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http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-leader-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

 

North Korean leader Kim Jong Il is dead, North Korean state TV said Monday. Kim, 69, died at 8:30 a.m. Saturday, state TV said.

A broadcaster reported that Kim died due to "overwork" after "dedicating his life to the people."

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South Korea's military declared an "emergency alert" following Kim's death, according to Yonhap.
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Too bad Kim Jong-nam defied his dad one too many times and was removed as the heir to rule.

 

Now we'll have that maniac Kim Jong-un to deal with. Could be benign, could be bad. Just have to wait and see if the kid even gets the title to rule. With the old man gone, the seat is up for the political taking.

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North Korea Situation

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2011/12/201112193620221153.html

 

North Korea's Kim Jong-il dead at 69

Secretive nation's "Dear Leader" dies after massive heart attack, reports say, prompting outpour of national mourning.

Last Modified: 19 Dec 2011 06:21

Kim Jong-il, the leader of North Korea, has died at the age of 69 after suffering a heart attack, North Korean state media has announced.

Kim, known in the communist country as the "Dear Leader", died on Saturday aboard a train during a trip out of Pyongyang, the state-run KCNA news agency said on Monday.

"It is the biggest loss for the party ... and it is our people and nation's biggest sadness," a tearful presenter said as she announced the death on state television.

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2011/12/201112197258668900.html

 

South Korean military placed on high alert

President Lee Myung-Bak calls for calm and convenes emergency security council as Seoul reacts to Kim Jong-il's death.

 

 

South Korean President Lee Myung-Bak has called for calm as the country’s military was placed on high alert in the wake of the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il.

 

"President Lee (Myung-Bak) urged the public to go about their usual economic activities without turbulence," a senior presidential official told a televised news conference on Monday.

 

Following news of Kim's death, Lee convened an emergency national security council meeting and ordered all government officials on emergency response status, meaning they are restricted from taking leave or travelling.

 

"All Blue House [parliament] officials are in emergency mode," a presidential spokesman said.

 

North and South Korea have remained technically at war since their three-year Korean conflict was ended by an armistice in 1953 and the demilitarised zone that separates the two is considered the most heavily fortified frontiers in the world.

 

The spokesman said Lee had spoken to US President Barack Obama about two hours after Kim's death was announced by the North's state media at noon (0300 GMT).

 

"The two leaders agreed to closely co-operate and monitor the situation together," a presidential spokesman said.

 

Lee was also due to speak with Yoshihiko Noda, the Japanese prime minister, Jiji news agency reported, citing Japanese government sources.

 

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2011/12/2011121953346503215.html

 

Reactions: Kim Jong-il's death

Japan "expresses condolences" over North Korean leader's death, while White House says it is "monitoring developments".

Last Modified: 19 Dec 2011 07:26

 

Kim Jong-il, centre, with his son Kim Jong-un, left, in a photo released by North Korean state media in May 2011 [EPA]

International reaction to the announcement on Monday of the death of Kim Jong-il, the North Korean leader.

 

Jay Carney, the White House spokesman

We are closely monitoring reports that Kim Jong-Il is dead.

 

The President has been notified, and we are in close touch with our allies in South Korea and Japan. We remain committed to stability on the Korean peninsula, and to the freedom and security of our allies.

 

Osamu Fujimura, Japan's top government spokesman

We express our condolences upon receiving the announcement of the sudden passing of Kim Jong-Il, the chairman of the National Defence Committee of North Korea.

 

The Japanese government hopes that this unexpected development would not bring any adverse impact on the peace and stability of the Korean peninsula.

 

Liu Weimin, China's foreign ministry spokesman

We are shocked to learn that Democratic People's Republic of Korea [DPRK] top leader comrade Kim Jong Il passed away and we hereby express our deep condolences on his demise and send sincere regards to the DPRK people.

 

Kevin Rudd, Australia’s foreign minister

Two critical points need to be emphasised at this important time. The first is that all governments, including the government of North Korea, should at this time be exercising maximum calm and restraint both in terms of what they do and in their diplomatic signalling.

 

It is at times like this that we cannot afford to have any wrong or ambiguous signalling.

 

This time also presents an important opportunity to the new North Korean leadership to engage fully with the international community on how to improve their economy in order to properly feed their people and critically on how to deal with the outstanding problem of North Korea's nuclear weapons programme.

 

Don Manzullo, chairman of the US House foreign affairs subcommittee on East Asia

 

Kim Jong-Il was the epitome of evil, a dictator of the worst kind who ruled his country with an iron fist and dished out constant pain and misery to his people.

 

We hope his passing will mark a new chapter for North Korea. This is an opportunity for North Korea to emerge from its cycle of oppression and walk down a new path toward democracy.

 

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people getting told to do it, dont forget.

 

Yep, nobody liked him, his own momma didn't like him.

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^ Would be nice. The BMS mob must be salivating.

 

Sometimes the propaganda and indoctrination can be so extreme that some people may actually feel they have lost a father, even if a horrible one. Then in a crowd, group think and hysteria can take over, and forced crying can turn into actual wailing.

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Well, he had been in ill health for quite a while and his lifestyle wasn't exactly one that promoted longevity. Nothing weird in him dying at 69/70 with that considered.

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Indeed.

 

The system in place is such that those who currently hold power relied to a huge extent specifically on Kim Jong-Il for their position. Removing him would not gain them anything. (And besides, qui bono reasoning is the path to silly conspiracy theories.) Remember, this is not the Soviet Union where you can maneuver the polit bureou to oust a chairman and replace him, as far as the absolute top levels go, it's what the Kims say that goes. (And similarly, eligibility to those highest positions is tightly connected to who you and your family is - most specifically whether you can trace your ancestry to any of the guerilla fighters that fought the Japanese side-by-side with Kim Il-Sung. However, removing the Kims would remove that factor from the equation, meaning that only those who are not in a position to stage a palace coup would have anything to gain from it.)

 

This all comes down to how the system operates over there - there are very very few people who stand the opportunity to advance themselves to the top, and those for whom this would be true would not gain much from it. The one with any chance to gain would be Ri Yong Ho, who is (currently) Kim Yong-Un's "equal" in the CMC in the WPK, but his only prospect at actual advance from this would be through using Kim Yong-Un as a sort of "puppet" for a while. But with Kim Yong-Un being pretty much guaranteed to be appointed chairman, anything like that could easily be a way for Ri to get himself purged instead.

 

I think you are basically speaking from an incomplete understanding of how DPRK upper echelon politics work (as a pure coincidence, I've spent a large part of this last year studying that), and the kind of life Kim Jong-Il led. You don't need a palace coup to die at that age, all you need is to drink what Kim drank (in those quantities - he personally spent almost a million dollars per year on Hennesy Cognac, for example), smoke what he did, eat what he ate, and no-one would be surprised at you dying even if you lived in the US and had the finances of Bill Gates. (Consider that Steve Jobs lived a relatively healthy life, and still died while more than a decade Kim's junior.)

 

Occam's Razor. ;)


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people getting told to do it, dont forget.

 

You are underestimating the system. ;)

Sure, it might not be 100% genuine in 100% of cases, but in general people in the DPRK actually do love their leader.

 

That said, let's try to keep this to the actual military aspect in this thread, ok?

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