MemphisBelle Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Eh, im okay with US aircraft but i think a Russian/soviet one would be pretty awesome. Plus im sure they're declassified... they were planed once. So I pretty much belive that we can someday expect may be a Mig29, SU-27 and or SU-33...but this was a very very old list from the first days of DCS announcements. This list also included AH-64 and MI-24, which apperently might not been modeled due to tech limits...we´ll se BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
Demongornot Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 if it's a F/A-18, it'll surely be the C model. I have already say a lot of time that the first version of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (Rhino) have almost the SAME avionic than the F/A-18C, something like 90% in fact, nothing are classified, the Super Hornet are nice that can be really nice to have it and the A10C its from 2006 and the Super Hornet from 1999... And don't forget that this next DCS aircraft its a military contract, F-15E or F/A-18E/F ok but F-15C/D or F/A-18C/D i don't see why US Army will need it its too old for a training simulator... It will maybe be using like DCS A10C for training pilot from A10A to new avionic, same thing for the F/A-18E/F... Anyways the best will be a multiseat, F/A-18D/F or F-15D/E !! cause we can anyways flying alone in a dual seat aircraft and we can too profit of multiplayer coop and AI when we want !!! CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
GGTharos Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I have already say a lot of time that the first version of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (Rhino) have almost the SAME avionic than the F/A-18C, No. And don't forget that this next DCS aircraft its a military contract, F-15E or F/A-18E/F ok but F-15C/D or F/A-18C/D i don't see why US Army will need it its too old for a training simulator... I don't see why a contract has to be directly for the military, or the US. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Eddie Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 i don't see why US Army will need it its too old for a training simulator... Why would the Army need a simulator of a fast jet at all? As for your other comments, I think you need to do a LOT more research.
Demongornot Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 @GGTharos You told me that every internet website lie about the avionic of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Mk1 ? Look at several website and look the avionic present on the Super Hornet, its the same ! look wikipedia and any website -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_F/A-18E/F_Super_Hornet The RADAR the RWR the Datalink the Jammer and a lot of other thing are exactly the same, i don't talk about the Super Hornet Mk3, i talk about the Mk1 ! I don't think Russian government can ask without big diplomatic problem with the USA to create a full simulator based on an American modern aircraft, the next aircraft its under military contract and its a US fighter... @Eddie That want mean that US Army use a F-104 simulator for training pilot ? Why training pilot for aircraft who will be retired in several years and when the country power depending of the modern machine... For basic familiarization ok that can be useful, but that all and US use training aircraft... @Spook Ho god please no !!! for Flying Legend yeah but not for the next DCS aircraft please... CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
GGTharos Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 @GGTharos You told me that every internet website lie about the avionic of the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet Mk1 ? ... yeah ... because 'every internet website' isn't a copy of some other 'internet website' that posted some content while not having a clue or two :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Eddie Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 The RADAR the RWR the Datalink the Jammer and a lot of other thing are exactly the same, i don't talk about the Super Hornet Mk3, i talk about the Mk1 ! The point GG is trying to get across to you is that NO website, anywhere, can be treated as an accurate source of data for any in service aircraft. Especially when it comes to things like RWR, Datalink and RADAR. They are NOT exactly the same. They might seem like it to you, as someone with no access or knowledge of the systems, but they are NOT. They might LOOK similar to a casual observer, but that does not mean they are the same.
Demongornot Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Ok you have create the Super Hornet technology and official government website and PDF are inexact... Why you don't send an email to every website in .gov who talk about the Super Hornet and say to American Government : you wrong, we know your aircraft better than you... Go look yourself, look for Super Hornet Block 1 at every website and PDF in .gov CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
Eddie Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 By your logic, a Typhoon block 2B is the 'same' as a block 8. After all, they share many systems in common and reading anything on the RAF or Eurofighter websites would suggest they are. But I can assure you, they are not. Yes, A block 1 SH might have many systems in common with a C model, but sharing systems does not mean they are the same. The internet has only half the story (at best), you'd be wise to remember that.
