Next DCS (Russian) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[RoaringBones]

how did the MIG-31 not make this list?

[Xeno426]

If I had to guess? Because it's not a dogfighter.

[Cali]

This poll has been open for about 6 months and 422 votes. Time for you Russian jet flying pilots to show some love.

[104th_Cobra]

Why a MiG-23MLA when you can have a MLD (which approaches from the radar and weapons capabilities of the MiG-29 9-12)?

 

MiG-29M/MiG-35? Sure... Why not more realistic choices like MiG-29 9-12/9-13 or MiG-29SMT. Or even a MiG-29K?

 

From this list, MiG-25PDSL :)

Edited January 7, 2013 by Xpto

[59th_Buncsi]

Why a MiG-23MLA when you can have a MLD (which approaches from the radar and weapons capabilities of the MiG-29 9-12)?

 

Thats not the 9.12, that has newer radar, what you were trying to say is the nullseries 29. That has the same radar as the 23MLD only because the factory werent ready with their new radar..

[danilop]

You might not have human flown Mig-29's, but you have human flown F-16's with Mig-29 radar spikes. So, you don't know if it's AI or human. Plus you have Su-27's, Su-30's and 34's to worry about also. And no you can't beat the AI doing the same thing over and over, they are pretty smart in the Red Flag server. If you want something new, try it out, it's very fun and challenging.

 

I've been with Falcon 4.0 on and off since Microprose days - although phenomenal in some aspects it had one major flaw - only one plane was modeled to perfection and flyable. Yeah, in late nineties multiplayer gaming was not that big, but that philosophy sealed the fate of Microprose, imho.

 

You have to have some form of fun built in simulator to keep attention (and continuous money flow) of people who, in general, are not switch and procedural freaks ;)

 

It's a fine line between exclusive ultra-realistic simulator of one machine and multiplayer arcade for kids , and I think that ED got it perfect with Lockon series at the time. I'm almost sure that the best selling title ever was Flaming Cliffs 1 (I have my source, but don't quote me on that)

 

Regarding numbers and voters;

 

Don't forget the fact that majority of admirers of Russian birds come from non-English speaking countries. :)

Edited January 7, 2013 by danilop

[Dudikoff]

I've been with Falcon 4.0 on and off since Microprose days - although phenomenal in some aspects it had one major flaw - only one plane was modeled to perfection and flyable. Yeah, in late nineties multiplayer gaming was not that big, but that philosophy sealed the fate of Microprose, imho.

 

Well, Jane's did the long line of arcade flight sims (e.g. USNF, ATF, USAF) at the time, but it didn't stop them from getting out of that business. One of the problems might have been that with the advancement of CPU and graphics power ever so much more work (money) to develop a hi-tech flight sim was needed and the fact that those were getting less and less popular (with the rise of first person shooters, etc.) didn't help so the publishers saw no benefit in risking with the sims anymore (Microsoft went out of business because they bit a bit more than they could chew at the time with the Falcon 4 as it couldn't be delivered even remotely close to the projected budget and time; similar thing happened with the Jane's A-10 IIRC).

Edited January 7, 2013 by Dudikoff

[danilop]

Jane made the same mistake as Microprose, imo - no flyable Russian birds

 

ED proved that having good ole' Cold War tension in the community (NATO vs Russia) is very good strategy business wise.

 

They're all gone, and ED is still chugging along!

 

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

[Штирлиц]

Даёшь Сушку!!!!

[Exorcet]

I've been with Falcon 4.0 on and off since Microprose days - although phenomenal in some aspects it had one major flaw - only one plane was modeled to perfection and flyable. Yeah, in late nineties multiplayer gaming was not that big, but that philosophy sealed the fate of Microprose, imho.

I really doubt that it came down to that, if having both sides flyable mattered that much, DCS would be dead. You have a helicopter, an attack plane, and a WWII fighter. Yet every step of the way, you've had people flying them.

[danilop]

KA-50 is Russian bird isn't it? SU-25T? ;)

 

Extended user base (maybe it's hard to grasp, but there are people in the community who fly Russian birds exclusively and really are not interested in USA hardware that much) helped ED to survive over the years....

 

Of course, quality and all that is paramount (DCS has it in spades), but this (flyable Ruskies) is the only unique selling point for them.

 

Maybe it's coincidence that they survived because of that, or maybe not, but they're here to stay, competition is non-existent ATM, and large part of the community demand further development of Russian birds.

Edited January 7, 2013 by danilop

[Kenan]

MiG-29 planned as future DCS module?

 

It may be a coincidence and simple lack of resources that led to the fact that MiG-29 is among the FC3 aircrafts not to be upgraded with 6DOF cockpit. I'm sure ED once they announced the aircraft list getting the cockpit facelift, at least to some extent, expected dissapointment and "outrage" from part of the community ie. MiG fans, due to their bird being left out from the upgrade.

