Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[My Fing ID]

yeah F-16 would rock! because its a Multirole fighter and you can fly every mission that all other aircrafts can do! :pilotfly:

 

:)

 

I agree. I hope the next in the series is a multirole fighter. Hell I'd like to see the Harrier II, but at that point you're sacrificing performance for VTOL capability, or so I've read.

[Python]

Well if we do get an F-16 with accurate flight dynamics etc, drop the C (combat) for a portion of the sim and give us a thunderbirds desplay to join in with please, can you imagine a more blissfull simulation experience... :thumbup: and then when the season is up, its back to the front line.

[nomdeplume]

Well if we do get an F-16 with accurate flight dynamics etc, drop the C (combat) for a portion of the sim and give us a thunderbirds desplay to join in with please

 

That's an interesting thought. I wonder what the viability of a DCS module of a popular aircraft like the F-16 minus its combat capabilities and related avionics would be? Presumably tough to sell at the regular price, but maybe at half the price of a regular DCS?

 

Somewhat realistic in that a real pilot would spend quite a time learning to fly the plane before going anywhere near weapons deployment. Mind you, the F-16 is maybe not a great choice for this approach: anyone who would be interested probably already knows the plane inside and out, and could ramp-start it without having to refer to the manual or producer's notes.

 

But Microsoft's Flight Simulator has proved to be very popular despite not having any combat; so there certainly is a market for high-fidelity non-combat flight simulators.

[Le_CuLtO]

F/A-18D !

Multirole, carrier-capable, and 2 seats. :joystick: :pilotfly:

Could be really fun in multiplayer !

Edited September 17, 2010 by Le_CuLtO

[Sanch0]

Yea, F-16 would be optimal choice.

 

[jpm1]

F-16 would be a challenge after Falcon 4 for ED . it may be risky but it may pay too , as if ED manages to reach F4 realism , and personnally from what i've seen since now i have no doubt about that , they could get the F4 community and get a label of excellency to hardcore simmers eyes too .

F-15 with A2G capabillity shown in A-stan could be a judicious move too

Edited September 17, 2010 by jpm1

[power5]

I am not interested in a2g from 20k. I want to be in the thick of it. Those mulirole do not have the abilities of the A10 to get low and slow and gun the enemy to death. Why would one want to jump in a multirole to blow tanks up when there is an A10? I like the visual style battle that we have now. I would rather look for my targets than have my radar beep them on screen for me to simply press the trigger. Then again, I dont know how to use the radar in those fancy jets yet. :D And since it will equal out the teams, I think we need an apache or cobra next, then a su25t. Teams will be equal and a real battle can begin. Seems like much of the frogfoot's work has been done as well. :joystick::pilotfly:

[GGTharos]

Because there's no point in risking your life to blow up tanks when you don't have to. Economics of warfare.

As for radar bleeps, sweeps and creeps, man, talk about your typical don't-wanna-use-sensors gross over-simplification ;)

[Steel Jaw]

I am not interested in a2g from 20k. I want to be in the thick of it. Those mulirole do not have the abilities of the A10 to get low and slow and gun the enemy to death

 

THe slow speed of the Hog allows me to loiter over the area for extended periods withing visual range of the battlefield. Defeinately an advantage and much more fun than push-button bombing.

[Pilotasso]

I am not interested in a2g from 20k. I want to be in the thick of it. Those mulirole do not have the abilities of the A10 to get low and slow and gun the enemy to death. Why would one want to jump in a multirole to blow tanks up when there is an A10? I like the visual style battle that we have now. I would rather look for my targets than have my radar beep them on screen for me to simply press the trigger. Then again, I dont know how to use the radar in those fancy jets yet. :D And since it will equal out the teams, I think we need an apache or cobra next, then a su25t. Teams will be equal and a real battle can begin. Seems like much of the frogfoot's work has been done as well. :joystick::pilotfly:

 

Why? F-16 can SEAD and has self escort capability with survavibility. Beat that in the A-10.

[Steel Jaw]

Why? F-16 can SEAD and has self escort capability with survavibility. Beat that in the A-10.

 

Survivable againt OPFOR jets, but thin skiined to AAA compared to the A10.

[104th_Crunch]

I am not interested in a2g from 20k. I want to be in the thick of it. Those mulirole do not have the abilities of the A10 to get low and slow and gun the enemy to death. Why would one want to jump in a multirole to blow tanks up when there is an A10? I like the visual style battle that we have now. I would rather look for my targets than have my radar beep them on screen for me to simply press the trigger. Then again, I dont know how to use the radar in those fancy jets yet. :D And since it will equal out the teams, I think we need an apache or cobra next, then a su25t. Teams will be equal and a real battle can begin. Seems like much of the frogfoot's work has been done as well. :joystick::pilotfly:

 

Why would I want to jump in a multi role fighter to blow up tanks?! So, I can do something else besides blow up tanks! Namely play head 2 head vs. Humans as opposed to just playing against AI only. Really very simple logic. Also, multi role fighters sure has heck do have the ability to get down low and strafe with the gun. I have seen videos of F-14s and F-18s do it.

[Pilotasso]

Survivable againt OPFOR jets, but thin skiined to AAA compared to the A10.

 

The F-16 can destroy AAA miles away from its max range. Its more a match for medium range SAM's.

[Yellonet]

The F-16 can destroy AAA miles away from its max range. Its more a match for medium range SAM's.

