Boberro Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Hey, In DCS World I seem to lose more Vikhrs than usual and I decided to glance at the problem. Don't know it is *that* but it seems so. When we fire Vikhr, it ejects from the tube launcher - however its launch is weird. Angle of ejection from the tube is lower than tube itself. See pictures: I flew stable level and speed. You see red line as it should be when we look at tube launcher position and angle. Yellow line is where missile goes after ejection - it is lower than tube itself, physically impossible.... Here pic from the cockpit - as you see missile will not go to the center of circle, where should be. Here I dive - you see "LA" (it is automated, I didn't override "LA" permission). If LA, it means it is OK. But it is not - as you see missile didn't go to the center of the circle. It went much lower. So I had "LA" and lost missile? It just went off rail lower than it should :) Please fix it either by correcting launch angle of missile or lowering laser beam and circle mark on the HUD to allow missile "catch" laser's beam. 1 Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Esac_mirmidon Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Great post boberro, i have severe headaches because this weird Vikrh behaviour now. No matter what i do, i always have more than 30% fail missiles in every mission doing exactly the same things in every launching " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
71st_Mastiff Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Thank you sir, thats is exactly what is happening. In the Black Shark2 same issue. :thumbup: "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
Dr_Arrow Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Thank you sir, thats is exactly what is happening. In the Black Shark2 same issue. :thumbup: well I hope that it will be fixed in the nearest patch together with the cockpit of Su-25T.
Nate--IRL-- Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Interesting - I'll play with this later when I get a chance. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
71st_Mastiff Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Ok ran the BS2 again and all vikrs seem to work fine its just the SU25T having an issue. :thumbup: "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
HiJack Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Great report there Boberro! I was strugling with the Vikhrs also, glad it was not just me then ;)
Boulund Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 This issue has been observed in this thread also: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=88625 Nice that you did some investigation into the issue! Core i5-760 @ 3.6Ghz, 4GB DDR3, Geforce GTX470, Samsung SATA HDD, Dell UH2311H 1920x1080, Saitek X52 Pro., FreeTrack homemade cap w/ LifeCam VX-1000, Windows 7 Professional x64 SP1. FreeTrack in DCS A10C (64bit): samttheeagle's headtracker.dll
Nate--IRL-- Posted May 23, 2012 Posted May 23, 2012 Reported - no promises it will be fixed though. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Boberro Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 I hope it will, as same as AA mode for Vikhrs :E Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Nate--IRL-- Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I hope it will, as same as AA mode for Vikhrs :E Could you explain the AA problem - do you think it is related? Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
Boberro Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 It's just "feature" - Ka-50 has AA mode for Vikhr, it'd be nice to have it in 25T too.... but I know it is unlikely hmm Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
71st_Mastiff Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 It's just "feature" - Ka-50 has AA mode for Vikhr, it'd be nice to have it in 25T too.... but I know it is unlikely hmm is that on the SU25T? as it does have R60m's...Although it would make since going after helicopters and such. "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
Boberro Posted May 24, 2012 Author Posted May 24, 2012 Unfortunately it is unknown. However Vikhr is stated to "intercept" flying targets up to 800 km\h. Why couldn't T-Toad use such feature as well? It just sets fuse up ^^ But it is only a guess, for me quite logic though:) Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
SESova Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 (edited) Yes,i have also problems with Vikhor missiles.I do everythig OK,plane is still,but missile just go down and miss the target.Lots of missiles ar bad egg. Edited May 24, 2012 by 159th_Viper 1.10 Смрт фашизму,слобода народу!
71st_Mastiff Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 your right the center circle just keeps far left or right not aligning itself with the laser for tracking to target. on the Ka50. The vikrs rack is supposed to move or articulate. :thumbup: "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
Dr_Arrow Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Reported - no promises it will be fixed though. Nate Well, this doesn't sound too promising. I think this needs fixing and it doesn't look like some complicated fix. VIKHR is very important weapon for Su-25T and many fly this aircraft exclusively, anyway Ka-50 can be also affected.
Nate--IRL-- Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 Well, this doesn't sound too promising. I think this needs fixing and it doesn't look like some complicated fix. VIKHR is very important weapon for Su-25T and many fly this aircraft exclusively, anyway Ka-50 can be also affected. Any bug I report is not guaranteed to be fixed - I have no control over what gets fixed - at all - I simply report them to ED. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
spn Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 DCS World/Blackshark 2/ HUD Display, Shkval Using Vikhr Missles Any bug I report is not guaranteed to be fixed - I have no control over what gets fixed - at all - I simply report them to ED. Nate Nate, I have seen the same issue with BS2 and the World environment. I did a full uninstall of all the World elements and a full re-install. The issue remained with BS2 and World after the re-install. I did a test of BS2 Standalone and I could not find any issues.
Nate--IRL-- Posted May 24, 2012 Posted May 24, 2012 I've done that too. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
genbrien Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 I don't know if it could help, but here is a little track. 3rd vikhir I launched is right in the middle of the circle, but fall right to the groundSu-25 Vickhir problem.trk Do you think that getting 9 women pregnant will get you a baby in 1 month?[sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Mobo: Asus P8P67 deluxe Monitor: Lg 22'' 1920*1080 CPU: i7 2600k@ 4.8Ghz +Zalman CNPS9900 max Keyboard: Logitech G15 GPU:GTX 980 Strix Mouse: Sidewinder X8 PSU: Corsair TX750w Gaming Devices: Saytek X52, TrackIr5 RAM: Mushkin 2x4gb ddr3 9-9-9-24 @1600mhz Case: 690 SSD: Intel X25m 80gb
71st_Mastiff Posted May 30, 2012 Posted May 30, 2012 I don't know if it could help, but here is a little track. 3rd vikhir I launched is right in the middle of the circle, but fall right to the ground yea they know about it I get the same issue the laser turns on and off when it wants to. the misslie goes dum. :thumbup: "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
Nate--IRL-- Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 ? It's obviously a bug. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
71st_Mastiff Posted June 3, 2012 Posted June 3, 2012 "And of course, that never happens when some AI aircraft fires them... " ain't that the truth.. "any failure you meet, is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater come back", W Forbes. "Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts", "He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," Winston Churchill. MSI z690 MPG DDR4 || i9-14900k|| ddr4-128gb PC3200 |zotac RTX 5080|Game max 1300w|Win11| |turtle beach elite pro 5.1|| ViRpiL,T50cm2||MFG Crosswinds|| VT50CM-plus rotor Throttle || G10 RGB EVGA Keyboard/MouseLogitech || PiMax Crystal VR || 32 Asus||
Chrischn89 Posted June 4, 2012 Posted June 4, 2012 And here I thought I simply suck shooting Vikhrs... nice to see that it isn't exclusively my fault :)
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