released to early access Cold War Germany discussion

[Fungible]

1 hour ago, Beirut said:

 

Performance could be an issue as well. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Caucasus map the easiest to run? 

 

If so, that would be a a good equalizer for MP with people having different kinds of rigs.

I guess but Syria, PG and a few others are honestly not bad on performance in comparison, even in the densest of regions like Aleppo or Damascus

[graveyard4DCS]

You can also look at russian ressources, there is plenty of information regarding the Cold War era. 

For example, this website about DDR air defense is a gold mine : https://rtv-pvo-gsvg.narod.ru

Edited March 23 by graveyard4DCS

[Swiso]

Or this one too:

https://peters-ada.de/

[OneEyeRoss]

Some of the things that we are missing from the "ground pounder" point of view:  mine fields and anti-tank ditches.  Without the ability to channelize the attacking RedFor, it makes it harder to get the invading forces into the kill boxes for the air component.  (Of course, the whole GDP depended on three days of prep work by the combat engineers to dig the ditches, lay the mines and build our berms - not sure whole realistic that whole plan was.)

 

 

[Thamiel]

Wallmeister were a lot faster than this. The number of strategically placed and prepared "Sperren" und "Hindernisse" within the Fulda gap alone reached about 300. However, simulating the region to that level of detail seems unnecessary to me as DCS specializes more in aerial warfare than ground fighting. In the end, the targets are where I can find them. I dont care if they are placed by some historical proven barrier or the missionbuilder.

[OneEyeRoss]

26 minutes ago, Thamiel said:

Wallmeister were a lot faster than this. The number of strategically placed and prepared "Sperren" und "Hindernisse" within the Fulda gap alone reached about 300. However, simulating the region to that level of detail seems unnecessary to me as DCS specializes more in aerial warfare than ground fighting. In the end, the targets are where I can find them. I dont care if they are placed by some historical proven barrier or the missionbuilder.

Genau....

[Rongor]

On 1/23/2025 at 1:44 PM, Rongor said:

Hey Ugra,

in case you read this, please also include the radio navigation installations for 1980s Berlin:

 

NDB:

Lubars	DLS	413.5 kHz	N52.613899, E013.363600
Tegel West	RW	392.0 kHz	N52.545067, E013.151062
Tegel East	GL	321.5 kHz	N52.572316, E013.426114  *
Helmholtz	DBR	347.0 kHz	N52.463688, E013.288902
Planter	DIP	327.0 kHz
Mahlow	MW	309.0 kHz	N52.344471, E013.387504
Schonefeld	SL	299.0 kHz	N52.392601, E013.570000

Gatow

GW

370.5 kHz

N52.469628, E013.138005

VOR:

Tegel	TGL	112.30 MHz	N52.561512, E013.287567
Havel	HVL	113.30 MHz	N52.461115, E013.142778
Tempelhof	TOF	114.10 MHz	N52.473120, E013.405401

 

TACAN:

 

Tegel		*	N52.461115, E013.142778	*
Tempelhof	TOF	*	N52.473120, E013.405401	*

 

*

- Tegel East NDB coordinates is wrong by showing the 1990s location. This NDB had been located just within West-Berlin close to the border in the extended TXL rwy 26 approach centerline until the cold war ended. I yet have to find its precise former location

- I do have published approximate coordinates for Planter NDB though I still have to investigate its exact location as I did for all the others (literally pinpointing locations), will update when I achieved satisfying precision.

- I am 99% TOF VOR had a co-located TACAN and 30% certain TGL VOR did as well. I'm still investigating for original maps featuring these 2 VORTACs.

 

 

last update 06.02.2025

Seems like my help wasn't required, navaids seemed accurate in today's stream

 

Pretty sure though Werneuchen never had ILS...

Edited April 13 by Rongor

[TBarina]

What kind of missions can be flown during this epoch?

 

[Volator]

3 hours ago, TBarina said:

What kind of missions can be flown during this epoch?

 

All of them. You can do whatever you like.

If you want to fly historically correct and authentic, it will mostly be training flights (VFR/IFR Nav, A2A, A2G), some recon flights and the occasional alpha scramble to intercept a bogey that is heading for the border, all flights on your side of the fence only, but that promises a lot of fun and great realism.

[OneEyeRoss]

On 4/14/2025 at 6:56 AM, Volator said:

All of them. You can do whatever you like.

If you want to fly historically correct and authentic, it will mostly be training flights (VFR/IFR Nav, A2A, A2G), some recon flights and the occasional alpha scramble to intercept a bogey that is heading for the border, all flights on your side of the fence only, but that promises a lot of fun and great realism.

March/April 1976:  Lariat Advance - We had an alert (sent me back to my unit from the NCO Academy, only time I know of that that happened).  Went to the Ammo Supply Point and we started loading big bullets in the GOER to take to the GDP, and started loaded them into the tanks.  When we got to the small arms rounds, most of us got to worrying.  Turned out to be an "exercise" (yeah, sure, uh-huh).  Great fun.

Some of those scramble events were a lot more terrifying than they were fun.

[Lace]

I finally have a valid use for the Chipmunk Yak-52 (Yakmunk?) skin*.  Snooping over Berlin out of Gatow.  

* I know it's not the correct skin though.

Ahem...

