Who's a Falcon user

[BoneDust]

I'm just curious how many F4 fans have actually pre-purchased the A10 and what you think of it?

 

cheers

[ShalashakaDS]

i think im not going back to falcon. lol

[dave4002000]

I've been flying Falcon for ages..the only reason i've stayed with it so long was because of the extremely high fidelity of the systems. Now we have that fidelity along with amazing graphics.

 

90% of the sorties i fly in falcon are strike missions anyway, so i think the a-10 will replace it very nicely ;)

[jctrnacty]

Yes, good ol falcon , instead of learning for gynaecology exam, i was playing falcon 4 SP4 :-))))

....then freefalcon....and then.......Openfalcon

 

and now ....DCS Warthog

[StageFright]

Loved FreeFalcon 5 but I think its days for me are over. It just can't keep up with graphics. I heard rumors that Benchmark Sims is suppose to be upgrading Falcon to DX9 shown here... http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTcyNjc1MjY0.html

If that happens, then i might go back to check it out. But who knows when that will be....

[sungsam]

I groaned up with Falcon ! Even thou I own FC2/BS/A10C, I'll stop Falcon only if ED publish the F16.

[MasterZelgadis]

Falcon Pilot here...

"Played" the first Faclon 4.0 "game" when it was released in 1998. Then after a long break I rediscovered it, finding out that it became the greatest FlightSim in the world.

 

Just preordered DSC A10 and I am looking forward to test it. Fortunately, I got 3 weeks vacation from Monday on ;)

[rocketeer]

Falcon was good and detailed at its time, but its really dated now. DCS 10C is even more complex and better graphics. I haven't played Falcon since Lock On came out.

[MasterZelgadis]

Well, there is one thing that I would wish to see in new Flight Sims. The dynamic campaign.

 

Why does LockOn, Black Shark, A10.. not feature a dynamic campaign?

 

That's why Falcon and Enemy Engaged will never be outdated for me...

[lucioperca]

I dont think you cancompare the two really Falcon has its campaign engine and DX7 this has DX9 and 10 and no campaign, I actually think A10 has more realistic avionics than Falcon by the time I learn how to fly it properly they probably will have a dynamic campaign engine.

I wont stop flying Falcon because of this I will fly both.

[159th_Viper]

 

Why does LockOn, Black Shark, A10.. not feature a dynamic campaign?

 

...

 

You ask Why Not - I ask Why?

 

From a personal point-of-view, based solely in my experience as an Infantry Soldier/Platoon Commander, we had a job to do and we did it. We got called to orders, were briefed by the relevant Company Commander and that was it - My Platoon had Operational Duty XXX to perform. We went out and got the job done and RTB'd.

 

At that stage we were not aware of the circumstances/bigger picture surrounding the Operation at all - you had your job, did it and said a word of thanx afterwards that you're here to reflect on a job done.

 

Now I'm assuming here that it works pretty much the same for a Hog-Pilot today. He's in the ready-tent and gets an order to scramble. All he knows is that he has to get into the air and haul ass to Vector XXXX to lay down some 30mm headache-tablets in order to aid Soldiers on the ground who are in dire straits. Job done, he RTB's and awaits his next sortie.

 

Now my question: What is Dynamic about that that cannot be addressed by the Dynamic Mission Generator? How does RL accord with a Dynamic Campaign more than it does with the above illustrations.?

 

I would dare say that a Dynamic Campaign is 'less real' if one has regard to the Virtual Pilot and the Job he has that you are attempting to perform from the comfort of your PC-Recliner. Sure, if you're attempting to be a 'Supreme Battlefield Commander' the dynamic campaign might aid. I however cannot help but surmise that the Dynamic Campaign cannot find applicability in the Conflict of today that the A10C is embroiled in, certainly not to the exclusion of the DMG which I would say does the job just as good, if not better.

 

 

Just to qualify - a personal opinion and not an attempt to start a debate re pro's and con's of either :)

[Mirtma]

Oh, yes... Falcon... I was young when I've first try it. And impatient. Tried it again some years later and stayed with it for a long time. Since then I love flightsims. And of course, already flying A10 beta.

[MasterZelgadis]

A dynamic campaign would be the same. You get a mission, have to get the job done, RTB, do the next mission.

 

After all, A10 is a "game", and I like to see, what my actions caused in that game. I somehow influence the campaign with my mission. When I destroy an airfield, no fighters will scramble from there.

In a linear campaign it doesn't matter whether I destroy the airfield or not. It only affects the current mission.

 

In real life you support your comrades on the ground, you fly missions, because you get orders to do so, and after all, because you get paid for it.

