DCS: P-51D Mustang Coming in 2012

[Booger]

After reading through this thread, the general thinking seems to be very positive, but I don't understand the odd person that's really angry because the P51D doesn't fit in with the DCS era at all.

 

Because we fly modern aircraft in a modern day environment. It's pretty easy to understand their frustration. At the same time, DCS isn't based on a WWII theme.

 

This is great news for the die-hard P-51 fans, but not so great for the die-hard WWII crowd. Mind you, the announcement only presented the plane itself, nothing more.

 

This is why some of us have asked that ED at least throw a bone to that group and add WWII equipment & a map (even partial) where the WWII junkies can enjoy a somewhat realistic environmental experience for their pew pew time.

 

Were the same points not raised for the A-10/Nevada map?

[Cedaway]

I'm quite sure this question will not be answered soon but:

DCS A-10c and DCS Black Shark were delivered with missions, campaigns, enemies to kill,... the aircrafts the player fly are placed in context. (I think it's quite mandatory to fly without get bored after 10hrs 'cargo flights' missions)

 

So the question is:

- Will the product be shipped with a contextualisation, missions, campaign,... or will the P-51d be just dropped in the DCS environnement without anything else?

 

Thanks for the answer... or not;)

[narfnarf]

As a fan of DCS this breaks my heart to hear. Enjoy the P-51! I certainly will try to. But the mere suggestion of adding it to the modern battlefield makes a mockery of all that DSC has meant. THIS is what i meant when I said that I hope the products are separate--they should be online incompatable. REMEMBER when I suggested a common laser code between the Ka50 and the WH? I got my arse handed to me by some beta testers. EVEN THAT little suggestion--to sacrifice a teeny bit of reality for playability--bespoiled the marriage to realism that was the backbone of DCS. But mixing the P-51 in is COOL, fun, creative, etc!?

 

And that makes sense. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

First, you have accurately modelled aircraft. No sacrifices are made here, so no changes to laser codes and stuff.

Second, you have scenarios which may or may not be realistic. And while ED may provide some mission this is up to the user/community in the end...

[Flyby]

What's in your wallet?

 

The final point on DCS's checklist may be "Did it sell well enough to continue this line?" People will vote with their wallets, and that will decide the future of such endeavors. So, go vote!:smilewink:

Flyby out

[Nate--IRL--]

I'm quite sure this question will not be answered soon but:

DCS A-10c and DCS Black Shark were delivered with missions, campaigns, enemies to kill,... the aircrafts the player fly are placed in context. (I think it's quite mandatory to fly without get bored after 10hrs 'cargo flights' missions)

 

So the question is:

- Will the product be shipped with a contextualisation, missions, campaign,... or will the P-51d be just dropped in the DCS environnement without anything else?

 

Thanks for the answer... or not;)

 

Not sure exactly what you mean by contextualisation - WW2 models? - but I'd be very surprised if there weren't missions and a campaign included plus other things to do.

 

Nate

[sylkhan]

The final point on DCS's checklist may be "Did it sell well enough to continue this line?" People will vote with their wallets, and that will decide the future of such endeavors. So, go vote!:smilewink:

Flyby out

+1

[Cali]

The final point on DCS's checklist may be "Did it sell well enough to continue this line?" People will vote with their wallets, and that will decide the future of such endeavors. So, go vote!:smilewink:

Flyby out

 

There was a poll somewhere, but I can't find it now, has it been deleted?

[sylkhan]

 

I don't think this "internal tech demo" being released publicly means some sea change in DCS's future products, they're just going to make paper off something they have lying around.

 

mmmh..If this product sells very well and you are a developper, what do you do?

[effte]

If I wanted a high-fidelity recreation of a turboprop aircraft I'd rather have the Skyraider

 

Finally an informed opinion from someone who knows his vintage aircraft. We better listen...

 

(The voices told me to do it.)

[effte]

2-Ship Mutual Support! ;)

 

Even more up the infamous creek without a paddle against two Mustangs, you mean? ;)

 

Edit: Kidding aside, specific excess power is the name of the game and according to the figure given above, the A-10 has about twice as much of it if speeds can be chosen at will.

[Sanch0]

I believe P-51D is being developed and thrown into DCS current world only because some rich guy from TFC requested it, not that DCS community wished to have it developed and pay for it ;)

I can agree with you in some way...

[Boberro]

The P51D is a legendary aircraft, why would you NOT want it? It's one of the best prop planes made, and when it's modelled to DCS levels of complexity it'd be brilliant to experience something completely different. IL2 is childs play compared to this.

So then why don't The Wrights Brothers plane? It was the first plane in the world... the epic moment in the flight industry... and it is much more different to the Pony.