 

Now, as I said, this might simply be lack of time and/or resources to include another (Mig29) 6DOF cockpit in the mix..OR, it is of course only guessing on my side, they left it out for in the near future they plan on making a DCS module fully commited to the bird..OR they've made an agreement with one of the third parties to produce the Fulcrum as a standalone, thus focusing all the work needed for it to a project of its own?

 

This is just pure speculation on my part..wonder what do you guys think? :)

[GGTharos]

Wouldn't it make more sense that the aircrafts that are getting the 3D pits are more likely future DCS module candidates?

[Witchking]

Personally, I think its because the A-10A cockpit was developed earlier a bit during the DCS A-10 stage and the Su 25 cockpit may be the one in development by Onepride. I am not complaining, but it makes sense. As ED said, developing a cockpit from scratch takes a lot of time and since we haven't seen any indications of a Su25T or Mig 29 cockpit, these ones are may be not mentioned. Although, maybe I am wrong and these have been developed in house by ED and their reasons are their own. As mentioned earlier, there were signs of Su27 upgrade some years ago, but it never got realized. Perhaps the cockpit is a one done from scratch to match the F-15 from USA.

[Kenan]

GGTharos

 

^^Yes, but we're talking Mig29 here..which is a quite popular aircraft in this community and among those which didn't get announced for a cockpit upgrade.

 

As I said, it might be a coincidence but kinda makes me think nevertheless..

[Vortex225]

Speculating about the next DCS module(s) is like guessing your holiday gifts; it's entertaining and helps to enhance the drama, but it's all but impossible to draw any real conclusions.

 

Another comparison? Since I'm a new dad, I suppose it would be like speculating about the gender of your unborn child. "Look how low she's carrying that baby; that means it will be a boy!" :thumbup:

[danilop]

Wouldn't it make more sense that the aircrafts that are getting the 3D pits are more likely future DCS module candidates?

 

That makes sense GG, however lack of 3rd party activities regarding any version of MiG-29 tells me that there is probably something going on behind the scenes.

 

MiG29 is iconic plane, arguably much more than SU27, so it is really strange that nobody announced MiG29 module (apart from the one project which was promptly cancelled).

 

Anyway, we can only guess and dream ... :)

[Pigmachine]

Speculating about the next DCS module(s) is like guessing your holiday gifts; it's entertaining and helps to enhance the drama, but it's all but impossible to draw any real conclusions.

 

Another comparison? Since I'm a new dad, I suppose it would be like speculating about the gender of your unborn child. "Look how low she's carrying that baby; that means it will be a boy!" :thumbup:

 

 

Well checking the gender of an unborn baby is more easy then reading minds! :renske:

[GGTharos]

I like that logic more than 'mig-29 is a dcs module because it isn't getting a cockpit' at least. :D

 

That makes sense GG, however lack of 3rd party activities regarding any version of MiG-29 tells me that there is probably something going on behind the scenes.

 

MiG29 is iconic plane, arguably much more than SU27, so it is really strange that nobody announced MiG29 module (apart from the one project which was promptly cancelled).

 

Anyway, we can only guess and dream ... :)

[Grigs]

I will give my 2 kopecks too =]

 

Some 3D cockpits were announced because ED is able to manage finishing them before FC3 comes out. I think the remaining cockpits are simply on stand-by. If I remember correctly, FC3 will be the last of this serie. It does not mean that it will not be supported with several updates.

 

Bottom line: Reserving such a great improvements only for the F-15 would probably have provoked to many complaints. So it was decided to add a few ones; statistically I am pretty sure the Cy-27 is the most flown jet (and it is the most similar to F-15). I assume that A-10's cockpit from DCS: A-10 was providing more than the base (but do not have the knowledge to be sure about it). And again, you want to balance "red/blue" so you add Cy-25

[golfsierra2]

With a DCS MiG-29S, I probably would be back in the cockpit.

[Madone]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1649080&postcount=126

[Leto]

So let's spread out the word: GGTharos officially announced DCS:MiG-29S for Q1 2013 :D

[GGTharos]

Stay where you are, citizen, the black helicopters and vans are coming to pick you up... :D

 

So let's spread out the word: GGTharos officially announced DCS:MiG-29S for Q1 2013 :D

[Vecko]

GGTharos

 

^^Yes, but we're talking Mig29 here..which is a quite popular aircraft in this community and among those which didn't get announced for a cockpit upgrade.

 

As I said, it might be a coincidence but kinda makes me think nevertheless..

 

It's been said million times on this forum that DCS modules are not connected with community wishes in any way, they are just "leftovers" of super secret military contracts of some kind ...or whatever... That said, i'm still wondering, which army ordered goddamn Mustang then?! :D