A10 & FC2 Compatibility

[Rikus]

I can´t believe A10 and FC2 are not going to be compatible, but A10 and BS yes.

 

This will separate the comunity.

 

I hope next DCS then, is a supersonic fighter (if russian better :P)

 

Greetings

[Sticky]

I can´t believe A10 and FC2 are not going to be compatible, but A10 and BS yes.

 

Are you saying you honestly cant think of a reason why?

[EvilBivol-1]

No decisions have been made regarding this question. Please don't put words into our mouths as misinformation moves quickly and easily over the net.

[OGREMAN]

A10C & FC2 NO FLY ZONE

 

I have recently realised that flying the much anticipated DCS A10c in the FLAMING CLIFFS 2 program is "unlikely", this knowledge has caused me to re-evaluate my intent to buy this A10c program.

While there are people out there who will get the A10c sim and be happy to fly it exclusively I cannot see any point in flying "Billy No Mates" in a single type sim program... which is why I did not buy "Black Shark" until it became flyable in FC2.

I would be most interested to know just how many people flying FC2/BS are being discouraged from getting the DCS A10c program for the same reason.

[shu77]

Obvious issues aside about having much simplified fighters hunting for me, I can honestly say I will still be doing my conversion to the C on the 104th server along side the F-15's and the A-10A if theres any compatibility.

Given the proposed ability to swap maps it would be nice to have the FC2 classic map and the expanded map as options to keep those guys in the fast movers in the game.

[OGREMAN]

UNLIKELY FC2 Compatability

 

This piece of information has already convinced me not to buy if there is no means of flying with the rest of the community... mainly because while I do like to fly a range of aircraft types (love the A10), I am NOT interested in flying "Billy No Mates" in a solo sim without the fast movers.

 

Part of the issue is that all important sense of community and part of the problem is that its very very inconvienient to be jumping into different programs when I want to fly a different AC.

 

Simply put... if A10c is not FC2 flyable then I wont be using it.

[Sticky]

Its not even out yet and you already made up your mind? You should at least try it, it looks like its gonna be really great. Try it and see first, otherwise you might miss out.

 

Peace

[OGREMAN]

Hi Sticky.. S! "Try it and see first, otherwise you might miss out."

 

I Take your point but you seem to have completely missed mine... when we fly any given AC... it is usual to spend a long time (several hours at a time) in that aircraft type, if then we all promptly went off to "Try it and see" then what is effectively happening is the community of pilots I have come to know and enjoy the company of (over many years/decades) will continue to be broken into ever smaller "interest groups", and all that for who's benefit?

Edited August 24, 2010 by OGREMAN
spelling error corrected

[Focha]

This piece of information has already convinced me not to buy if there is no means of flying with the rest of the community... mainly because while I do like to fly a range of aircraft types (love the A10), I am NOT interested in flying "Billy No Mates" in a solo sim without the fast movers.

 

Part of the issue is that all important sense of community and part of the problem is that its very very inconvienient to be jumping into different programs when I want to fly a different AC.

 

Simply put... if A10c is not FC2 flyable then I wont be using it.

 

Don't know why you are saying this, and I am almost, and I say, almost sure you will be one of those guys that says it won't but you will when C is release. Sorry for my assumption here. It's kind of hard to believe that you won't buy a state of the art simulator just because it will, probably, not be compatible with the previous product. Obviously would be great if ED makes it compatible. But for me, and I say me, I'll surely will get my hands on this product, even if it will not be compatible with previous products, after all I can fly FC2 when I want too. For me it's not a problem. But I guess I understand what you are trying to do. And I am sure the community will not break up regarding compatibility issues, also it's not a solo sim, you will do COOPs.

 

Regards and again sorry for my assumption.

 

EDIT:

 

 

Hi Sticky.. S! "Try it and see first, otherwise you might miss out."

 

I Take your point but you seem to have completely missed mine... when we fly any given AC... it is usual to spend a long time (several hours at a time) in that aircraft type, if then we all promptly went off to "Try it and see" then what is effectively happening is the community of pilots I have come to know and enjoy the company of (over many years/decades) will continue to be broken into ever smaller "interest groups", and all that for who's benefit?

 

FC2 is an old product and if ED does not make any sort of uniformization on the future products they will always get stuff to work on on the earlier versions. Maybe they will still do it to bring all the version up to the same level but if it starts to be a burden to upgrade FC2 then I say leave it as it is. It was already a major effort to bring it update to be compatible with Ka50 in my humble opinion.

