Robo76 Posted Sunday at 08:05 PM Posted Sunday at 08:05 PM I wish ED would stop working on new features for at least a year and just fix the huge amount of accumulated bugs. Even after years and many fixes, the warehouses don't work and it's hell for the creators of more complex missions and they have to shut them down in the end. Every update is usually a bigger or smaller disaster and often brings more new bugs than they fix. I'm sure many mission creators have given up on DCS for these reasons. Today I'm tired of DCS bugs again, I have to take a medical break. 1 1
Kang Posted Sunday at 08:25 PM Posted Sunday at 08:25 PM (edited) If it were only the mission creators... No, seriously, I agree there are about three or four aircraft carriers worth of gross register tonnes of things that ended up 'on the backlog' for who knows how long. Literal bugs of things not working, plenty of issues of things kinda working but definitely not right and a plethora of things that weren't exactly cutting edge back then but are frankly hideous design choices today. But I think we all know what ED's reply is going to be. 'It's complicated and takes time', 'We don't have time to work on it because there are so many other things that need doing' and the classic 'provide a track!'. P.S.: While I'm sure someone will kindly point out how I am not a software developer and thus have no idea about that, it isn't made better by the fact that a lot of these things (mind you definitely not all) are pretty much copy/paste jobs for an afternoon, which we know, because community members, past and present, have provided these fixes in mods previously. Edited Sunday at 08:27 PM by Kang Post Scriptum 2
Rudel_chw Posted Sunday at 09:00 PM Posted Sunday at 09:00 PM 51 minutes ago, Robo76 said: I wish ED would stop working on new features for at least a year and just fix the huge amount of accumulated bugs. I’ve seen this wish several times before, but not once have I seen how do they propose to keep the company afloat during that year. 2 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Robo76 Posted Sunday at 09:58 PM Author Posted Sunday at 09:58 PM If this has been proposed here several times in the past and nothing has changed, something is wrong. Unfortunately, ED is gradually bringing this situation to its own attention with its approach. When they cannot distribute efforts and resources so that mistakes do not occur over time, they only complicate the situation cumulatively in the future, until it may eventually become unsolvable. I estimate that they must already be focused on newspaper income and they have no time or money left for old mistakes-debts. And on top of that, there are legal - economic issues with RAZBAM. I am also sure that a lot of people will come to explain to us that it is okay.
Rudel_chw Posted yesterday at 12:36 AM Posted yesterday at 12:36 AM (edited) 2 hours ago, Robo76 said: If this has been proposed here several times in the past and nothing has changed, something is wrong. another thing that I’ve seen a lot on this Forum, are new users that think they know best how to run a software development company… maybe you are the exception and a true genius at running business, but so far I’m not impressed. Edited yesterday at 12:42 AM by Rudel_chw 3 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Kang Posted 11 hours ago Posted 11 hours ago 21 hours ago, Rudel_chw said: I’ve seen this wish several times before, but not once have I seen how do they propose to keep the company afloat during that year. Selling a lot of the modules that are actually released and would become a whole lot less annoying to use, I presume. I know that probably doesn't work out, but it is no secret that the enormous backlog of errors is only getting bigger and bigger, and it sure hampers DCS' progress and in turn sales. Now, I'd say that ED isn't exactly a prime example of being geniuses at running a business either, but to be honest - they might have us morons figured out just right and manage to just scrape by despite the releases to - as you said - stay afloat during the year, coming ever quicker and - some people say - being less and less impressive. 2
Rudel_chw Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Kang said: I'd say that ED isn't exactly a prime example of being geniuses at running a business either They have been running their business for almost 35 years, can you tell me which other simulation software company has run as long? No, microsoft doesn't count ... their original Flight Sim series ran from 1982 to 2009, and their current FS 2020 series was comissioned to a french software house, with no relation to the prior product, while IL-2 dates from 2001 ... so ED seems pretty sucessful to me. 2 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
