Roadmap of Mi-24p ?

[Raffi75]

11 hours ago, Robo76 said:

But I understood and counted on the fact that these unofficial manuals are known by most people in DCS and I put the link for sure. Since they are available from the community, then there is no need to ask the ED for them. Why do something like this again. I'm much more bothered by the functional bugs of modules like Ai Petrovitch. It would have been much more sensible to leave it in its original state until the new version was completed to a reasonably usable state, rather than immediately go work on something else and abort the completion of Petrovitch. Then it's hard to find the time, during that grace period the programmer forgets enough things and has to fully understand the code again.

You still don't understand.

[Robo76]

20 hours ago, Raffi75 said:

You still don't understand.

The manual should be official, but it's not. I don't care because it's a much better replacement than the official one would be.

[Rudel_chw]

Well, another DCS update went by and still no Flight Manual for the Mi-24P   ... what pisses me the most isnt the low priority that this item seem to have, but the fact that the thread about the manual got closed:

 

 

DCS is supossed to be a "study-level simulation", but how can I study an aircraft without its manual? ... for me it is an essential item and is the reason why I had to leave this module aside.

 

[BIGNEWY]

6 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said:

Well, another DCS update went by and still no Flight Manual for the Mi-24P   ... what pisses me the most isnt the low priority that this item seem to have, but the fact that the thread about the manual got closed:

 

 

DCS is supossed to be a "study-level simulation", but how can I study an aircraft without its manual? ... for me it is an essential item and is the reason why I had to leave this module aside.

 

 

I've shared the concerns with the teams, the problem is we in a backlog currently for manuals and the translations for each language. I hope we can share some news soon. 

thanks

[Raffi75]

12 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

 

I've shared the concerns with the teams, the problem is we in a backlog currently for manuals and the translations for each language. I hope we can share some news soon. 

thanks

Really? Will it be in Polish too? Shocking, I didn't expect that. I'm impressed.

[kotor633]

As far as has been announced, "the English translation has been finished and is currently being proofread." As of January 18, 2024 (https://forum.dcs.world/topic/340168-mi-24p-manual)

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, kotor633 said:

As far as has been announced, "the English translation has been finished and is currently being proofread." As of January 18, 2024 (https://forum.dcs.world/topic/340168-mi-24p-manual)

yes, unfortunately we have a back log currently.

[Mainstay]

Besides the Manual a GNS530 would be a very welcom addon... 

The moving map is just so meh... 

 

[Raffi75]

I've already written this in another thread, and I'll repeat it here. The amount of work and improvements made to the Mi-24 compared to the AH-64 is simply embarrassing. The team responsible for this helicopter should be ashamed. All we get is information that changes nothing and is only meant to silence us. 

Edited Friday at 12:27 PM by Raffi75

[BIGNEWY]

9 minutes ago, Raffi75 said:

I've already written this in another thread, and I'll repeat it here. The amount of work and improvements made to the Mi-24 compared to the AH-64 is simply embarrassing. The team responsible for these helicopters should be ashamed. All we get is information that changes nothing and is only meant to silence us. 

While I get your frustration, If you were silenced you wouldn't be posting this. 

I have passed on everyones feedback. 

thanks

[Raffi75]

8 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

While I get your frustration, If you were silenced you wouldn't be posting this. 

I have passed on everyones feedback. 

thanks

Thank you for your reply. What you're writing about is called censorship, or as many prefer, moderation. What I wrote about is: we'll write whatever we want, and users should leave us alone.

 Thanks

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, Raffi75 said:

Thank you for your reply. What you're writing about is called censorship, or as many prefer, moderation. What I wrote about is: we'll write whatever we want, and users should leave us alone.

 Thanks

We have rules here, they apply to everyone the same, but if you want to discuss moderation feel free to PM me. 

thank you 

[MAXsenna]

10 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

We have rules here, they apply to everyone the same, but if you want to discuss moderation feel free to PM me. 

thank you 

While I could be wrong, it seems to me he's not talking about moderation, but getting answers that discourages users from asking again, ( = silence). 

[Stratos]

I also feel the Hind is not getting any update, not even a proper roadmap. And that's sad as is the chopper I fly the most, by far!

[BIGNEWY]

5 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

While I could be wrong, it seems to me he's not talking about moderation, but getting answers that discourages users from asking again, ( = silence). 

Clearly you can see I have been replying in the thread with what I can, its hardly silence. 

