ShuRugal Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 i am trying to figure out what circumstances it would be preferable to have two KH-25 missiles instead of 12 Vikhr missiles, anyone got some input on this?
Weta43 Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 If you want to blow up something from a couple of km further away than you can with a Vikhr, using 89kg of warhead per launch instead of 12kg ... Cheers.
STP Dragon Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 In Multiplayer you are able to use a interesting strategy with the Kh-25ML. The Kh-25ML can track the laser of a other Ka-50 using target illumination. Try it out, makes fun! Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
flanker0ne Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 SEAD (Preplanned) Anti-ship OCA Strikes against Hardened Aircraft Shelter (HAS) @ enemy Airports Strike against heavy defended infrastructures (Bridges ecc) SCOPRI DI PIU': https://www.amvi.it/joinus.php DISCORD COMBINEDOPS The Battle Planning Tool
Kite Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 In Multiplayer you are able to use a interesting strategy with the Kh-25ML. The Kh-25ML can track the laser of a other Ka-50 using target illumination. Try it out, makes fun! how is it working? I see another ka50 launching vihkr at my poor tanks, so i can assume he is lasering and launch my KH-25ml and it will go to the laser source?
159th_Viper Posted June 28, 2012 Posted June 28, 2012 how is it working? I see another ka50 launching vihkr at my poor tanks, so i can assume he is lasering and launch my KH-25ml and it will go to the laser source? No, the laser does not home in on a laser source. It guides and intercepts refracted laser energy, ie the laser energy reflecting off your tank. In order to engage the Ka-50 shooting at your tank you in turn will need to designate him with your laser and launch your 25ML at him and hope that he ignores his LWR. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
STP Dragon Posted June 29, 2012 Posted June 29, 2012 how is it working? I see another ka50 launching vihkr at my poor tanks, so i can assume he is lasering and launch my KH-25ml and it will go to the laser source? No no, I mean when you and your wingman (Multiplayer) are attacking some tanks/ships/buildings etc. You can stay out of the trouble in far distance and your wingman will sneak in low altetude behind some hills in near distance to the enemy. He will find a target and laser it for 30~35 sec. (horizontal switch above you left knee). Your Kh-25ML will recognise the illumniated target (Circle in your HUD will jump on it) and you can shoot. Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
RagnarDa Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 Is this possible with Su-25T also? High flying Toads launching missiles at targets illuminated by hidden Sharks would be insanely cool... DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
joey45 Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 Is this possible with Su-25T also? High flying Toads launching missiles at targets illuminated by hidden Sharks would be insanely cool... THAT would be soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo AWESOME. but no it cannot The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
RagnarDa Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 THAT would be soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo AWESOME. Not as awesome as if they where piloted by dinosaurs, but still pretty awesome :D 1 DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
pepin1234 Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) Vikhr: Very low altitud, moving targets, stationary launch, high number of missiles ( 12 Vikhr ) Kh-25ML: Should be launched around 1000m with +100 km/h to get the higher performance, Building destroy capability, good launch range, also moving targets with a good pilot, Anti-ship. Negative: No A&A capability, just two on them payload, is not possible take them together with Vikhr payload, the russian SAMs ( Tor, Tunguska etc... ) have the capability to down them due to the higher size In Multiplayer you are able to use a interesting strategy with the Kh-25ML. The Kh-25ML can track the laser of a other Ka-50 using target illumination. Try it out, makes fun! THAT would be soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo AWESOME. but no it cannot We will see but the Su-25T is the big forgotten in DCS World right now. But hopefully I think that could became a reality someday into de DCS World:smilewink: Edited July 9, 2012 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
159th_Viper Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 Kh-25ML: Negative: No A&A capacity... They do just fine against Helo's, obviously depending on speed/attitude :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
pepin1234 Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 (edited) They do just fine against Helo's, obviously depending on speed/attitude :) Ohhh sorry. Yes in the Ka-50 is possible down a Heli with low Speed/Altitud. By the way, is it possible that too with the Su-25T ( Vikhr A&A capability on 25T ) ?? even I did not get yet a target blockage using Vikhr on 25T, the Shkval tutorial of Lockon just dont work with me. anyone have some tips about that??:( Edited July 9, 2012 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ShuRugal Posted July 9, 2012 Author Posted July 9, 2012 if the SU-25 can mount the KH-25, it should be. Missile doesn't know what bird it's on, it only cares about that laser spot.