Demongornot Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 http://www.gao.gov/archive/1996/ns96098.pdf I talk about F/A-18C/D and F/A-18E/F and not about Block 1 and Block 2/3, the Block 1 is a modified version of the Hornet C/D for carry more weapon and obtain more range and the Super Hornet Block 1 have the same technology level and avionic than the F/A-18C/D for a lot of reason including a stupid reason : the development cost of the new avionic are not be integrated in the development cost of the aircraft. The cockpit are modernized but that all... And anyway that not change, under military contract classified version of DCS will use modern technology and integrate weapon like AIM-9X, i know A10C do that, civil version will not include that, Army can have the Block 3 variant and finally civil variant will be the Block 1 and a lot of data will be programmed by military programmer and not ED Team... Exactly like the military version of DCS A10C are not the same than the civil version and if the next aircraft will be the F/A-18C/D Hornet that will be nice too but military will have the lastest upgrade and civil the declassified upgrade... I want finally mean : its totally possible to see the Super Hornet, and anyways the civil simulator not need to be 100% accurate, anyways with stupid AI and the big list of bug that now will change a lot of things about realism, its only for private usage and not for training people... But its totally useless to ask a simulator of F/A-18C/D and i'm sure them already have one. Its like if France ask simulator for Mirage 2000 or Mirage 3... Why not Russian Army ask Mig-21 Simulator for training pilot... CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
genbrien Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 http://www.gao.gov/archive/1996/ns96098.pdf But its totally useless to ask a simulator of F/A-18C/D and i'm sure them already have one. Its like if France ask simulator for Mirage 2000 or Mirage 3... Why not Russian Army ask Mig-21 Simulator for training pilot... many contries(including Canada) have F-18C, so it may be one of the possibilities Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb
Eddie Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 many contries(including Canada) have F-18C, so it may be one of the possibilities Not to mention the fact that there doesn't have to be a military contract at all.
onehitxzibit Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) we will play F-18C in BMS........... With F-16 avionics. That's not exactly my idea of a good F-18 sim. Falcon is and will be an F-16 simulator, no matter how many different cockpits they put in, the avionics are still going to be the same across all planes. Edited February 15, 2012 by onehitxzibit
sobek Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Falcon is and will be an F-16 simulator, no matter how many different cockpits they put in, the avionics are still going to be the same across all planes. Not necessarily. If anybody can mod in separate avionics for the Bug, it's BMS. 1 Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Demongornot Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Its not the best and its really late (we wait it since long time) but maybe Seven G will coming this year ! CPU : I7 6700k, MB : MSI Z170A GAMING M3, GC : EVGA GTX 1080ti SC2 GAMING iCX, RAM : DDR4 HyperX Fury 4 x 8 Go 2666 MHz CAS 15, STORAGE : Windows 10 on SSD, games on HDDs. Hardware used for DCS : Pro, Saitek pro flight rudder, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Oculus Rift. Own : A-10C, Black Shark (BS1 to BS2), P-51D, FC3, UH-1H, Combined Arms, Mi-8MTV2, AV-8B, M-2000C, F/A-18C, Hawk T.1A Want : F-14 Tomcat, Yak-52, AJS-37, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, F-5E, MiG-21Bis, F-86F, MAC, F-16C, F-15E.
Wolfie Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Yeah, think more like F-18C. "Isn't this fun!?" - Inglorious Bastards "I rode a tank, held a general's rank / When the Blitzkrieg raged, and the bodies stank!" - Stones.
