What is the future of WW2 stuff for DCS?

[Rudel_chw]

6 minutes ago, waterman said:

You are right i cannot enjoy DCS it is broken thats what i am telling you !

 

ok, I was just pointing up that it isnt totally and completely broken, it can still provide a lot of enjoyment.

 

6 minutes ago, waterman said:

When there a problem fix it please.

I cant fix it, only ED can.

[waterman]

23 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Ok so 

1. I don’t think most people can tell the difference between a 1940s British or German train. 
2. Nobody noticed, maybe. 
3. Legit. 
4. Again not sure who cares. 
5. Never noticed this but legit. Maybe make an actual bug report. 
6. See 5 above.

Go figure it’s a flight sim and not a train sim trains are fun to shoot though, I’d like to see bigger explosions from them like in the gun cam films

 

I am suprised at your comments SharpeXB i thought you were all for details and realism.

WW2 Trains were a massive part of WW2 and should be given some kind of recognition 

Yes all reported and the repair crew have been scrambled to their stations i think ?

You might take note when they are turning up as distant spotting dots in the sky but thats another 400 page debate coming for you soon maybe  .

Edited December 30, 2024 by waterman

[SharpeXB]

36 minutes ago, waterman said:

I am suprised at your comments SharpeXB i thought you were all for details and realism.

Sure within reason. The rivet counting stuff is sorta counterproductive. Like make a bug report and move on…

[Mr_sukebe]

Every so often, I wish that the group behind IL2 call it quits on what they’re doing and create a series of FC3 style WW2 releases with a bunch of period WW2 aircraft for use in DCS

[aldox]

6 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

The simple math is that it takes about 2 years to develop a DCS module. Go figure how long it would take to fill out an historical roster of 20+ aircraft.

So enjoy what we have.

Flaming cliffs exists and they released a new one, what is stopping them from releasing a flaming cliffs 1940' > Eastern front expansion after that

Edited December 30, 2024 by aldox

[SharpeXB]

Just now, aldox said:

Flaming cliffs exists and they released a new one, what is stopping them from releasing a flaming cliffs 1940' > Easter front expansion after that

Sure the Flaming Cliffs of Dover wouldn’t be a bad idea. But even those modules are a lot of work.

[Lixma 06]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

1. I don’t think most people can tell the difference between a 1940s British or German train.

The German ones run on time!

[Silver_Dragon]

8 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

Every so often, I wish that the group behind IL2 call it quits on what they’re doing and create a series of FC3 style WW2 releases with a bunch of period WW2 aircraft for use in DCS

That "team" need learn from scratch how working module building on DCS, redone your 3d model to work on DCS engine, and build many funtionality before reach a FC level. That is not only export funny 3d models and viola, we put a FC module into DCS... and the problem about licences as aircrafts, 3d models, funtionality, etc if someone has copyright.

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, waterman said:

WW2 Trains were a massive part of WW2 and should be given some kind of recognition.

ED has actualy centred on lauching PTO, and none has show about a train or similar on marianas theater (on fact was some steam trains on Marianas before WW2) . The actual train funtionality has actualy very limited and spared (remember Yo-Yo talk about use them on the logistic funtionality in the past.... many time ago)

On fact, trains has no exclusive and no only trains has present on WW2, missing others as modern, and actualy none 3rd parties has build propper trains to your maps (WW2 and/or modern), we have only two russian trains (from Lomac/FC times), one Usa (from NTTR), and German WW2 from WW2 assets pack after, all from ED. Missing all allied trains, wagons, and more stuff and more axis stuff.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[OpticFlow]

5 hours ago, Mr_sukebe said:

No, that’s not the case.

The current core batch of WW2 were voted for around 2014.  The reason for the mismatch is the guys who wanted the most common Spitfire, and the best versions of the 190 and 109.