Nate--IRL-- Posted July 9, 2012 Posted July 9, 2012 if the SU-25 can mount the KH-25, it should be. Missile doesn't know what bird it's on, it only cares about that laser spot. Yes but would the Su-25T show when to fire, or if the missile can see a Laser designation? Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
pepin1234 Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 Yes but would the Su-25T show when to fire, or if the missile can see a Laser designation? Nate it is not so easy like that. First is the question if the Su-25T or Su-25 can launch his Kh-25ML using the Ka-50 laser designator?? after that, if such accion is possible, come the question if ED bring us this capability How is the prosses to interaction between each system laser?? is there some master in this respect to bring us a better idea of the "How to" of the laser systems interaction?? I saw on the last Jtac screenshoot some laser code configuration. Maybe this setup most be a previus setting of each aircraft to get a interaction between systems [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ShuRugal Posted July 10, 2012 Author Posted July 10, 2012 How is the prosses to interaction between each system laser?? is there some master in this respect to bring us a better idea of the "How to" of the laser systems interaction?? Each type of laser-seeking missile is programmed to look for a laser spot with a certain frequency of light and a certain pulse modulation. aircraft are programmed with laser encodings before a mission for the type of ordinance they carry. since the acquisition of the laser spot is handled in the seeker of the missile, and not by the target detection gear of the launching aircraft, any type of aircraft should be able to buddy lase. the pilot of the SU-25 would know the missile had locked the same way he would know if he was doing the lasing himself: the hud indicator for the KH-25 will jump to where the missile sees a laser light.
Griffin Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) Russian ground forces have lased targets for Su-25 laser guided missiles in Chechnya. I don't see a reason why shouldn't it be possible if both aircraft are able to use that weapon. The Su-25 pilot is instructed to dive in the correct spot by JTAC and he gets the "launch authorized" light when the seeker sees the spot. That has been done in combat. This has been described by KUSLIN2, our forums veteran Frog pilot. I can dig it out if you really want but it might take a moment. Edited July 10, 2012 by Griffin
STP Dragon Posted July 10, 2012 Posted July 10, 2012 In FC2 it was not possible. In DCS World I didn't tried it yet. Homepage: Spare-Time-Pilots DCS:BlackShark v1.0.2: BLINDSPOTs EditorMod DRAGONs ArmA2-Sounds DRAGONs BS1 TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK [bS & FC2] DCS:World: TM WARTHOG PROFIL FOR BS2 DRAGONs BS2_TRAININGPACK DRAGONs TRAININGPACK DRAGONs MISSIONPACK
gunterlund21 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Any update on this? Does it work with Shark and Su25T I was in Art of the Kill D#@ it!!!!
Suchacz Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 They do just fine against Helo's, obviously depending on speed/attitude :) Vikhr has the advantage of switchable proximity fuse. Kh-25ml has only impact fuse, so it must make a direct hit. Per aspera ad astra! Crucial reading about DCS: Black Shark - Black Shark and Coaxial Rotor Aerodynamics, Black Shark and the Trimmer, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 1, Black Shark – Autopilot: Part 2
seikdel Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 Any update on this? Does it work with Shark and Su25T I tried this a couple months back with some buddies and we had no luck. It's a shame, because it'd be an amazing feature! Talk about expanding the Shark's role as AFAC! Imagine a flight of Su-25s loaded with Kh-25MLs engaging targets while the AFAC sits out of ground target's range and repeatedly designates. How great would that be?
gunterlund21 Posted May 22, 2013 Posted May 22, 2013 I tried this a couple months back with some buddies and we had no luck. It's a shame, because it'd be an amazing feature! Talk about expanding the Shark's role as AFAC! Imagine a flight of Su-25s loaded with Kh-25MLs engaging targets while the AFAC sits out of ground target's range and repeatedly designates. How great would that be? bummer:( I was in Art of the Kill D#@ it!!!!
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