 

Even if there isn't time specific campaigns and scenarios for the P51D, it'll fit in just fine with the A10C and the KA50, yes it's not a jet its a prop blah blah, but I mean, going by technical capabilities I can see a lot of A10Cs and KA50's going down at the hands of P51 Pilots, consider this:

P51D Mustang

Maximum speed: 437 mph (703 km/h)

 

KA50 Black Shark

Maximum speed: 196 mph (315 km/h)

 

Ka-50 can fly 600 kph :D

 

Just a few important specs, and yes the Warthog and KA50 have a technological and an endurance advantage, but realistically I'd say the P51D is a fair bit more manauverable. It's going to be close calls, but the A10C pilots who are brushing off the P51 are going to be suprised.

Yeah missions then will be very realistic. Flying II WW plane around T-90s and perhaps BUKs lol. It can be fun once, twice, third not really.

I heard some enjoy flying this museum around Shilkas.... I remind even Shilka could chopp eaisily this tractor.

 

That plane just doesn't fit in modern DCS. It would with DCS equipped by historic architecture, terrain, world.

 

Some time ago there was a poll for which aircraft to put in flying legends series and p51 was most voted. Stop blaming dcs.

 

EDIT: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=83190 link !

 

P.S. as you can see it was the 20 december 2011. Stop blaming dcs and no excuses now. YOU decided for THIS.

 

Since when forum pools have any significant influence on company's decisions :)

[104th_Cobra]

OK guys, it's time to read for some ideas!

 

1vs1, Similar Aircraft. Dissimilar Weapons. Page 128.

1vs1, Dissimilar Aircraft. Page 139.

Robert L. Shaw: Fighter Combat

 

Aside to get in range of a ZSU-23-4, are you sure it will be no fun? ;)

[Boberro]

CASUALLY, p51 was most voted. Proof that eagle dynamics listen to us.

 

What proof? Proof of what...

[Bearitall]

OK guys, it's time to read for some ideas!

 

1vs1, Similar Aircraft. Dissimilar Weapons. Page 128.

1vs1, Dissimilar Aircraft. Page 139.

Robert L. Shaw: Fighter Combat

 

Aside to get in range of a ZSU-23-4, are you sure it will be no fun? ;)

 

 

I am already starting to set that up over at TCL-Team Combat League (www.teamcombatleague.com)

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1380499#post1380499

[PeterP]

Why this whining and repeating the same again and again...?- in a thread you even are not interested at all... ?

 

Fact is that ED had this aircraft under development since many years.

 

You all are free to vote with your pocket and than decide if you want to enter a MP server which has the P-51D available.

No one will force you to step in this.

 

But what's a real mystery to me is that some of you really dismiss the fact that this is probably the most realistic simulation of a War-bird that is ever created and will be available to you. - many are waiting exactly for this since many,many years ,

and much more even aren't aware up to now that this will become reality in a short time-span.

 

And most of them aren't questioning in the first place if there is something historical to shoot at - they will be happy to have a FM they can believe and a motor management that is not simplified.

 

You all should visit on a regular basis the Russians forums (I do it with a translator) - this is far more enlightening than reading these short-minded comments some here are doing , that are based on false assumption and speculation.

 

P51D is not your cup of tea?! - that's absolute OK.

You will get your afterburner!

But why some of you debating here like ED owes you something and treating you in a wrong way?

:huh:

[sobek]

CASUALLY, p51 was most voted. Proof that eagle dynamics listen to us.

 

Correlation and causality. Look up the difference, m8. :)

[Booger]

Is no one forming The Virtual Horsemen Aerobatic Team?

[HiJack]

Some time ago there was a poll for which aircraft to put in flying legends series and p51 was most voted. Stop blaming dcs.

 

EDIT: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=83190 link !

 

P.S. as you can see it was the 20 december 2011. Stop blaming dcs and no excuses now. YOU decided for THIS.

Yes! And here we are and we are proud of it!

///Rage, 2IAE-CrashBG, 33rd_Razorblade, Agg, amigastar, Aviators, beaupower32, Bedouin, BittleRyan, Blaze, bot, castor, Charlie58, ChrisParker, Cyph3r, delta9856, Dusty Rhodes, element1108, Emmer, f-18hornet, falconbr, FWind, gabuzomeu, Gandalf_56, GGM, graywo1fg, HiJack, hog_driver111th, jp203000, kutthoat5150, LAB, luch4, LZ_Xray, manfrez01, MotoX Racer, nerves, Nu-NRG, Orsi, Patriot*CFS*, PeterP, Phantom453, Pougatchev, RAF74_Raptor, Sanch0, sandman330, Scooternutz, Skycelik, TheNewDivide91, Tyger, VJS161_Fire, vrukanlo, WarthogSmurf, Weidlich, wess24m, Wichid

 

(HJ)

[HiJack]

Some time ago there was a poll for which aircraft to put in flying legends series and p51 was most voted. Stop blaming dcs.

 

EDIT: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=83190 link !

 

P.S. as you can see it was the 20 december 2011. Stop blaming dcs and no excuses now. YOU decided for THIS.

