DCS: Cold War Germany FAQ

[Raffi75]

@Thamiel Please also note that I, being Polish, only mentioned one airport from the territory of my country, which de facto belonged to the USSR, and which seems to me to be an important point on the map considering its nature.

[flyingcyrus]

15 hours ago, grim_reaper68 said:

In my opinion, you would make all french pilots happy to have France represented on your great map when you release the phase 3 of this great map.

Not mentioning Nancy and Luxeuil, which seem to drop in the phase 3 perimeter !

Please Ugra, pleaaaaaaaase !

[Thamiel]

Its the first map of a highly industrialized and developed area where today in RL lots of people have the time and are actually capable and willing to invest thousands of euro into hardware and software just to play a particular computer game, not counting the service members who were stationed here during that time and do so from somewhere else for sentimental reasons. Of course, this map is hyped.

You could easily talk all day long about areas, airbases, military sites all over the place, not just at the edges or the extensions planned. Apparently, we do so right here: "Lots of work if you want to do it right, and lots of critics if you fail." This map will obviously push the limits. But if you want to have something, you have to give something. Curiously enough, nobody talks about that, do they? I could complain about a full fledged military airbase active 'til 1977 just 20 minutes down the road from where I live. I could complain about forgotten Matador sites in the Bitburg region rusting long enough for me to be amazed by the sheer size their metal drop gates just 10 years ago.

Would it increase the immersion of the map if those installations would be recognizable from the air? The majority of players wouldnt even know where to look.

[Jaku]

22 minutes ago, Thamiel said:

Its the first map of a highly industrialized and developed area where today in RL lots of people have the time and are actually capable and willing to invest thousands of euro into hardware and software just to play a particular computer game, not counting the service members who were stationed here during that time and do so from somewhere else for sentimental reasons. Of course, this map is hyped.

You could easily talk all day long about areas, airbases, military sites all over the place, not just at the edges or the extensions planned. Apparently, we do so right here: "Lots of work if you want to do it right, and lots of critics if you fail." This map will obviously push the limits. But if you want to have something, you have to give something. Curiously enough, nobody talks about that, do they? I could complain about a full fledged military airbase active 'til 1977 just 20 minutes down the road from where I live. I could complain about forgotten Matador sites in the Bitburg region rusting long enough for me to be amazed by the sheer size their metal drop gates just 10 years ago.

Would it increase the immersion of the map if those installations would be recognizable from the air? The majority of players wouldnt even know where to look.

Rome wasnt built in one day, also i dont think anyone is giving even a small ammount of criticism? i dont understand why youre complaining about something that is not even happening, of course, some people are sad because their "favourite area" is out of bounds, but you have to know that giving ideas or talking about something that could be added doesnt equals to "asking for a favourite airfield" i dont understand why some people give it such reason, Im pretty sure a lot of people will show their excitement, happiness and support by buying the map day one, without caring if their "favourite part" will be modelled or no, its up to Ugra where they will "draw their lines" on the map, our limit will be the creativity of the stuff we will do on it.

[Raffi75]

38 minutes ago, Thamiel said:

Its the first map of a highly industrialized and developed area where today in RL lots of people have the time and are actually capable and willing to invest thousands of euro into hardware and software just to play a particular computer game, not counting the service members who were stationed here during that time and do so from somewhere else for sentimental reasons. Of course, this map is hyped.

You could easily talk all day long about areas, airbases, military sites all over the place, not just at the edges or the extensions planned. Apparently, we do so right here: "Lots of work if you want to do it right, and lots of critics if you fail." This map will obviously push the limits. But if you want to have something, you have to give something. Curiously enough, nobody talks about that, do they? I could complain about a full fledged military airbase active 'til 1977 just 20 minutes down the road from where I live. I could complain about forgotten Matador sites in the Bitburg region rusting long enough for me to be amazed by the sheer size their metal drop gates just 10 years ago.

Would it increase the immersion of the map if those installations would be recognizable from the air? The majority of players wouldnt even know where to look.

Maybe I'm wrong, if so, correct me. I see a friendly atmosphere in this thread and it seems to me that these are just our proposals, loose suggestions of what could be added to the map. We all realize that the final decision belongs to Ugra and none of us will have any complaints. At most, a small regret that it didn't work out.

I have to give something from myself, but I do. I pay the creator for their work by buying their map.

[TheBiggerBass]

DCS CW map has a size of 890km x 900km = 801.000 km², requiring 205GB SSD space. Whole Europe (excl. Greenland, incl. Russia west of Ural) is about 10,5 mio km². that's approx. 13x the size.  I assume lesser populated areas with less airports, cities etc. should also require less memory size. Phase IV++ map might fit on a 2TB SSD and will definetly fit on a 4TB SSD.

Just to plan your next SSD purchase

[Magic Zach]

Is Grafenwohr aerial gunnery range going to be included?

[sith1144]

currently deep inside some literature on doctrine and tactics development, 1975-1985 to get into the spirit of things. ooooh... books...

[NibblesGER]

Really looking forward to the map.

However, as others already mentioned there seems to be large gap in Schleswig-Holstein, being part of the map but actually none of the airfields there on the list, so a large empty space?

[maks]

20 hours ago, maks said:

Dear Maestro,

would it be possible to add the whole of Belgium and the Netherland in phase3? Some very important airports and harbours are in those parts!

Great map!

And i see Florennes air base in the ardennes , east belgium is not mentioned? Pretty important base !

Edited April 17 by maks

[WolfCat]

So let's reword some of the wishes:

Dear Ugra!

