DCS: MiG-29A Fulcrum FAQ

[draconus]

On 6/24/2025 at 11:16 AM, Dača said:

I did not see wings flexing due to G force in pre order video. Will this be added upon release ?

From Wags comment: "It will come a bit later, but planned." [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUlafaMDuU0]

 

[Dača]

8 minutes ago, draconus said:

From Wags comment: "It will come a bit later, but planned." [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUlafaMDuU0]

 

Not planned for launch ?

[draconus]

4 minutes ago, Dača said:

Not planned for launch ?

I think it's clear enough to leave no disambiguity.

[Dača]

27 minutes ago, draconus said:

I think it's clear enough to leave no disambiguity.

This missed my attention. Wing flex should be the first thing delivered alongside flight and 3D models ! Now I am sad.

[DD_Fenrir]

1 hour ago, Dača said:

This missed my attention. Wing flex should be the first thing delivered alongside flight and 3D models ! Now I am sad.

LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE!!!!

 

 

 

Meanwhile, life continues. 

[Cab]

1 hour ago, Dača said:

This missed my attention. Wing flex should be the first thing delivered alongside flight and 3D models ! Now I am sad.

You can simulate this for yourself by not installing the Fulcrum until wing flex is added. 

[Dača]

36 minutes ago, Cab said:

You can simulate this for yourself by not installing the Fulcrum until wing flex is added. 

Thanks for thinking about me. But I'll manage somehow.

Edited Wednesday at 12:05 PM by Dača

[Ironhand]

2 hours ago, Dača said:

This missed my attention. Wing flex should be the first thing delivered alongside flight and 3D models ! Now I am sad.

 Keep your chin up. This, too, will pass.

[Dača]

2 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

 Keep your chin up. This, too, will pass.

Yeah, I know.

That small detail really gives some charm to it. Of course, we can still fly without.

[Drona]

@BIGNEWY Just a doubt here, will there be a Metric English cockpit on release?

Currently, I see there is an English cockpit with Imperial units and standard Cyrillic metric cockpit from Wags' videos.

[draconus]

49 minutes ago, Drona said:

@BIGNEWY Just a doubt here, will there be a Metric English cockpit on release?

Currently, I see there is an English cockpit with Imperial units and standard Cyrillic metric cockpit from Wags' videos.

There are supposed to be an independent settings for units and cockpit language.

[apolloace]

Dumb Question:

Can the GROM(Kh-66) from the Mig21 be integrated on the Mig29A, as a precision strike weapon?

Just asking, because it is already in the simulation & weapons are made by ED.

[Sunbather]

Am 14.5.2025 um 21:53 schrieb NineLine:

• Ground attack modes that include Pre-Designate OPT for use with moving targets and in windy conditions; Non-Predesignate OPT for use with stationary targets and in calm conditions; and TOSS when bombing is conducted with a 110–130-degree pitch angle.  

Apologies for my ignorance but "pre-designate" and "moving targets" is a contradiction in my book. Can someone elaborate what this means? 

Do I pre-designate a target with an optical sensor (e.g. helmet targeting system)? But why would I then use non-predesignate for stationary targets? 

[Dača]

1 hour ago, apolloace said:

Dumb Question:

Can the GROM(Kh-66) from the Mig21 be integrated on the Mig29A, as a precision strike weapon?

Just asking, because it is already in the simulation & weapons are made by ED.

No chance. Grom missile is not correct for MiG-21Bis either. No MiG-21 radar could guide that missile, as well as MiG-29. Their role is intercept, nothing to do with precision strike. Only conventional "dumb" ordinance.

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, Sunbather said:

Apologies for my ignorance but "pre-designate" and "moving targets" is a contradiction in my book. Can someone elaborate what this means? 

Do I pre-designate a target with an optical sensor (e.g. helmet targeting system)? But why would I then use non-predesignate for stationary targets? 

Pre designation gives you correction for either wind or target movement. 
 

You do this by holding lock button, putting reticule on target, and releasing lock button. After 2 seconds The correction will have been computed once you place the reticule on the target a second time. 
 

It is better then say MiG-23, where it is required to keep reticule exactly on target for a few seconds. 
 

After releasing lock button laser ranges and builds mathematical model of where target should be if stationary/no wind in comparison to your speed height and movement. After two seconds the FCS assumes your reticule is on target and produces correction for that position. So when you place reticule a second time and fire, the proper movement/wind correction is calculated.  
 

One thing with this is that the calculation only lasts around 8-10 seconds, then you will need to do it again, and is only for that specific target. 
 

A stationary target in no wind requires no correction so no pre designate needed. 

16 minutes ago, Dača said:

No chance. Grom missile is not correct for MiG-21Bis either. No MiG-21 radar could guide that missile, as well as MiG-29. Their role is intercept, nothing to do with precision strike. Only conventional "dumb" ordinance.

Hmmm? Any MiG-21 with RP-21 radar could guide the missile. It was designed entirely for MiG-21. 

 

2 hours ago, apolloace said:

Dumb Question:

Can the GROM(Kh-66) from the Mig21 be integrated on the Mig29A, as a precision strike weapon?

Just asking, because it is already in the simulation & weapons are made by ED.

I think you will find the normal weapon aiming mode very precise. It will be very precise for bombs and gun, rockets will be more precise the faster you are. 

