Payware Models for DCSW (ONLY External 3D Models ! )

[HungaroJET]

...as title said...maybe 3D modelers/artists would like to know you opinions: how many player is interested to buy their new/updated/more detailed models for DCSW, even if these models are not flyable aircrafts.

(ONLY 3D models - without Flight Model)

 

so new model/object should be: Aircraft, Helicopter, Ship, Air Defence, Armor/Tanks, Artillery, Infantry/Soldier, Car, Train, Fortification/Building (Control Tower, Hangar, Bridge, other airbase object), Vegatation (Tree, Bush), Cockpit, Weapon model etc.

 

Question is: would you pay for a new model ? (for a model swap)

Lower price for a non playable/flyable object ?

Slightly higher price for a playable/flyable object ?

Edited December 9, 2012 by HungaroJET
added cockpits into listing

[Kuky]

Most vehicles are already pretty good, some CIV could use better models. Buildings could use bit better models/textures.

 

I would pay for excellent 3D model of flyable aircraft... (not many left now) and I'm looking at MiG-29 here and most likely for new buildings.

 

How much would it be worth? I don't know... if lot of people would get it price could be lower but if not maybe 3D artics would feel bad if they spent lot of time on the models and not get much (financially) out of their work. I guess someone will have to try it and see how it goes :D

 

Also don't know if earning money on mods like this would violate any copyrights on work done by ED?

[Witchking]

I think the market is still Wide open for 3d cockpits for fc3 aircraft. Rather than pay for a single model (unplayable), I would happily pay even 20$ for a new 6dof fc3 cockpit pack.

[falcon_120]

I voted no,because I wouldn't pay for an external model,but I would definetely pay for a new 6 dof 3d cockpit.

[HungaroJET]

Also don't know if earning money on mods like this would violate any copyrights on work done by ED?

 

I don't think...you can change/swap any model. You can fly with an X-15, an X-wing, a car or with a building model. It's your choice. :D

...just think of Grandsurf's models: he worked lot...no new feature, but everything nicer and more detailed

...or think of many new building models (what you can see in FSX)...also would be nice in DCSW

Edited December 9, 2012 by HungaroJET

[Cali]

I think Ed should do the models, they did vehicles. Why did they worry about vehicles before flyable aircraft is baffling to me. However, if the model is good and it's a flyable jet I might pay for it, thats a big but though.

[HungaroJET]

I voted no,because I wouldn't pay for an external model,but I would definetely pay for a new 6 dof 3d cockpit.

 

OK, i understand you, but we are talking about ONLY 3D models... CHANGE or SWAP !

 

If you would like to get a new 6 DOF MiG-29 or Su-27 model, (with same instruments) then you are in the right topic and poll.

...but if you would like to get new flight model or systems of cockpit then this is a wrong topic to you

...as all we know making a DCS brand MiG-29 or Su-27 needs years

 

We are talking about changes/swap in SHAPES folder ONLY ---> this is a quick and easy way to bring on more 3D model makers...ONLY new MODELS in EDM format...nothing more :idea:

[Kenan]

To pay for an external model? No fraking way!

[HungaroJET]

To pay for an external model? No fraking way!

 

Well, i understand your opinion too.

Hardcore players (room pilots :) ) need only cockpits (and FPS) i think, without detailed external models.

...but V R different: other players LOVE the detailed external models (me too)

just think about this model: Der Peiper's extremly amazing and detailed model (with weapon models) needed years also

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=93978

http://www.military-meshes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=66343&postcount=269

...or think about BeczL's new ground objects (Pack) what he made earlier: (and other new vehicles what he will release with MiG-21Bis probably)

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?p=1458846&highlight=pack#post1458846

Edited December 9, 2012 by HungaroJET

[ALF7]

Well, i understand your opinion too.

Hardcore players (room pilots :) ) need only cockpits (and FPS) i think, without detailed external models.

...but V R different: other players LOVE the detailed external models (me too)

just think about this model: Der Peiper's extremly amazing and detailed model (with weapon models) needed years also

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=93978

http://www.military-meshes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=66343&postcount=269

...or think about BeczL's new ground objects (Pack) what he made earlier: (and other new vehicles what he will release with MiG-21Bis probably)

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?p=1458846&highlight=pack#post1458846

We fly on these models since moved to FC2.Now fly to DCS .You need model? Edited December 9, 2012 by ALF7

[MTFDarkEagle]

I voted no,because I wouldn't pay for an external model,but I would definetely pay for a new 6 dof 3d cockpit.