Edited August 24, 2010 by Focha

[TheMoose]

IMO they should, not that they would, however "should" only drop FC2 once they have entered in providing a DCS fighter plane. But that's only my opinion.

 

Without the integration of FC2 with BS, well again IMO, FC2 online would almost be a "nil" right now.

 

The variation keeps it going since, well fighter "jocks" wants air to air… I for one don’t blame them. I like to swing inside a Mig from time to time and all the others for that matter… Variation is the "spice" of life lol. That is what kept LO itself being played for a decade, keeping online squadron alive.

 

Ah heck with all the limitation it initially had. It was / still is, probably the best game/sim I ever played and actually got MORE than my money worth out of it... And on the plus side ED kept supporting me throughout those years, when I requested more activation for my online purchase, they provided them.

 

Cheers ED,

 

Thanks for the continued support and awesome SIM.

 

All the best.

Edited August 25, 2010 by TheMoose

[Glowing_Amraam]

You people seem to be forgetting something..

 

Lock On Flaming Cliffs and the DCS series are 2 completely different "product lines", basically.

 

And really, whats the percentage of the people out there that will buy this sim ONLY for online play? :)

 

DCS Series = Work toghether online.

Lock On Flaming Cliffs 2 = Online on its own.

 

This is the way im betting it will be, because updating Flaming cliffs 2 constantly to keep up with the the DCS series (until maybe some fighter arrives) takes up alot of time and resources for ED.

[Sticky]

Hi Sticky.. S! "Try it and see first, otherwise you might miss out."

 

I Take your point but you seem to have completely missed mine... when we fly any given AC... it is usual to spend a long time (several hours at a time) in that aircraft type, if then we all promptly went off to "Try it and see" then what is effectively happening is the community of pilots I have come to know and enjoy the company of (over many years/decades) will continue to be broken into ever smaller "interest groups", and all that for who's benefit?

 

I understand your fears, you seem to think that DCS:WH can hurt your community of pilots if its not online compatible with FC2. Maybe you are right. IDK. But when it comes to your expectations from the developer I think you are being a little bit unrealistic. You have to think about time, money, recources, will (maybe they are just sick and tired of working with the same lockon/fc stuff after so many years) and probably many other factors which I dont know about. Even a bug/stability patch for the main product itself can have a very high price, not to mention what you are suggesting (support for an old product). I would like to see ED stay in business. What would we do without them :) Look at the ghost of Falcon4, still here, fans never really let it rest in peace. Poor thing ;) I dont want that for EDs products, instead I want new products in regular intervals. I want fresh stuff that uses new technology.

 

Anyway I understand your fears about the online community. I wish you GL!

[Sticky]

Also I think new high quality products using new technology and being released with regular intervals have a greater chance of making the online community growing in the LONG TERM, maybe you are being a little bit too short sighted with the community thing.

[capsilus]

I have recently realised that flying the much anticipated DCS A10c in the FLAMING CLIFFS 2 program is "unlikely", this knowledge has caused me to re-evaluate my intent to buy this A10c program.

While there are people out there who will get the A10c sim and be happy to fly it exclusively I cannot see any point in flying "Billy No Mates" in a single type sim program... which is why I did not buy "Black Shark" until it became flyable in FC2.

 

I would be most interested to know just how many people flying FC2/BS are being discouraged from getting the DCS A10c program for the same reason.

 

I only play FC2 myself, love the supersonic jets, not much of a BS pilot until Apache comes around, now that will be sick.

 

I got black shark anyway, I buy all the DCS games to support the only real flight sim company out there. we are talking about $50 per year to play the best sims. Come on. and A-10 Looks amazing, guarantee you won't hold out and buy it anyway. lol :D

[Rikus]

If i know that FC2 and A10 are not compatible, i won´t buy FC2, and still keep flying FC1

 

Till the day we see a super jet in DCS.

 

Why, because lot of people i know will move to A10, and flying sims alone...

 

Greetings

[Boberro]

Everybody should expect someday next DCS module will NOT be compatible with Lock on.... I don't understand problems now. Of course it'd be cool flying together but if preparings for merging LO2 and A-10C took too long, I'd rather see work on next DCS product.

[element1108]

This piece of information has already convinced me not to buy if there is no means of flying with the rest of the community... mainly because while I do like to fly a range of aircraft types (love the A10), I am NOT interested in flying "Billy No Mates" in a solo sim without the fast movers.