In the "game" there would be no reason to fly the same missions over and over again.

 

In Falcon every campaign was unique, it was a living battlefield and you could take any role in it.

Personally I prefer that, even if it is not as real as waiting in a ready tent... ;)

[ShalashakaDS]

We cant start a topic without falling into the dynamic campaing thing? No offense, but i sugest that anyone who is willing to post anything about a dynamic campaing make good use of the search function on this foruns, both the guys that want it and those that doesnt have spent countless posts discussing the whys and why not. If you do a proper search at least you may notice an argument that hasnt been used dozens of times and bring a new view on this subject.

[MasterZelgadis]

We cant start a topic without falling into the dynamic campaing thing? No offense, but i sugest that anyone who is willing to post anything about a dynamic campaing make good use of the search function on this foruns, both the guys that want it and those that doesnt have spent countless posts discussing the whys and why not. If you do a proper search at least you may notice an argument that hasnt been used dozens of times and bring a new view on this subject.

 

I'm just curious how many F4 fans have actually pre-purchased the A10 and what you think of it?

 

cheers

 

I just answered the question, and the dynamic campaign is one thing I miss in A10. So it was not as off topic as you make it here... no offense..

[ShalashakaDS]

Sorry, my coment wasnt aimed at you, i was talking in general.

[MasterZelgadis]

Okay, no problem ;)

[therion_prime]

Sorry but the dynamic campaign is one of the best things in F4.

IMO the "handmade" campaigns and missions in DCS are much more sterile and inferior. F4 feels "alive".

 

I know it has been discussed to death in this forum, but I don't agree with the developers on this topic and I know I'm not alone with this sentiment.

Far from alone.

[sobek]

Sorry but the dynamic campaign is one of the best things in F4.

IMO the "handmade" campaigns and missions in DCS are much more sterile and inferior. F4 feels "alive".

 

I agree with you on the part of sterility, inferiority not so.

 

I also agree that the dynamic campaign actually gives you the sense that your actions matter in a way that the current system simply cannot, because the mission is not generated from the last one.

 

However, there are 2 things that have to be looked at:

 

1. Falcon featured the bubble, which is simply an out of the question method to cope with high unit counts, because it introduces a set of problems that, for ED, are highly undesireable. [my opinion] Probably one of the most important reasons why a dynamic campaign is not happening atm is because current systems can not handle it in a way that ED imagine. [/my opinion]

 

2. The Falcon campaign engine, as much hiatus as it may create, features a sh** for brains AI, and no rose-collored glasses can distract from that. When all the guys that say 'oh a dynamic campaign is so easy to realise, look at MP, they did it in 98' let rip their brainfarts, what they actually forget is that, while it creates a nice atmosphere of 'sh** hitting the fan' and being in the middle of things, it also creates all sorts of highly unrealistic idiotic suicide missions that every mission planer who's in his right mind would kill himself for.

 

So, taking away the nostalgia and past glorification, what i propose is that ED do a dynamic campaign for it's immersion factor, but only at a time when resources allow to do it without crutches and shortcuts and to the high quality standards for which they enjoy their high reputation.

[Steel Jaw]

Been with Falcon since 1988. Ready to finally give it up for this here A10..

 

Except ... there is a new BMS in existence that uses DX9 and if or when that appears I may do both.

[therion_prime]

So, taking away the nostalgia and past glorification, what i propose is that ED do a dynamic campaign for it's immersion factor, but only at a time when resources allow to do it without crutches and shortcuts and to the high quality standards for which they enjoy their high reputation.

 

Agreed.

 

btw. Sobek, I just saw your new "ED translator" status.

Are you in charge of the german translation?

[sobek]

Are you in charge of the german translation?

 

I'm not in charge, i am merely contributing.

[CobaltUK]

I would be interested to know what percentage of Black Shark buyers have it on their hard drives 6 months later. Ive seen familiar 'faces' on these and other forums that were very vocal in praise at the start but since turned to opposite. The same may end up true with A10

 

For all its shortcomings FALCON in all its guises has enough soul and immersion to draw simmers back time and again.

[CrashEd]

For all its shortcomings FALCON in all its guises has enough soul and immersion to draw simmers back time and again.

 

Indeed, I got back into Falcon several months ago while I was waiting for the release of the A-10C. It was a bit like meeting up with an old friend ;) FC2 just didn't cut it for me campaign-wise and I soon got bored, so it I'll be interesting to see whether the A-10C campaign has me reaching for the Falcon manual again. In terms of a study sim and quality of graphics, so far the A-10C seems to be second to none.

[jakobole]

F4 fart here. Formerly known as "Vip" on frugalsworld...