Please do 2 new maps too: Cold War - Eastern Europe    and    Cold War - Western Europe (incl. Iceland for those Tom Clancy - Red Storm Rising vibes)

Edited April 17 by WolfCat

[OneEyeRoss]

For those people needing reference material:  FM 100-5 Operations  is a good read.  It is obsolete by now, and an easy to find reference, both the 82 and 86 editions.  (I am so old we were using the 1976 edition!).  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/US_Army_Field_Manual_100-5%2C_1982.pdf)  There are several critics of the manual written (I am guessing by officers going to the Staff College) but even with it's critics it is a good idea of what the doctrine was.

Another thing to read, but from the 78-79 era: The Value of Field Fortifications in Modern Warfare  (The Fulda Gap stuff starts on page 83)

 https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA129095.pdf

 

[sith1144]

20 minutes ago, OneEyeRoss said:

For those people needing reference material:  FM 100-5 Operations  is a good read.  It is obsolete by now, and an easy to find reference, both the 82 and 86 editions.  (I am so old we were using the 1976 edition!).  (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/US_Army_Field_Manual_100-5%2C_1982.pdf)  There are several critics of the manual written (I am guessing by officers going to the Staff College) but even with it's critics it is a good idea of what the doctrine was.

Another thing to read, but from the 78-79 era: The Value of Field Fortifications in Modern Warfare  (The Fulda Gap stuff starts on page 83)

 https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA129095.pdf

 

heh I am in fact reading a history of the development thereof wrtten by officers  https://cdm16040.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4013coll11/id/1662/rec/10

[Alicatt]

5 hours ago, maks said:

And i see Florennes air base in the ardennes , east belgium is not mentioned? Pretty important base !

And also no mention of Sanicole Airfield, the tank piste and shooting ranges there between Hechtel and Leopoldsburg, Sanicole was a training field associated with Kleine Brogel up to recently and the ranges are still in use, we hear them almost every day  They still drop paratroopers over Sanicole.

Then there are the training areas at Molenheide and Houthalen-Helechtren, the H-H range is used by aircraft to drop ordnance and while the A10s were here they used it for tank plinking I could hear the Brrrrt of the GAU8 in Eksel and while I was working in Zonhoven they regularly flew overhead.

[OneEyeRoss]

4 hours ago, sith1144 said:

heh I am in fact reading a history of the development thereof wrtten by officers  https://cdm16040.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p4013coll11/id/1662/rec/10

Yep, those guys at CGSC had to write a paper about something....  There are some really good ones out there, if a person takes the time to search through them.

 

Here's another period FM to read:  https://irp.fas.org/doddir/army/fm100-2-1.pdf

 

Edited April 17 by OneEyeRoss

[TeTeT]

Anyone knows which name the terrain has for the updater of a dedicated server? GERMANY_terrain it is not

 

[Slippa]

3 minutes ago, TeTeT said:

Anyone knows which name the terrain has for the updater of a dedicated server? GERMANY_terrain it is not

 

GERMANYCW_terrain
 

apparently. 

[Kirito]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb TeTeT:

Anyone knows which name the terrain has for the updater of a dedicated server? GERMANY_terrain it is not

 

it's "GERMANYCW_terrain"

[59th_Wittman]

Hello all!

What is name of Germany map in command line? F:\DCS World OpenBeta Server\bin>DCS_Updater.exe install GERMANYCOLDWAR_terrain?

I installed all new map, than Afghanistan, Iraq, etc in command line.

Thanks is advance!

59th_Wittman

Edited April 17 by 59th_Wittman

[frwind]

9 минут назад, 59th_Wittman сказал:

Hello all!

What is name of Germany map in command line? F:\DCS World OpenBeta Server\bin>DCS_Updater.exe install GERMANYCOLDWAR_terrain?

I installed all new map, than Afghanistan, Iraq, etc in command line.

Thanks is advance!

59th_Wittman

DCS_Updater.exe install GERMANYCW_terrain

[59th_Wittman]

Thank You very much!

S!

59th_Wittman

 

 

[JoeT-2024]

Any Updater 2.17.3.11 issues to install the map?

After completing the download about 50 minutes later, it is now slowly unpacking.
 
It froze unpacking at about the halfway point and mostly stopped downloading with 4 Gb to go, or oscillated up to only 2-3 MB/s.  Previously I was getting 10 MB/s.

[RustBelt]

20 hours ago, TheBiggerBass said:

DCS CW map has a size of 890km x 900km = 801.000 km², requiring 205GB SSD space. Whole Europe (excl. Greenland, incl. Russia west of Ural) is about 10,5 mio km². that's approx. 13x the size.  I assume lesser populated areas with less airports, cities etc. should also require less memory size. Phase IV++ map might fit on a 2TB SSD and will definetly fit on a 4TB SSD.

Just to plan your next SSD purchase

By that point I would hope the long anticipated unified globe with a significant change in map storage and handling will have come by. The way some of the maps have been made lately looks to be very intentionally avoiding overlaps. 

[TheBiggerBass]

I wonder if there's any possibility to use existing map data from Google Earth, Google Maps etc. for DCS. This should save a lot of work and make complete earth available.

[bfr]

1 hour ago, TheBiggerBass said:

I wonder if there's any possibility to use existing map data from Google Earth, Google Maps etc. for DCS. This should save a lot of work and make complete earth available.

Sources like that can be used as a starting point certainly, but there is still a massive amount of work to then get to a finished and polished product.