[okopanja]

21 minutes ago, Dača said:

No MiG-21 radar could guide that missile, as well as MiG-29.

"No Mig-21": not true, Mig-21PFM could do it, but clarification should be asked from Magnitude 3 if the other versions of Mig-21 in Yugoslav service had the modifications to carry it, especially since one of the SMEs is an active pilot and instructor on Mig-29 and the Mig-21 airplanes were taken out of the service few years ago.

E.g. it's a well known fact that Yugoslavia modified their Mig-21s to level that it could use domestic IADS instead of soviet one, by replacing the DL components on receiving end. Mid 70s this was AS-74, and mid 80s AS-84. Once the GCI officer designates the target, the figher would receive updates automatically. I point you to the book "Nebo na dlanu", written by Rajica Bošković.

I also would like to point out that at this time development of domestic guided missile also called Grom was in progress.

If you have technical reasons for Mig-21bis not being able to guide it, I recommend you to post a topic in Mig-21 section.

Mig-29: true, this missile was never used.

The only option for any other precision weapons on 9.12 was the upgrade offered in 1996, as a part of the overhaul, which included Kh-29T, however this upgrade is not modeled for the time being. Source: Mirčeta Jokanović interview at TV Front. However this upgrade never took place due to the internal political factors.

Edited 8 hours ago by okopanja

[Dača]

I thought it could not. Can't remember where i read, but was mentioned that mig-21bis can't guide Grom missile. Can exact version of mig-21 that is in DCS guide it ? Thanks.

Correction to my statement.

What I learned so far is that fixed beam of RP-22 (Bis variant radar we have in DCS) is not compatible with Grom missile. While RP-21 could, theoretically, guide it.

In DCS it was added due to gaming !

I also could not find Grom missile being used in Yugoslavian MiG-21Bis. VTUP from year 1980.

Anything is possible with experimental and tested modifications, but serial product of bis that we have could not use it.

Edited 6 hours ago by Dača

[okopanja]

4 hours ago, apolloace said:

Dumb Question:

Can the GROM(Kh-66) from the Mig21 be integrated on the Mig29A, as a precision strike weapon?

Just asking, because it is already in the simulation & weapons are made by ED.

Just remembered. The manual mentions that ground targets can be targeted with R-60. The warhead is smaller but sufficient against lighter armor. 

Also R-73, R-27T can be used against aircraft on ground, provided that they have engine on. 

[Dača]

22 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Just remembered. The manual mentions that ground targets can be targeted with R-60. The warhead is smaller but sufficient against lighter armor. 

Also R-73, R-27T can be used against aircraft on ground, provided that they have engine on. 

In DCS ? I agree. But in DCS you can only hit grounded air units, while the seeker does not react to rest, as it should in RL. Hopefully it will be simulated in the future. I tried with AIM9 and nothing.

Edited 5 hours ago by Dača

[kotor633]

Yes, ground targets can be targeted with R-60, should also be possible for the Mi-24P. However, it is not (yet) implemented in DCS.

[okopanja]

1 minute ago, Dača said:

In DCS ? I agree. But in DCS you can only hit grounded air units, while the seeker does not react to rest, as it should in RL. Hopefully it will be simulated in the future. I tried with AIM9 and nothing.

In DCA, only Mistral will acquire ground target, but will miss.

R-73 and R27 you can try already now in longitudal mode. Sufficient to kill airplane on a ground without entering kill zone of most shorad

[Dača]

14 minutes ago, okopanja said:

In DCA, only Mistral will acquire ground target, but will miss.

R-73 and R27 you can try already now in longitudal mode. Sufficient to kill airplane on a ground without entering kill zone of most shorad

This is something to add on my "to do list" when mig-29a is released.

[kotor633]

I just tested it. I wasn't aware of it. It's a start. Great! Thanks for the tip.

[Sunbather]

vor 4 Stunden schrieb AeriaGloria:

Pre designation gives you correction for either wind or target movement. 
 

You do this by holding lock button, putting reticule on target, and releasing lock button. After 2 seconds The correction will have been computed once you place the reticule on the target a second time. 
 

It is better then say MiG-23, where it is required to keep reticule exactly on target for a few seconds. 
 

After releasing lock button laser ranges and builds mathematical model of where target should be if stationary/no wind in comparison to your speed height and movement. After two seconds the FCS assumes your reticule is on target and produces correction for that position. So when you place reticule a second time and fire, the proper movement/wind correction is calculated.  
 

One thing with this is that the calculation only lasts around 8-10 seconds, then you will need to do it again, and is only for that specific target. 
 

A stationary target in no wind requires no correction so no pre designate needed. 

 

THANK you for that, this makes so much sense now! 

[foxbat155]

5 hours ago, Dača said:

What I learned so far is that fixed beam of RP-22 (Bis variant radar we have in DCS) is not compatible with Grom missile. While RP-21 could, theoretically, guide it.

In DCS it was added due to gaming !

Not....theoretically, all variants with RP-21M radar can use Kh-66 missile. So, MiG-21PFM, modernized PF, M, MF.

Another thing: Kh-66 never had name Grom, even Kh-23 didn't had that name. Yugoslav variant of Kh-23 produced under Soviet licence had name Grom.....