 

Part of the issue is that all important sense of community and part of the problem is that its very very inconvienient to be jumping into different programs when I want to fly a different AC.

 

Simply put... if A10c is not FC2 flyable then I wont be using it.

 

 

You not playing A-10C because of your thoughts on compatibility will be no ones loss but your own. The community will survive, they're not that weak or shallow to spite an outstanding sim simply because it's not compatible with an 8 year old product.

 

Communities no matter how loyal you are to them shift and change, you're actions aren't going to stop that from happening, ED's actions aren't going to stop that from happening. If it weren't for ED right now, we would have no new modern day simulation products to fly with.

 

FC2 and BS will always have compatability as of right now, no guarentee for A-10C but I am confidant the future of the DCS series WILL bring compatability with each other creating a higher fidelity simulation series. Until then I'm happy to play FC2 online and A-10C online (on it's own cooporatively) if I must.

[Distiler]

Y

And really, whats the percentage of the people out there that will buy this sim ONLY for online play? :)

 

 

It's said that the ppl that fly simulators online is only around 10% (or it was some years ago). Said that, it's also known that an important part of hype and promotion is done by that online community though word of mouth, reviews, events, etc.

 

I also think ED must do whatever is in their hands to make FC compatible with DCS series until some module can replace su-25s and two fast movers at least. If it's enough profitable and doable of course (I guess FC2 is profitable). My fingers are kept crossed.

 

It's a shame for us there is no more competition in this area of simulation.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Distiler

[104th_Crunch]

It's said that the ppl that fly simulators online is only around 10% (or it was some years ago).

 

...Just because that is the way it is today does not mean it has to stay that way. There is this little PC game called WOW that shows online play can be a big thing :) (not directed at you Distiller).

[Sanch0]

Everybody should expect someday next DCS module will NOT be compatible with Lock on.... I don't understand problems now. Of course it'd be cool flying together but if preparings for merging LO2 and A-10C took too long, I'd rather see work on next DCS product.

 

Personally I'd rather see next DCS aircraft earlier than compatibility DCS <=> FC2 if it will have impact on work time on the next DCS module.

[HiJack]

For a few months we will survive with just A-10C and Ka-50 as the player flyable in DCS but eventually I think all player flyable aircrafts in FC1 and FC2 needs to be ported to DCS if ED wants all players to follow. If not I think the community will be split and spread across other different sim’s. Why exactly did FC2 not come in the DCS platform?

[element1108]

For a few months we will survive with just A-10C and Ka-50 as the player flyable in DCS but eventually I think all player flyable aircrafts in FC1 and FC2 needs to be ported to DCS if ED wants all players to follow. If not I think the community will be split and spread across other different sim’s. Why exactly did FC2 not come in the DCS platform?

 

There's no point trying to explain why ED SHOULD do this. They're aware of the reasons why it would be beneficial to continually update FC2 to keep the "community unified". They're also aware of the more intimate details such as costs and resources involved in making the transition.

 

There's nothing we can do but repeat ourselves over and over until 1) A-10C gets released and 2) announcement is made whether or not it's possible to make A-10C compatible with FC2.

 

Generally speaking, personal comments such as "I'm not going to buy this game until compatibility is made" serve nothing more than flame fodder. Absolutely nothing is final yet, hell, DCS A-10C isn't even out yet so lets take it easy a bit until more information is made available.

 

(HIJACK) Not directed at you directly, just generally speaking. :)

[HiJack]

Agree on that element1108 ;)

[Bucic]

Isn't it simple? ED makes a decision. Then if FC2 will not be brought up to DCS compatibility you either play unpatched DCS BS with FC2 or patched DCS BS with DCS A-10C WH guys. I can only hope that ED will drop FC2 compatibility with DCS if it would cause even two weeks of extra working hours.

 

Plus I wouldn't hold my breath for an official announcement as I wouldn't be surprised if ED were leaving the decision for after the Warthog release.

[Scabbers]

In my humble opinion. Put the time in a combined campaign for the dcs series. Even a dynamic campaign at a later date.

 

FC2 is already dated and showing its age for a newer product that it is. That is not a slam on FC2. FC2 is a great line in its own. I have played everything from the original su-25 to lock on to fc1 and on.

 

If someone is making a decision this early to not play a game then they are half cocked and should be left to their own devices and not for us to debate.

 

As for WOW I play it and will stop when A10 is released for I plan to rebuild my pit and get back into fulltime flying.

 

Scabs