TBarina Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago Modules are not freeware. We pay for them and we have the right to have bugs fixed in a reasoneable time. I'm not going to wait 35 years to get them fixed. I'm also available to pay for enhanced bug free versions of some module but so far I don't even get an answer in the forum. 2 Ryzen 7 5800X3D, MSI RTX 4090, 64GB DRAM, 2 x 1TB SSD, Triple Monitor 1920x1080p, Win11-Home
Rudel_chw Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 44 minutes ago, TBarina said: we have the right to have bugs fixed in a reasoneable time From the end-user license you agreed to when purchasing modules: 3. LICENCE CONDITIONS ... 3.2 You acknowledge that the Program has not been developed to meet your individual requirements and that it is therefore your responsibility to ensure that the facilities and functions of the Program as described in the Documentation meet your requirements. 3.3 You acknowledge that the Program may not be free of errors or bugs and you agree that the existence of any minor errors shall not constitute a breach of this Licence. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
TBarina Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago In my opinion some are not minor errors: having ATC to give the wrong IAF for approaching the runway in bad weather? Or having the wingmen repeat endlessly the same things when they spot enemies? Or having wingmen crash on the tarmac? By citing Licence Conditions to defend ED position for the huge list of accumulated issues means throwing away the concept of "passion and support". There are incredibly talented community members who work hard to maintain fantastic solutions for DCS (without which I fear DCS wouldn't be what it is today) and campaign creators who put in a tremendous amount of effort to provide us with decent missions. It's high time for ED to do its part and dedicate the necessary time to fixing the legacy, otherwise we risk making life difficult even for those who are passionate about it. (BTW: I honestly don't think they'd even dream of mentioning the licensing terms. Luckily they are not an Insurance company ) 2 Ryzen 7 5800X3D, MSI RTX 4090, 64GB DRAM, 2 x 1TB SSD, Triple Monitor 1920x1080p, Win11-Home
diego999 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 5 hours ago, Rudel_chw said: They have been running their business for almost 35 years, can you tell me which other simulation software company has run as long? No, microsoft doesn't count ... their original Flight Sim series ran from 1982 to 2009, and their current FS 2020 series was comissioned to a french software house, with no relation to the prior product, while IL-2 dates from 2001 ... so ED seems pretty sucessful to me. From your post count and your knowledge it's clear you've been playing for decades, and that's amazing. But you have to understand that probably the majority of us aren't as passionate about the game as you are, and in the end ED cannot survive on a handful of whales buying everything. Right now they're hyping up the WW2 stuff with the Corsair, ww2 Marianas, asset pack, etc. Yet you have zombie planes still flying in circles after being destroyed, and it's been that way for two months. Do you honestly think that's acceptable?
Rudel_chw Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 44 minutes ago, TBarina said: By citing Licence Conditions to defend ED position I just cited them because you said: " we have the right …" wasnt defending, just pointed out the incongruency For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
Rudel_chw Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 4 minutes ago, diego999 said: Do you honestly think that's acceptable? it’s not … but I have this obsession for accuracy, so when one user that has been here a bit over a year, attempts to teach ED how to run their business… I feel this urge to put things into perspective, an urge that I can’t really explain. but as obviously many users feel that my accuracy is miss placed, I will stop following this thread, so you can keep suggesting ED how to do things, bye. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
waterman Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 3 hours ago, diego999 said: Yet you have zombie planes still flying in circles after being destroyed, and it's been that way for two months. Do you honestly think that's acceptable? Could be related to the Deactivated Zombie Trains problem as they are doing a similar thing - Trains just continue for ever up in the sky on grass or out to sea locked in a direction when deactivated.
Pipe Posted 58 minutes ago Posted 58 minutes ago On 8/10/2025 at 2:00 PM, Rudel_chw said: I’ve seen this wish several times before, but not once have I seen how do they propose to keep the company afloat during that year. Perhaps with other devs money… i7 4770k @ 4.5, asus z-87 pro, strix GTX 980ti directcu3oc, 32gb Kingston hyperX 2133, philips 40" 4k monitor, hotas cougar\warthog, track ir 5, Oculus Rift
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