Imagine getting five flyable DCS WW2 aircraft + the Normandy map, all this for $40... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944

[SharpeXB]

10 minutes ago, OpticFlow said:

Imagine getting five flyable DCS WW2 aircraft + the Normandy map, all this for $40... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944

Yeah… we did

[Silver_Dragon]

38 minutes ago, OpticFlow said:

Imagine getting five flyable DCS WW2 aircraft + the Normandy map, all this for $40... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/508681281/dcs-wwii-europe-1944

That's the problem, an external company believed that making WW2 in DCS World was just a matter of make screws (Remember that they only raised $158,897)... and never thought about the complexities of making modules in DCS World, even WW2 modules (you only have to look at the problems Octopus-G or Magnitude 3 are having)... and ended up bankrupt, with ED rescue the entire project... and put your money into them, and Ugra-Media, rescue the Normandy map.

Edited December 30, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[OpticFlow]

13 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

That's the problem, an external company believed that making WW2 in DCS World was just a matter of make screws (Remember that they only raised $158,897)... and never thought about the complexities of making modules in DCS World, even WW2 modules (you only have to look at the problems Octopus-G or Magnitude 3 are having)... and ended up bankrupt, with ED rescue the entire project... and put your money into them.

IMO we're lucky to have even the current WW2 modules. If the Corsair and the La-7 ever get released, even better. I'm enjoying my WW2 DCS experience while it lasts. This year there were multiple pleasant surprises for free: the Spitfire got cockpit textures refresh, the Dora got new sounds, there have been multiple updates to the core graphics, weather, the enlarged Normandy map, new landing gear mechanics...

[Silver_Dragon]

Just now, OpticFlow said:

IMO we're lucky to have even the current WW2 modules. If the Corsair and the La-7 ever get released, even better. I'm enjoying my WW2 DCS experience while it lasts. This year there were multiple pleasant surprises for free: the Spitfire got cockpit textures refresh, the Dora got new sounds, there have been multiple updates to the core graphics, weather, the enlarged Normandy map, new landing gear mechanics...

The M3 Corsair and the Octopus-G La-7 has only a matter of time to get a release.

Someone need remember by:

• ED P-51D and Fw-190D-9 modules was builded before WW2 KS start and ED never was plans to build a WW2 "planeset".
• RRG Studios WW2 KS select the Bf-109K-4, P-47D-28, Spitfire Mk IX and Me-262A-1 (that last has missing by some info problems and build propper realistic module)... and ED was nothing to do to change them.
• The Fw-190A-4 and Mosquito FB.VI was ED modules outside KS.
• ED has working actualy on the F6F hellcat and Nick Grey has claimed about building Battle of Britain modules after them.
• Actuly other WW2 Stuff and modules by other 3rd Parties has unkonow and/or not claimed.

About AI....

• The KS only "pomise" a B-17 and a Me262A-1 as AI.... and after Luthien "claimed" more AI units. On fact, the AI unit team (rescue by ED) release a first branck of WW2 and some expansions after the last years.
• The WW2 AI team has centred on some PTO units (By now CV-6 Enterprise, the AM6 Zero, some IJN ships and other not claimed AI Stuff).
• M3 AI team has building some Land, air and sea Us/IJA/IJN units to Corsair module.

[Silver_Dragon]

6 hours ago, Nealius said:

1. Lots of people have been requesting a Vietnam map for years before the Phantom even came out.

2. The Phantom was used by many countries in many regions we already have: Persian Gulf, Sinai, Syria, and Kola. 

Has Heatblur a Map team? No. They will be claimed Vietnam map, but that required many stuff, personal and a outside SKD (TDK), but never confirm them. ED and 3rd Parties has your propper plans and agendas. The same situation with Syria Ugra-Media and Sinai OnReTech map, no math with the 60-70 "planeset".

Edited December 30, 2024 by Silver_Dragon

[hairbear29]

Flying iron do good warbirds in msfs it would be great to see their work in dcs but the are doing an A7 

[Nealius]

7 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

But you can fly your 1944 Spitfire in reasonably authentic scenarios against 109 K-4s even though these probably never attacked London. Nothing wrong with that, really. Just use your imagination. 

Imagination does not fix the major performance disparity between a Mk9 Spit and a K-4. 

[SharpeXB]

Just now, Nealius said:

Imagination does not fix the major performance disparity between a Mk9 Spit and a K-4. 