[Raffi75]

22 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

We have rules here, they apply to everyone the same, but if you want to discuss moderation feel free to PM me. 

thank you 

I think you misunderstood me. Unfortunately, English isn't my native language, and I have to use a translator, which probably doesn't convey the meaning of what I'm saying.

 

I'm trying to say that I have the impression, the feeling of being disregarded when it comes to comments and observations regarding the Mi-24. For example, how long the topic of the official manual or the green light on the R-828 radio has been going on. These are just two of the most common examples.

 

I hope it's clear now. I'm writing only on my own behalf, although I have the feeling I'm not alone here.

Thank you

[BIGNEWY]

Just now, Raffi75 said:

I think you misunderstood me. Unfortunately, English isn't my native language, and I have to use a translator, which probably doesn't convey the meaning of what I'm saying.

 

I'm trying to say that I have the impression, the feeling of being disregarded when it comes to comments and observations regarding the Mi-24. For example, how long the topic of the official manual or the green light on the R-828 radio has been going on. These are just two of the most common examples.

 

I hope it's clear now. I'm writing only on my own behalf, although I have the feeling I'm not alone here.

Thank you

No problem, maybe we have misunderstood each other. 

We can only work on some issues when we have the resources for them, or there maybe a back log of work we need to clear first. 

It is frustrating, but we are not ignoring you, I have replied here, and passed on your feedback already . 

thanks

[Stratos]

And would be possible to get a roadmap of what bugs need to be fixed, features missing and possible planned addons? Thanks!

 

[MAXsenna]

23 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Clearly you can see I have been replying in the thread with what I can, its hardly silence. 

I didn't say I agreed, just what he meant.  

[Raffi75]

19 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

No problem, maybe we have misunderstood each other. 

We can only work on some issues when we have the resources for them, or there maybe a back log of work we need to clear first. 

It is frustrating, but we are not ignoring you, I have replied here, and passed on your feedback already . 

thanks

I'm sorry, but the words just come to mind. "By their fruits you will recognize them."

Best regards 

 

[HC_Official]

1 hour ago, Stratos said:

I also feel the Hind is not getting any update, not even a proper roadmap. And that's sad as is the chopper I fly the most, by far!

some of us have been asking about the manual for the hind for a while now(years), so I can see where you are coming from

Edited Friday at 02:45 PM by HC_Official

[Rudel_chw]

21 minutes ago, Stratos said:

And would be possible to get a roadmap of what bugs need to be fixed, features missing and possible planned addons? 

 

Why would we, as users, need those?  .. I have no interest on managing a software company, I just want to have a proper manual to study the module.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Not asking to much. isnt?

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

2 hours ago, Mainstay said:

Besides the Manual a GNS530 would be a very welcom addon... 

The moving map is just so meh... 

I don't agree. The moving map works perfectly well and does what it's supposed to do, and is era-appropriate with the rest of the systems.
Besides, a GPS unit would be another step into yet another "MFD ridden flying calculator" instead of a proper aircraft with its own unique character.

The feeling of flying/operating is also completely different. Many of us are old enough to have made road trips to different countries in the pre-GPS era. With visual navigation (road signs and landmarks), a compass and a map and we managed to get to our destination and back home again just fine 
I can't stress enough how much I prefer visual recon, radio navigation (beacons) and using a map over following a dotted line on a screen towards a "your destination is here" sign hovering in the sky...

[Raffi75]

29 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I don't agree. The moving map works perfectly well and does what it's supposed to do, and is era-appropriate with the rest of the systems.
Besides, a GPS unit would be another step into yet another "MFD ridden flying calculator" instead of a proper aircraft with its own unique character.

The feeling of flying/operating is also completely different. Many of us are old enough to have made road trips to different countries in the pre-GPS era. With visual navigation (road signs and landmarks), a compass and a map and we managed to get to our destination and back home again just fine 
I can't stress enough how much I prefer visual recon, radio navigation (beacons) and using a map over following a dotted line on a screen towards a "your destination is here" sign hovering in the sky...

I agree with you. The cartographer works very well, especially on maps with two zoom levels. The Mi-24 was intended to be a simple tool, without any frills.

Among older colleagues, it was common practice to draw the flight route on a map to reinforce the habit. Paper was the most important thing. As the era of the first Germins began, I saw fewer and fewer young pilots with a map, navigation slider, and pencil in hand. Just a small digression.