Eye Candy - 3d Cockpit

[Lucas_From_Hell]

It was going to be in the production version but due to budget cuts we had to scale things down a bit... but here, have 1kg of instant coffee and a sudoku book.

 

...you'll have to bring the water for the coffee and the pen from home, though.

[Mr_Burns]

Hello all. I have been looking for a site as rich in resources and help as I have seen here. I am new here so I apologize if I seem behind the curve. I am building as close to scale 1:1 cockpit of the Typhoon and stumbled across your forum. Those panels are incredible. Would you object if I asked how you designed them? I am also looking for the actual dimensions of all the panels. I can upload pics of how far I am on this Flight Sim if you all want. After 18 months and no help from or responses from the Manufacturer on the measurements I actually took dozens of photos I had downloaded and scaled what I have off of the MFD buttons. It has been a tedious process and I am still not as close as I would like to be. Any asistance is always appreciated and I hope to hear responses.

 

Thanks again

 

I doubt the maufacturer would answer you, you might be better calling Conningsby:

 

General Visits including Aviation Groups

 

Visits Protocol Officer - Tel: 01526 347204

 

 

 

If you explain yourself, they may put you in touch with someone, they have 1 - 1 mock ups as desktop training aids as well as the real deal - they may have some dimensions they can assist with.

[TimeKilla]

Back seat Typhoon http://www.eurofighter.aero/dms/eurofighter/switzerland/img/pictures/Bilder/Cockpit-und-Technologie/Eurofighter-Cockpit_3_1280x720.jpg

 

Everything looks so cryptic. Like an alien craft with that weird writing on the buttons.

[Pikey]

Everything looks so cryptic. Like an alien craft with that weird writing on the buttons.

Exactly, like the end scene in "Predator". Did that picture get obfuscated before release?

[Tango]

Did that picture get obfuscated before release?

Looks like it.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Stano]

Exactly, like the end scene in "Predator". Did that picture get obfuscated before release?

 

No I didn't, but looking at it now, nothing makes sence on the most of the displays/buttons etc. I know what should be on them, but I can't make head nor tail of them either :smilewink:

[ishtmail]

I don't know the EF that well, so I'll assume the buttons have small 2-line text displays integrated, to display the function of the key in different modes / on different screens of the MFDs?

Like the A10C, which displays the functions of the keys on the MFD itself, next to the key?

[Stano]

Correct, button function is a short two line description on the button, nothing on the display. Button functions move with that MHDD display when its moved to another position.

[ishtmail]

Cool idea, and a tad more ergonomic as it doesn't take up main display space, but I can see why the price of these fighters just kept going up and up :)

[Cedaway]

Exactly, like the end scene in "Predator". Did that picture get obfuscated before release?

 

Sync between refresh rate of the buttons lighting and cam problem ?

[ishtmail]

Sync between refresh rate of the buttons lighting and cam problem ?

 

For ALL buttons at once? We should be able to at least read some of them in that case...

 

Since the typical LCD switches (see an example) have a refresh rate of 64 Hz, I doubt the camera would have problems with taking a photo. Try using your camera and take a pic of your monitor (with a typical refresh rate of 60Hz), see if you can catch the flickering...

[Tango]

On a certain well-known aviation photography website is a photograph of the cockpit with the avionics powered up, and you can clearly see the button captions. It claims to have been taken whilst the aircraft was in the factory.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[zaelu]

Out of interest Ells, do you have any plans for a two seater? I appreciate it would be a lot of extra work but they are damn sexy ;)

 

I think I'm just a sucker for two seaters mind, most look nicer than their single seat counterparts imo...

 

You are not the only one with this. :thumbup:

[Lucas_From_Hell]

You might find this interesting, here's a video shot from the backseat of a Typhoon. The buttons look just as unreadable in pretty much every single frame.

 

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[ishtmail]

In some frames, some buttons can be read... Top left: Lock VV, top right FLIR.

 

The way everything is flickering, though, it makes me wonder if they didn't install some sort of special military refresh rate for the buttons (and the HUD, for that matter) that makes cameras useless for video and still shooting? For example, use a refresh rate of 100 Hz, but only display 1/3 of the characters at a time, so at no single moment the entire character is visible.

The naked eye wouldn't see the difference (the character pieces would blend together), while cameras would record them obfuscated (except at really slow shutter speeds, like 1/4 of a second).

[Tango]

Look at this: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Germany---Air/Eurofighter-EF-2000-Typhoon/0357473/L

 

There are many factors that affect how a camera sees something. Many cheaper cameras (even the not-so-cheap cameras) scan the image array for CHANGED pixels, which is why you get weird effects (best seen with propellers on aircraft).

 

http://www.peteconnolly.co.uk/blog/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/strange_propeller_effect2.jpg

 

This is the result of the way the CCD array is scanned and processed by the camera. It's a cheap way to get increased frame rate out of a slow (cheap) sensor.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Tango

[ishtmail]

Thanks, Tango, for the link :)

I'll admit I was having difficulty finding that certain well known aviation photography website you mentioned in your previous post :D

[GeorgeLKMT]

http://www.peteconnolly.co.uk/blog/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/strange_propeller_effect2.jpg

 

This is the result of the way the CCD array is scanned and processed by the camera. It's a cheap way to get increased frame rate out of a slow (cheap) sensor.

 

While we're getting a little off topic, I want to correct you. The image you posted is a thing called "rolling shutter" and affects CMOS chip based cameras, not CCD, because whole sensor is exposed at once thus you can't get rolling effect.

 

There is also nice video showing why this prop distortion happens:

 

 

;)

[Tango]

Thanks for the correction on the mechanics!! I thought it only looked for changed pixels (less processing required to scan the array) thus faster to update each frame.

 

It's still a cheap method though. :D Same way that "HD" was actually a step backwards for image fidelity.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Thanks for the explanation :)

 

If whoever took the photo at the factory took the photo with a slow shutter speed, everything would show up?

[Tango]

Yes.

 

That assumes of course, that the displays are scanned in the first place. The resizing of the photo itself could cause that effect, too.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Lucas_From_Hell]

Just sprang to mind here, what variant are you planning to model (also, are the aircraft operated by air forces other than the RAF much different from the model you're planning to model - in other words, will we see it available for other air forces in DCS :D)?

[joey45]

At a wild stab in the dark, I would say they wouldn't be that different.

[Eddie]

At a wild stab in the dark, I would say they wouldn't be that different.

 

:music_whistling:

[Alicatt]

Thanks for the correction on the mechanics!! I thought it only looked for changed pixels (less processing required to scan the array) thus faster to update each frame.

 

It's still a cheap method though. :D Same way that "HD" was actually a step backwards for image fidelity.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

Slightly O/T

I worked in the security industry and CCTV was my speciality. The digital recorders and transmission systems use conditional refresh or full frame refresh to store and transmit images. The conditional refresh is what you are thinking of where the units take a reference frame and hen the next 20 frames are just the differences from that, DVD works in much the same way too. It means you can store a much longer recording time on a limited space, but can have problems in play back of an individual frame. Full frame refresh records every frame in full and takes a much greater volume of he storage medium to hold an equivalent length of recording, but each individual frame is immediately available to be viewed. At home I use a system that uses full frame refresh to store and transmit pictures over the network.