Boberro Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 I had nightmare this night - next DCS a/c will be F-4. It's popular multi role fixed wing US aircraft. Hope it doesn’t happen. What a terrible dream! :fear: That ain't bad, at least better than "prr prrr prrrr". F-4 stands in my luv planes category ^^ Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
VFA41_Lion Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 At least we'd be able to go really, really fast in a Phantom. ;)
IceFire Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 To those who think the superhornet is NOT a possibility...why the hell not ? Listen.. I'm not some fanatic who thinks that these sims are as "accurate as real life" its not gonna happen ok its a SIM.. ANY pilot will tell you there are marked differences between sim and real life avionics, behavior, weaponry..etc etc.. The Super Hornet is just an upgraded platform and avionics.. The level of classified information on the superhornet is not so much that an EXTREMELY ACCURATE (to our perception) simulation cannot be achieved.. Think about it, the AN/APG-79's performance as a radar system can be extrapolated from unclassified reports and maybe boosted by a percentage to gain a performance level not unlike the real thing... besides who, besides the pilots and engineers, know what these things REALLY do ? Surely not us, and surely not a foreign sim maker. The AN/ALR-67(V)3 - just an advanced RWR thats integrated with the ALE-55 Towed Decoy self explanitory and can be looked up on wiki for christs sake the AN/ALE-47, which is usd on ALOT of planes and choppers.. would be pretty easy to figure out how those can be applied in game... The AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR just an advanced targetting pod..upgrade the A10C's pod and you have it...woooo thats hard isnt it folks ? the JHMCS...The folks over at BMS figured that one out for a FREE SIM... what other features of the Super Hornet are so hard to figure out ? the radios ? ooooo difficult to figure THAT one out... Look put weapons on the VRS SuperBug from FSX and something for it to fight and you have DCS Super Hornet... Flight Model, come on, you know thats bullshit ok if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and fuc*'s like a duck....its a fuc*in DUCK...meaning if it FEELS right then it probably is. You can bet that ED did not have access to an A10C and get to fly it around with accellerometers to measure exact flight performance when they built this sim, If they did then more power too em because its great.. Flight model is all about what WE as the consumer guage as realistic... from what we see on youtube what we see at airshows and its all relative...An A10C pilot testing the sim will say its spot on... but an armchair general *and you know you are out there* will spout some crap he learned on defense net telling him no way thats not right... Now...the only thing that would be somewhat difficult to do is to get the carrier ops right with an LSO and a Pitching Deck for a Carrier...which they already did ! A better CVN Model with some business going on, on the deck, and you have the perfect simulation people.. and I'd pay out the nose to get it. Nuff Said.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Matt "IceFire" Schuette Commander In Chief United States Atlantic Command Virtual Carrier Air Wing Eleven
104th_Money Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 Where does carrier ops fit in nevada? :P Actually, NAS Fallon in northern Nevada is, as the US Navy states it "the Navy’s premier tactical air warfare training center." So it would be a great terrain to have if in fact the F-18C is the next jet. There is also plenty of classified equipment in the C model that we wouldnt get in the sim if it was made anyway. My father got a ride in a D model a few years back out of NAS Fallon and before he entered the cockpit they covered all of the classified equipment with duct tape. He was instructed not to tamper with the tape during the flight... Money Intel i9-13900k, Asus Z790-E Gaming Wi-fi 2 motherboard, 64gb Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR5-6400 RGB ram 2x32gb XMP2 profile, 4TB Crucial T700 PCIE 5.0 SSD internal, 2TB Crucial T700 PCIE 5.0 SSD internal, Asus ROG Strix OC GeForce RTX 4090, Corsair 7000X Case with 5 x 120mm side mounted intake fans and 3 x 140mm top mounted exhaust fans, 1 x 140mm rear mounted exhaust fans, front mounted Corsair H150i Elite Capellix 360mm liquid cooler w/Elite LCD with 6 x 120mm fans in 3 push, 3 pull intake configuration, 1 x 32" Samsung 3840x2160 display, 1x 32" Asus 2560x1440 display, TrackIR5 w/pro clip, Thrustmaster Warthog stick and throttle, CH Fighterstick Pro and Pebble Beach Velocity pedals.
Viper101 Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 The next DCS aircraft is not a Hornet, it is not a Super Hornet, it is not a Falcon, and it definitely is not a Phantom. Just stop. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Scoggs Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 How do YOU know? He doesn't... he just is a troll My SpecsAsus Maximus Hero IX Z270 i7 7700k @ 4.7GHz 32GB G.SKILL TridentZ 3700MHz DDR4 EVGA RTX 2080Ti Samsung 960 Evo 1TB M.2 NVME SSD EVGA SuperNOVA 1200 P2 Acer XB270HU 144Hz @ 1440p (IPS) Valve Index OOOOhhh, I wish I had the Alpha of a Hornet!
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