 

This. So new model for MIG-29 and full detail 6dof cockpit would get me buying it perhaps if the price is right.

[Dimebag]

The thing is, you spend a lot of your time with your head in the pit, so that is where work will be appreciated most. A good external model would surely complement a well done pit, but IMO, the pit is the priority. I would agree that someone would surely be filling a demand if they were to sell some nice 6dof pits for fc3, as say a pack. I think though that ED does seem to intend on upgrading the existing external models, so if you were to release those you would be in direct competition with ed, and might be selling something which ed will most likely add as an update. It seems like ed wont get around to upgrading the pits, as they have their work cut out for them with future dcs titles, and as fc3 was meant to bridge the gap between now and dcs fighter, I would posit that they don't intend to upgrade them, therefore if someone could rather quickly get some nice 3d pits into the market place before dcs fighter, they could fill that demand.

[Markindel]

Priority should be given to a 3d cockpit, fully functional.

In this case, I have no problems paying the right price

Edited December 9, 2012 by Markindel

[chromium]

Great scenery lives of building 3D models. I would pay 1-2$ for any new and different (even low-detail) new unit-fortification models, expecially if it could be possible to have:

 

- Invisible and not-consistant FARP model (but with FARP properties, to have landing zones)

- Chemical plants,

- fuel tanks,

- chemicals tanks,

- electrical power plants,

- walls section (es. 30 mt x 2.5 h)

- practices targets for aerial and arty fire,

- different coloured barracks

- containers

- industry buildings such as factories

 

All (except from FARP) to be used as "units", so that you can manage them easily with triggers and make templates. For example, in the mission file attached you will find an entire armybase make as a template... but... it's simple and very low detailed cause of the low "fortification" unit entry.

 

An entire pack could also be priced as 20-30$ for me... I would definitely pay given that could be multiplayer compatible

DELM_Scen.miz

[HungaroJET]

Maybe on the other side there are players who do not want (to learn) a hardcore and difficult cockpit with complex systems. Maybe they need more FC3 aircrafts and FC3 cockpits not DCS cockpits.

Moreover i can imagine, someone enjoy mainly the WORLD. Scenery with mountains, buildings, airports, vehicles...feeling of flight

... or dogfights only - who dont really need more cockpits, and he will use already existing cockpit (MiG-29, F-15C etc.) for a new Mirage model (4xmpl) without a cockpit view! (by LAlt + F1 key) - maybe they do not need AFM also, they like only tactics - playing only in MP and shoot others

...or others need to use DCSW as a Museum...watching and exploring details of aicrafts, (how animated: gears, control surfaces, engine parts etc.)

They will need for example a perfect F-16, Spitfire or Focke-Wulf model or more detailed map, with full of objects...AI cars, trains, ships on rivers, aircrafts in the air - more life on an airbase/airport

 

Edit: ^ exactly what Chromium wrote (while i was typing)

Edited December 9, 2012 by HungaroJET

[Krebs20]

I would be interested in supported 3rd party models of new objects in game. But the artist would have to release a low res version for free to allow MP compatiblty.

 

I would be very much interested in paying for a 3d pit for aircraft already in game. Think of the new F15 pit. It didnt have to be clickable. It still added a great deal to flying the 15.

 

Build a 25t pit with shadows and 6d of freedom, and I will pay nicely.

[Grimes]

Its one of those tricky subjects. I think there would be quite a market for "country" expansion packs that add some new content to the game for the specified country. It could expand an existing country in the game, or add a completely new one. Even a modern US equipment pack would be useful as much is still missing. Also there are plenty of existing art assets that need updating. The bit that is tricky about it is compatibility. Model replacements are all fine and dandy as a high polygon Mig-29 will function the same as a low polygon Mig-29. No the problem would be new content. Any new content that is added into a mission would need to be owned and installed by anyone who wanted to use the mission.

 

One way around this could be to make a deal with ED to include low poly models and textures into the base game with the high quality files available as a 3rd party pack. Its similar to how ARMA2 did its DLC and I think its a pretty good way to do it.

[Griffin]

I would not pay. Donate, yes if I had extra money. Like other people have said, external 3D models aren't the most needed part despite the high respect to the modellers. If you want to sell some stuff, the most needed are;

 

- modules (helicopters for me)

- 3D pits

- maps (my biggest wish)

- perhaps packs with multiple models as others have mentioned

[McMicha]

Hi HungaroJET,

 

i think it is better create a new All in One Pack, aka "Theatre", eg a WWII theatre with new map, land, sea and air vehicles. But all as AI units with specific properties.