Sure… imaginative tactics It’s not hard to zap a K-4 in the Spitfire. 

[ggrewe]

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11 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

1. I don’t think most people can tell the difference between a 1940s British or German train.

10 hours ago, Lixma 06 said:

The German ones run on time!

Good one! Although that could also be a problem with the P-47s & Typhoons loitering around the Rail yards waiting for the prompt Germans arriving on time!

 

A WWII Flaming Cliffs module would be bloody marvelous with dumbed down versions of existing modules, like Spitfire V, Me-109 G variant, FW-190 A earlier variants, Mustang B & P-47 earlier variants.

- Less development time & resources as based on existing models & simpler functionality (FC capabilities)

- More affordable because of above

-Commercially viable, because of lower resource costs & wider appeal - potentially IL2 crowd & dumb-asses like me who are  to lazy to learn the full fidelity versions

-Could boost the WWII community & servers and kick start WWII again

[metzger]

Actually, none of the maps in DCS match the time frame of the modules we have, may be only besides Caucasus. All of the maps beside ww2 ones represent the location in 2020ish. Even Afghanistan. Dubai during the 2000s and Dubai in DCS is completely different. DCS is all over the place with modules and maps and almost nothing matches, therefore a lot of imagination is needed. It has always been like that. Think about mig-15 and Saber.. same.

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[Nealius]

"Just use your imagination." Might as well play IL2 or Ace Combat at that point ffs.

[Slippa]

Nice that there are chuckles to be had while the debate goes on. 

I like the sound of ggrewes suggestion. Especially, having a Typhoon would be mustard. Seems like a good start?

The trains do need looking at. Waterman got carried away and started a rail yard for DCS. There’s rail-guns, turntables, all sorts of goodies that he's made off his own back so he’s gonna focus on em being knackered. Would be good to get em ‘back on track’ though. If ED had a bit of flexibility and a better way of making use of the modders we’d have a pile of stuff to mess about with. Admirals fleet might fare better too and they’re not alone. I really think ED are missing a trick. There’s a good few modders that bring a lot with em, all to improve DCS.

I fly props more than anything else here. I get a lotta fun out of flying helis, less flying jets (but looking forward to a Tonka and a Typhoon). I love what we have. We’re already using our imagination sitting in our slippers with a drink ‘flying’ a Mossie desk but shhh. Imagine having more of the same, more choice of aircraft that fly the DCS way? That make a bit more sense? Yes please. And a Typhoon? Double yes please.

 

[Nealius]

The Tiffy is something that I think needs to be preserved digitally in something high-fidelity like DCS for the sake of posterity. There aren't any surviving, flyable examples are there? Given another 20 years and there won't be flyable examples of any warbirds we have in DCS, now that I think of it. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Nealius

[Slippa]

Well, there is hope but it’s a long way off. i.e. (send funds ),

https://hawkertyphoon.com

There’s an airworthy Tempest now as well, though it’s a MkII so too late to see war-service.

Also, out of the 20,000+ Spitfires that were built from ‘38 to ‘48, around 60-70 are airworthy and flying today . That’s just the Spits. There are by far less Hurricanes but there are some. We have, I think, the only airworthy B-17 in Europe at Duxford but there are more dotted around. There’s 2 very precious Lancs already flying with another on the way here:

https://www.lincsaviation.co.uk Again, send funds. They have a Mossie project as well and thankfully more of those are airworthy in NZ and elsewhere too. I think Kermit Weeks has one that’s not far off airworthy too? 

There’s a thriving trade in restorations, plenty of specialised companies with jigs etc for the job and a lot of know-how. That’s always encouraging. I’d hope there’d be more vintage birds in the air in 20 years, not less, though airshows need supporting as well as other factors.

There’s plenty for ED to go on and if the Fighter Collection are still involved they really don’t have any excuses not to bring us more to play ahem, operate with .

 

 

 

[Doughguy]

It would be rather advisable, to get another axis plane next... we have 5 allies planes plus subvariants atm, and 3 allied in the making.

Or, a late war map, to actually fly these planes where it would make sense..