 

 

[TBarina]

I think that Vietnam and Korea would be most awaited as well. I wonder why nobody talks about them

[Slippa]

Lots of us have been dressed like this since the Loach was released. We’re ready for Nam 

[Hiob]

On 3/22/2025 at 9:44 PM, skywalker22 said:

, of cource thats because Caucasus is free. 

agree to disagree. Caucasus has some of the more interesting geographic features. There good reasons to like the map apart from being free. It's only problem is that it is showing its age by now. Especially in comparison to modern maps from Ugra (and others). The settlements are way too small e.g.......

[NineLine]

5 hours ago, TBarina said:

I think that Vietnam and Korea would be most awaited as well. I wonder why nobody talks about them

Because this is a thread for the Germany map, all, please stick to the topic please. If we have nothing left to talk about on this map I can close this thread. Thanks. 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 4/16/2025 at 5:41 PM, NineLine said:

If we have nothing left to talk about on this map I can close this thread.

Let me fix that for you 

I just had a few helicopter flights on the new map, and let me just say that the various YT videos can't even prepare you for the experience of flying there in VR.
This map raises the bar so high, Ugra needs binoculars to find the other terrain creators - miles below them

Ugra Media clearly is the Heatblur of terrain developers! The detail down low is so ridiculous and yet the performance is really good - VRAM is of no concern.
I will spend many hours in the next few days simply flying around there, while wiping the drool off of my chin...

[Hiob]

1 minute ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Let me fix that for you 

I just had a few helicopter flights on the new map, and let me just say that the various YT videos can't even prepare you for the experience of flying there in VR.
This map raises the bar so high, Ugra needs binoculars to find the other terrain creators - miles below them

Ugra Media clearly is the Heatblur of terrain developers! The detail down low is so ridiculous and yet the performance is really good - VRAM is of no concern.
I will spend many hours in the next few days simply flying around there, while wiping the drool off of my chin...

 

I can’t download and try until tomorrow, but your report makes me really happy in the meantime!

[fjacobsen]

49 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Let me fix that for you 

I just had a few helicopter flights on the new map, and let me just say that the various YT videos can't even prepare you for the experience of flying there in VR.
This map raises the bar so high, Ugra needs binoculars to find the other terrain creators - miles below them

Ugra Media clearly is the Heatblur of terrain developers! The detail down low is so ridiculous and yet the performance is really good - VRAM is of no concern.
I will spend many hours in the next few days simply flying around there, while wiping the drool off of my chin...

I absolutely agree..

I have flown over Berlin in the F-4E, UH-1, MI-8 and considering the detail, performance is quite good on my ststem with the Quest 3.

The detail, quality and size of this map looks really promising - even for this early acces version, there is possibilies for alot of cool missions.

[Mustang]

Waited a few hours for the dust to settle before making the purchase and download, this is one staggeringly detailed and beautiful map! 

Edited April 18 by Mustang

[OneEyeRoss]

I am stuck in download hell.  For some reason I am at 4.0 MB/s.  Left home, took the grand daughter to soccer practice and didn't move a bit.  0.0 Mb/S the entire time I was gone....  sad face....

3 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Let me fix that for you 

I just had a few helicopter flights on the new map, and let me just say that the various YT videos can't even prepare you for the experience of flying there in VR.
This map raises the bar so high, Ugra needs binoculars to find the other terrain creators - miles below them

Ugra Media clearly is the Heatblur of terrain developers! The detail down low is so ridiculous and yet the performance is really good - VRAM is of no concern.
I will spend many hours in the next few days simply flying around there, while wiping the drool off of my chin...

Please make a youtube, for those of us in DL Hell, we can live vicariously through your exploits.

[OneEyeRoss]

So, FINALLY done!  And, so worth the wait.  I can honestly say this is worth far more than I paid for it!  Well done, UGRA!

[Deimos]

First of all, the map looks great.(love the colors)

I'm about to do something typically German now: "complaining" and pointing things out

I only flew briefly over my hometown and didn't recognize anything :-(.

The choice of buildings is well done, but the streets are completely different or ANY landmarks are missing. But hey, these maps are only meant to give an impression of what it looks like there...

 

Some things stood out. There are these water towers and small,round, pointy towers everywhere . haven't seen anything like them anywhere in Germany.

I've only seen maybe three of these 1950s-VW buses in real life. (i was born there in the 70´s) on this map they park and drive everywhere. (Volkswagen is only a few kilometers from where I live.) Use T2 or better T3 models. They would fit perfectly with the other cars like that "123 Mercedes" and "3er BMWs". they were/are everywhere. ambulace, police, private owners, fire department, any company drove those.

Btw - there's something else (that isn't Ugra's fault). The cars are so tiny. and streets too narrow.

80% of the  german powelines are underground. only the large Elelectric pilons are ok.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

5 hours ago, OneEyeRoss said:

 

I am stuck in download hell.  For some reason I am at 4.0 MB/s

 

Yes I had to go through that as well: the last 4GB were at 0-16KB/s with some excursions up to 6MB/s.

5 hours ago, OneEyeRoss said:

Please make a youtube

Sorry, sleep was more important

[ESAc_flankercobra]

I think this was the result of having added them at the last minute, because otherwise it would be a joke...

 

[ESAc_flankercobra]

0. Will there be RSBN beacons on the maps?
- Yes, East German airbases are already equipped with RSBN beacons.

 

Edited April 18 by ESAc_flankercobra