So a pack can be sold as a whole.

ED or another 3rd Party developer can create other new flyable aircraft for this Pack.

 

A great idea is, create new 6DoF 3D cockpits for FC3.

 

PS: i am from Germany and my English is very "bad". Who finds errors, correct them.

[ZMEY-HS-]

Maybe on the other side there are players who do not want (to learn) a hardcore and difficult cockpit with complex systems... maybe they do not need AFM also...

The whole point of DCS aircrafts is to bring jet to its real level as close as possible. Who dont need all that stuff usualy plays HAWX and others ace combats.

Maybe they need more FC3 aircrafts and FC3 cockpits not DCS cockpits...

Even FC3 level of new F-15 pit is pretty good. I bet, many people would buy f-15 alike pits for reasonable price. The prblem is - there are no such developers visible on a horizon.

 

Moreover i can imagine, someone enjoy mainly the WORLD. Scenery with mountains, buildings, airports, vehicles...feeling of flight

Imho, bring environment back to 2012 level is completely ED task. Nobody can do it into THEIR engine better than they do, especialy regarding new terrain.

 

...or dogfights only - who dont really need more cockpits, and he will use already existing cockpit (MiG-29, F-15C etc.) for a new Mirage model (4xmpl) without a cockpit view! (by LAlt + F1 key) - maybe they do not need AFM also, they like only tactics - playing only in MP and shoot others...

 

And thats another side of the coin - integrity check in MP. Most popular servers usulay use it to prevent cheating f***s. And once you set up any mod - you have to find server which supports this mod, otherwise it is pointless and lock you up with all your candies back into your own sandbox. And since there are not too many people online usualy, such 3rd parties payware mods will split MP community even more without any low-res compatibilities models. And even that way, it would be too lame in MP - if my team owns complex DCS F-16 with afm, and opposite team owns 3-buttons F-16 sfm.

 

...or others need to use DCSW as a Museum...watching and exploring details of aicrafts, (how animated: gears, control surfaces, engine parts etc.)

Digital Museum Simulator:D. Thats good idea for german developers, who made so many perfect simulators: landwirtschafts sim, kehrmaschinen sim, abschleppwagen sim, straßenbau und meisterei sim and many others.:D

[Kusch]

I voted for the first option because I'm too old to constantly improve something, I'd like something is already done and it works. It is possible that I would buy a larger package improves more things and was blessed by the ED.

Edited December 9, 2012 by Kusch

[Cali]

I can see it now, Ed's builds a 3d pit for a Su-27 and at first people are gonna be like this :cheer3nc::drunk::):love::thumbsup::yes::yay::clap::punk::clap_2::surprise:

 

"That's too much for a 3d pit"

"How come they didn't make a 3d pit for ???"

"they always making us pay for things that should be included in DCS"

"Why are they working on this, when they should be working on the next DCS fighter"

 

 

then they are gonna be like :argue: :greedy::dunno::chair::disgust:

 

 

 

and it goes on and on......you people will never be happy :D

[diveplane]

just like me for my audio work a donation route is the best option for now.

many people should consider the fact , models and some mods are a lot of work..

 

so i voted for the donation route.

[secret1962]

Maybe on the other side there are players who do not want (to learn) a hardcore and difficult cockpit with complex systems. Maybe they need more FC3 aircrafts and FC3 cockpits not DCS cockpits.

Moreover i can imagine, someone enjoy mainly the WORLD. Scenery with mountains, buildings, airports, vehicles...feeling of flight

... or dogfights only - who dont really need more cockpits, and he will use already existing cockpit (MiG-29, F-15C etc.) for a new Mirage model (4xmpl) without a cockpit view! (by LAlt + F1 key) - maybe they do not need AFM also, they like only tactics - playing only in MP and shoot others

...or others need to use DCSW as a Museum...watching and exploring details of aicrafts, (how animated: gears, control surfaces, engine parts etc.)

They will need for example a perfect F-16, Spitfire or Focke-Wulf model or more detailed map, with full of objects...AI cars, trains, ships on rivers, aircrafts in the air - more life on an airbase/airport

 

Edit: ^ exactly what Chromium wrote (while i was typing)

 

FC series is done... stick to DCS now please...

[Boberro]

New models, new textures, new, new and new.

 

Can ED engine handle those without fps drop?