You are listed under the "Republic P-47 Thunderbolt" secret ;)

[HiJack]

And ? I actually approve every plane they make. But this guys now start flaming to ED because of its choice, when they should ask the community why they voted for the p51 in that pool.

Sure. I voted because FSX is crap. IL-2 is crap. BoB is crap. ...........

 

(HJ)

[dooom]

 

I have two personal wishes for this new series: Pacific War with carrier ops, and a flyable DCS:B-17.

 

Go ED!

 

THIS is such an awesome idea!!!! It would be a compatively easy theater to produce as the land mass is limited. Big work for carriers and task forces but damn... DCS Midway would be amazing!!!

 

I can only imagine the awesomeness of radio navigation over the wide expanses of Pacific blue now...

[PeterP]

So

Since when forum pools have any significant influence on company's decisions

CASUALLY, p51 was most voted. Proof that eagle dynamics listen to us.

 

Correlation and causality. Look up the difference, m8. :)

 

I think that sobek simply want to say that you shouldn't confuse cause and effect.

 

And Boberro is right - when member made forum polls would really decide what ED has to do :

We would already face some quick made Fighter-planes made without realistic avionics, loosely based on assumption - and this forum wouldn't be open any more...

 

So, secret1962, this poll isn't a proof per se... - I'm sure ED is listening, but they don't do what we want because we says so.

 

- I'm glad that this poll made the right decision , but as other and I already said:

The P-51D has gone a long way already.

And these that are able to read between the lines would have known this long before this announcement was made.

 

And everyone should be rally happy that there is a developer that is independent enough to make decisions like this. - without a publisher that simply says: "Do what you are paid for and stop making banana suggestions - this will bring no money!"

 

Just try to imagine how future developments will benefit from the work that is already accomplished...

 

So I can't get the reactions of some of you ... If you are unhappy - be unhappy!

(@ sanch0 & co - if you really want to add something and really want to be taken serious.. - please do it in another way than simply quoting someone else and typing five words... this is not Twitter!)

 

But why you can't understand that not everyone has the same felling about it like you?!

...and I only can repeat myself: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1381022#post1381022

[Frostie]

Yes! And here we are and we are proud of it!

 

(HJ)

 

 

 

And here we are, the so close but darn it, few.

 

1stclcaba, 21GT_Tigre, 59th_Buncsi, ALDEGA, alfredo_laredo, Bushmanni, Divide Et Impera, Dustoff74, Esac_mirmidon, FCS_Heater, Ghanja, Ich666, Isegrim, Kegetys, Krisztian5, kylania, LostOblivion, MadBadMan, Marmusman, pelmo76, Pyroflash, red.devil, Rikus, robmypro, Schnarre [Aggro], TOMCATZ, Toxe, Verto6, wolfstriked, Xpto, zaelu

=4c=Nikola, BIGNEWY, Cedaway, Chrisakky, diveplane, Dr Tran, Duke, ebabil, ergn, Frostie, Inseckt, Jasky, Kalahari, KillarZ, lennycutler, LupinYonder, Nightmare, NRG-Vampire, Nybble, onehitxzibit, Panthro, Rony, Scoggs, Seaswift, Sepdawg, skoner, Speed, Stratos, sungsam, Teknetinium, TurboHog, Wagner, YorZor, Zulu

Crashmo, dooom, effte, flanker0ne, ijozic, JaBoG_Schleudi, krazybiskit, Milene, nightfalcon, SNAFU, speckfire, Tornado_Pilot, walker450, Yo-Yo

alexal, Dr_Arrow, Flаnker, ivanDurak, LynX, midju, msalama, slug88

Aries, Depth, Dogo, elchacal, Selector

beynesairforce, BrumTx, BTTW-DratsaB, Buzpilot, Dude77, empeck, Gaanalma, garengarch, Geskes, GGTharos, Machinist, MTFDarkEagle, MVS=okie=, narfnarf, Nobody96, Noraf, NotiA10, Scout, slamraamproductions, Speedbrake, Torment, VIKBELL, ZQuickSilverZ

141st_casper, 141st_Eko1, 159_Archer, =UAb=Hedgehog, bartleby, BigMotor, Birddog1, derelor, Diemos, genbrien, Golo, Heater, Innerloop, joey45, july865, Krebs20, leafer, Luse, Moa, Phantom88, pira, Schizwiz, SchneeFee, shadowze, ShalashakaDS, Shein, slowhand, SVKSniper, thaisocom, The_GhostRider, VincentLaw, vrv, weasel75, Yps

-Hammer-, b00ce, Demongornot, Flockzap, miguelaco, Ninefinger, recofsky_sergio, secret1962, Shnider, Svend_Dellepude, Wild Weasel

159th_Falcon, 238thFalcon, Mastiff

 

We should have all gone Yak-3. :doh:

[f-18hornet]

I believe Mustang will be big success and I will buy it anyway but in my eyes new jet fighter jet doesn't matter if F/A-18 or F-16 or whatever is bigger priority for me.:joystick: