New user - which aircraft would you buy?

[TurboHog]

In the end the KA-50 has become my favorite and maintained it's position after the introduction of DCS A10C and P51D (Although I like both of them a lot too!)

 

For me learning to fly the KA-50 was easy. Understanding the trim system is of vital importance and you should not try to fly the 50 without knowledge about the trim system.

 

If you're looking for easy flying, go with the A10. If you like easy avionics, take the P-51D.

 

And take the KA-50 anyway :thumbup:

[Echo38]

If you want a fixed-wing aircraft which is easy to fly, but difficult to figure out the systems & avionics, then get the A-10C. If you want a fixed-wing aircraft which is more difficult to fly, but easier to figure out the systems & avionics, then get the P-51D. If you want a rotary-wing aircraft which is difficult to fly and difficult to figure out the systems & avionics, then get the Ka-50.

[ec-swr]

easy buy all DCS :thumbup: :D

[marcos]

350km/h :pilotfly:

High bridge for learners and I bet you used altitude hold and autopilot.;)

[159th_Viper]

High bridge for learners and I bet you used altitude hold and autopilot.;)

 

:megalol:

 

No :)

 

Master and fly the A10 inverted under a bridge and then move to the Kamov.

[Tango]

Start with the Ka-50. Those that are saying start with the A-10 were late to the DCS party. :P

 

Whatever happens, know that you WILL end up with them all eventually; you have the luxury of not having to wait for them to be built by ED. :D

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[159th_Falcon]

Start with the Ka-50. Those that are saying start with the A-10 were late to the DCS party. :P

 

Whatever happens, know that you WILL end up with them all eventually; you have the luxury of not having to wait for them to be built by ED. :D

 

Best regards,

Tango.

:thumbup: So true

[HiJack]

Play with the free DCS World and Su-25T until Flaming Cliffs 3 is released and have a look at all the fastmovers in that pack before making your choice. Playing as a fighter pilot is a completly different from the Ka-50, DCS A10C and the P-51 all together.

 

(HJ)

[wmilosh]

My pick was the A10C because it is about as close to the real thing as you can get without flying an actual million dollar simulator. To get proficient you'll have to study the manuals, practice quite a bit, and keep up with these forums. The learning curve is high and long. But that's my cup of tea. I was always disappointed with MSFS, and I had been flying that ever since it first came out. If you want to yank, bank, and kill right away, get something else. I liked MSFS because you could go anywhere in the world. In comparison, the DCS World is relatively small, but, because the A10C demands so much, I don't miss the big world at all.

Edited September 10, 2012 by wmilosh

[marcos]

:megalol:

 

No :)

 

Master and fly the A10 inverted under a bridge and then move to the Kamov.

Well, you did find the highest bridge in the game.

 

Have flown it inverted under a single bridge. I was doing 2 bridges in the shot though, so it was tricky to line them up and I'm using an XBOX controller with no dead band, so difficulty level times 100.:)

Edited September 11, 2012 by marcos

[Phantom453]

So many different opinions (understandably, as we all have our own favourites).

 

Imagine this discussion when all those 3rd party aircraft are in the mix too.

[lokitexas]

So many different opinions (understandably, as we all have our own favourites).

 

Imagine this discussion when all those 3rd party aircraft are in the mix too.

 

 

I cant wait to have that problem! :thumbup:

[marcos]

I secretly want an F-111.

[Geert Hooghe]

Hmm, Mustang doesn't have fancy avionics, so I think it is easier than A-10C. Definitely DON'T choose Ka-50 for your first aircraft, or you will suffer :)

 

I'd say Mustang or the Hog.

 

Agreed !!:pilotfly:

[Rotorhead]

Agreed !!

Disagreed! :D

Ka-50 was the first DCS airframe, so all the long-termed DCS pilots started with it. It really depends on every individual. For example, I've started with Ka-50 too, and I've had no big problems. Yes, it was tricky in the beginning, but I've mastered the bird quite quickly (and I'm not really very good pilot). Just read the manual thoroughly, and don't forget: Trim, trim, and then - trim again.

 

I've bought the A-10 last week, so I am a complete noob right now. All I can say, it's rather easy to fly, but offers a lot of complex avionics and weapon systems. If you love pushing buttons, operating advanced systems and hitting targets from above with high precision weapons, the A-10 is your choice.

 

The P-51, on the other hand, does not have very complicated systems - but it's extremely complicated to fly it right. No autopilot, no stabilization, and the gyroscopic forces messing up everything :). It's the purest form of flying, very rewarding once mastered. You will surely have lots of fun trying dogfights, strafing runs, or just leisurely flying around.

 

Really, the choice is yours. All the DCS planes are worth it. My only advice, don't buy them all at once. Learn one, then go to another. I can't imagine myself learning three high fidelity aircraft at the same time.

[Gunnergolly]

Personally i'm a KA-50 fanboy.

 

I find the KA-50 that is modeled flawed in good defense system and optics.

 

The above quote is why i enjoy this aircraft so much, simply because it's sensor/defensive aid suite is pretty basic which makes flying, fighting and surviving in this machine quite a challenge.

 

In my humble opinion a single seat attack helicopter by it's very design is flawed and is definitely not the way to go, the DCS KA-50 allows you to experience that.... and then make up your own mind about single seater attack heli's.

 

Sure the DCS KA-50 is a bit of a handful..... but she's interesting and devastating once you get the hang of her !!!.

 

However learning the A-10C along with her systems (and reading the 672 page manual) will keep you occupied and for quite some time. I've been playing since Beta release and i'm still reading that manual !!!.

 

Definitely the A-10C is good choice for your DCS introduction...

 

Regards...

Edited September 11, 2012 by Gunnergolly

[lokitexas]

Honestly, its a good surprise to see many other folks that love the Ka-50. By the way this forum, mission makers, MP, and just activity looks, one might think DCS = A10 only.

 

I do understand the A10 is a bit easier to fly, and its the latest un-beta plane, but still, cant deny how awesome it is to fly and shoot in the Black Shark.

[Echo38]

By the way this forum, mission makers, MP, and just activity looks, one might think DCS = A10 only.

I do understand the A10 is a bit easier to fly

 

For me, at least, easy to fly has nothing to do with it. I'd like a harder-to-fly airplane (like the Me-109 or F4U, for example). The reason I prefer the A-10 over the Ka-50 is that the A-10 is that I'm not a huge fan of helicopters. They're undeniably cool, way cool, but they're not for me. Kind of like parkour and playing the French horn. ; )

 

In the case of helicopters, I won't deny that they're more difficult than fixed-wing aircraft, in general, but my preference for the latter doesn't really have to do with the difficulty; it's more to do with the dynamics. You can't really dogfight in helicopters, because you can always simply point your guns at each other at the same time and blow each other out of the sky, which is just silly (and not a dogfight). And because their offensive power is so much greater than their defensive power in such a fight, its a mistake to try to evade--so two pilots doing everything right will pretty much both blow each other out of the sky at the same time, every time. Lame.

 

I mean, sure, you can have cat-and-mouse hunts with each other if there's sufficiently crazy terrain, but that leaves a lot up to luck and simply hoping the enemy doesn't look this way or fly down that particular canyon. And, regardless, that isn't a dogfight, either. It's more like a pair of snipers doing their hide-and-seek in the woods, and isn't nearly as interesting to me as a high-speed display of spirals, scissors, wingovers, and other beautiful aerial combat maneuvers.

 

I love the dogfight. Hence my preference for the P-51 and, barring that, the A-10. (Well, my real preference is for the P-38 and P-47, but there's little chance of my dear '38 ever being modelled in a good sim, sadly.) However, all this conversation--and most of this multiple-pages thread--hasn't really been addressing the O.P.'s question. Only a tiny few of the posts have actually been helpful replies to him; most have just been, more or less, "You should get X because I think it's the coolest/most fun!" Which is a widely variable opinion and thus doesn't help the fellow much.

Edited September 12, 2012 by Echo38

[GGTharos]

With all due respect that 'lame' stuff is more real dogfight than this pure thing you're aspiring to. That's the terminal phase of a dogfight. Winning it is all about set-up, and that's all:

 

1) SA

2) Tactics

3) Pure dumb luck.

 

A bad setup resulting from relatively equal opponents will usually result in mutual kills as well. Even in guns only environments, two similarly skilled opponents may be left with nothing but high aspect shots against each other, and thus potentially mutual kills. IMHO what you are describing is a fairly artificial 'fair' dogfight.

 

I mean, sure, you can have cat-and-mouse hunts with each other if there's sufficiently crazy terrain, but that leaves a lot up to luck and simply hoping the enemy doesn't look this way or fly down that particular canyon. And, regardless, that isn't a dogfight, either. It's more like a pair of snipers doing their hide-and-seek in the woods, and isn't nearly as interesting to me as a high-speed display of spirals, scissors, wingovers, and other beautiful aerial combat maneuvers.

[lokitexas]

For me, at least, easy to fly has nothing to do with it. I'd like a harder-to-fly airplane (like the Me-109 or F4U, for example). The reason I prefer the A-10 over the Ka-50 is that the A-10 is that I'm not a huge fan of helicopters. They're undeniably cool, way cool, but they're not for me. Kind of like parkour and playing the French horn. ; )

 

In the case of helicopters, I won't deny that they're more difficult than fixed-wing aircraft, in general, but my preference for the latter doesn't really have to do with the difficulty; it's more to do with the dynamics. You can't really dogfight in helicopters, because you can always simply point your guns at each other at the same time and blow each other out of the sky, which is just silly (and not a dogfight). And because their offensive power is so much greater than their defensive power in such a fight, its a mistake to try to evade--so two pilots doing everything right will pretty much both blow each other out of the sky at the same time, every time. Lame.

 

I mean, sure, you can have cat-and-mouse hunts with each other if there's sufficiently crazy terrain, but that leaves a lot up to luck and simply hoping the enemy doesn't look this way or fly down that particular canyon. And, regardless, that isn't a dogfight, either. It's more like a pair of snipers doing their hide-and-seek in the woods, and isn't nearly as interesting to me as a high-speed display of spirals, scissors, wingovers, and other beautiful aerial combat maneuvers.

 

I love the dogfight. Hence my preference for the P-51 and, barring that, the A-10. (Well, my real preference is for the P-38 and P-47, but there's little chance of my dear '38 ever being modelled in a good sim, sadly.) However, all this conversation--and most of this multiple-pages thread--hasn't really been addressing the O.P.'s question. Only a tiny few of the posts have actually been helpful replies to him; most have just been, more or less, "You should get X because I think it's the coolest/most fun!" Which is a widely variable opinion and thus doesn't help the fellow much.

 

Well, I would prefer to fly my favorite FW10 A-4, but chances of seeing that anytime soon is slim, so I understand.

 

BS has been my first Heli sim, and I have to say, never looked at it a dogfighter. Its a ground attack platform unless I am way off base. So comparing a chopper to WWII or even modern plane air to air combat is rather off-base. Sure it has capabilities of fighting A to A, just like the 109 had the capabiltity to drop bombs. In both instances not its primary role.

 

And maybe I am just bad, but trying to shoot down another heli while flying, while evading, while trying to either lock him in the shkval or bore is not "easy as pointing your guns at him". If you could do it, I would love to see a track of how easy it is. Maybe I could learn something?

 

The last part that is bolded, I think you totally wrong. How else is someone supposed to answer the OP's questions without an opinion? There is no right answer, and the opnions given *I* would find helpful in the same situation.

 

No offense, but thats how I see it. Also this the same Echo from RoF? I assume so, since the a 2 a you are describing sounds what people in RoF talk about alot. Perfect gentlemans gunzo dogfight. Which take real accounts and see that rarely happened.

 

With all due respect that 'lame' stuff is more real dogfight than this pure thing you're aspiring to. That's the terminal phase of a dogfight. Winning it is all about set-up, and that's all:

 

1) SA

2) Tactics

3) Pure dumb luck.

 

A bad setup resulting from relatively equal opponents will usually result in mutual kills as well. Even in guns only environments, two similarly skilled opponents may be left with nothing but high aspect shots against each other, and thus potentially mutual kills. IMHO what you are describing is a fairly artificial 'fair' dogfight.

 

I agree here.

[Speed]

Hi all - I've downloaded the world and I'm about to get the free aircraft too.

 

My question is; If I was to buy the payware aircraft, which would you get first and why?

 

I don't have a preference, I'm flight sim and combat sim experienced, and I can fly choppers as well as fixed-wing and I use TrackIR.

 

Thanks.

 

All of them? :)

 

 

Welcome to the Forums.

 

If it's a challenge you're after, I'd recommend the Kamov. Unlike any other rotary SIM you've experienced :)

 

Ka-50 is pretty easy- once you have flying down. Avionics are simple 1980s Russian avioncis.

 

A-10 is much more complex, but easy to fly. Boring to fly even, at least compared to a heli. The joy with the A-10 is in its advanced avoinics and weapons.

[andysim]

the Ka-50 is like Glados from portal, seems nice but will kill you when you are doing fine. It does seem to take some mastering. I can fly it well enough to get from A to B Plus some target practice. Its just that its always ready to kill you.

 

And you dont get cake.

 

Love the A-10c. Cant wait for the future, its looking bright!!

[Echo38]

Also this the same Echo from RoF? I assume so, since the a 2 a you are describing sounds what people in RoF talk about alot. Perfect gentlemans gunzo dogfight. Which take real accounts and see that rarely happened.

Yes, same Echo. No, I'm not under the impression that co-E duels happened very often--if you're interested in my reasons for loving them, see the following post: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1547915&postcount=6

[racketyjack]

...a short description of DCS Aircrafts:

 

The A-10 takes you up in the air, treats you to dinner, utterly destroys a brigade of tanks, and sets you back on the ground so you can have a nice dessert, have sex with your wife, and go back the next day.

 

The P-51 ****ing LOVES the ground. While it taxis, it gets all excited and does spins without you even asking it to. It'll even get so excited that it'll fall flat on it's face and break it's own nose. It loves the ground so much, that at the slightest provocation, it will put itself there at high speed. Even when you're trying to put it gently on the ground, it gets excited, hops up and down a couple times, and then breaks the landing gears so you can't put it back in the air again.

 

The Ka-50 tries to kill you. You get into it, and it's going to try to kill you. You say "alright, a little collective to get off the pad," it hears "LET'S DO A BACKFLIP BITCHES!" **** that thing. I can't help but love it and the feeling that, just maybe, I've tamed it once or twice.

 

i would start with the A-10C :smilewink:

 

:megalol: Beautiful!I'll remember this...:thumbup:

[MegOhm_SD]

Get them all...

 

They all have a learning curve...but all are a blast to fly... We only make missions with all aircraft and CA...so I am not sure I agree the MP missions are not out there that include the Mustang...

 

With diligence it will not take you too long to fly any of them with skill...

 

They will provide you with tons of fun... I went with A10 then Ka50 then P51

 

in that order...all you need is a mentor and lots of seat time... a mentor will accelerate the learning curve. Welcome to DCS World!

 

Enjoy!

 

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