A hidden (passive) AAA will be almost impossible to detect at any distance outside it's range...

[Pilotasso]

If you mentioning terrain masking then yes. even then A Su-25 could shoot down an F-16. However you should really try reading something about F-16's ground radar modes. ;)

 

Today you can also slave the Litening AT to your helmet or radar and ID the target at standoff ranges.

[Steel Jaw]

The F-16 can destroy AAA miles away from its max range. Its more a match for medium range SAM's.

 

With what? GPS bombs? Mavericks?

 

Maybe. But for CAS you got to get in the bad guy's chilli. And that's when the ol' pussy Viper gonna get spanked.

 

Remember, you're talking to a long-time Falconeer ... there's NOTHING you can educate me on about the F16. :smilewink:

[Yellonet]

If you mentioning terrain masking then yes. even then A Su-25 could shoot down an F-16. However you should really try reading something about F-16's ground radar modes. ;)

 

Today you can also slave the Litening AT to your helmet or radar and ID the target at standoff ranges.

Will the radar see through trees, through rock and so on?

I really don't know so please explain what it can detect.

Nobody would put their AAA in plain view on a field or such, but hidden among trees or behind large rocks or buildings and so on... and in a hostile environment going up high to scan the ground might be too dangerous.

[Pilotasso]

No less than the A-10 ;)

 

Can AAA shot through trees too? :D

[FeoFUN]

My two cents. Let's make it easier to understand:

 

Air-superiority: F-15C, Su-27S, MIG-29A/C - CHECK!

CAS: A-10A/C, Su-25 - CHECK!

SEAD: crazy kamikaze Warthog with the Mavericks? Mythical Su-25T?! - Oh, PLEASE...

Pinpoint strike on the high-valuable targets: - ???

Deep strike with the fast low-level penetration of enemy ADs: - ???

 

Now let's get a closer look at the F-16/MIG-29SMT:

 

Air-superiority: it's their nature CHECK!

CAS: we have A-10 and Ka-50 - NOT SO ACTUAL ATM

SEAD: Faclcon - HARM; SMT - Kh-31P CHECK!

Pinpoint strike on the high-valuable targets: Falcon - GBU/JDAM ; SMT - Kh-29T/KAB500L/Kor CHECK!

Deep strike with the fast low-level penetration of enemy ADs: more or less OSIRAK RUINS, CHECK!

 

BTW, there is a one more task - antiship strike. AFAIK, Falcon doesn't have the ASM in its arsenal, so, maybe you prefer the Hornet over it. But Hornet not so widely distributed around the World.

 

What is the most important thing about the F-16 or MIG-29SMT is that both of them are in the REAL service. Yes, there is only one regiment of SMT in RuAF, but it's far more, than:

Su-25T - 1 AC in RuAF - not combat-ready, AFAIK, VIKHR ATGMs never been in production, only amount of prototypes produced by the developer, KBP-Tula.

MIG-29G - how many of them?! 1 or 2 prototypes in the MIG's hangar, i think?

Even my lovely Ka-50 - 4 or less combat ready ACs in RuAF, same story with the Vikhr as for Su-25T.

 

TBH, i really-really-really bored by the "alternate reality" in the most realistic and coolest combat simulator at the market. That's WHY we need the REAL multirole fighters - they can perform all these tasks, more or less well. And we CAN'T ask ED "please, give us the ten different types of AC's to fullfil all roles in the modern air warfare". So make your choice carefully, guys.

Edited September 17, 2010 by FeoFUN

[power5]

How do you provide CAS at 20k? With a laser guided munition? Ok, now what about very hostile CAS where the good guys can not sit for 5 minutes painting a target?

What needs more training? Picking off targets at 20 miles with smart weapons where you simply push a button, or getting in close and visually identifying the target and neutralizing it.

As for F14 using guns. What is the turning radius of a F14 at speeds where it will not get blasted to pieces by a guy with an Ak? A10 could make 3 passes with guns before the F14 returns.

Why do people keep asking the A10 to do stuff its not designed to do? Taking on a Su33 or something is not what its meant to do. That is for the F22 or F16. Lets see a F22 circle the hot zone at a couple thousand feet or less taking AAA and protecting the forces.

 

Dont get me wrong. I love the F14, F15, F16, F22, but that letter in front means its not really supposed to get in close. And for a combat "Game" I would like some action. If I want to fly around at 20k-40k without usually seeing the enemy, I will fire up FSX.

[Pilotasso]

I mentioned SEAD not CAS (but capable). Because you can do different things in F-16 besides just poking AI soldiers on the ground.

[Callsign.Vega]

DCS has already done two air-to-ground combat simulators. We need some air-to-air combat mixed in now with some multi-role fighter(s). Stat!

[71st_Mastiff]

Yea, F-16 would be optimal choice.

 

 

Ah beautiful " All you fuggers wish you could fly the viper" :thumbup:

[joey45]

My two cents. Let's make it easier to understand:

 

Air-superiority: F-15C, Su-27S, MIG-29A/C - CHECK!

CAS: A-10A/C, Su-25 - CHECK!

SEAD: crazy kamikaze Warthog with the Mavericks? Mythical Su-25T?! - Oh, PLEASE...

Pinpoint strike on the high-valuable targets: - ???

Deep strike with the fast low-level penetration of enemy ADs: - ****???

 

 

**** That be the Jaguar GR3a then..

[MTFDarkEagle]

SR-71? :)