About FC3 Price

[Rikus]

"The pre-purchase price will stay at $39.99 as an early buyer discount; however, the final release will be at $49.99 given the number of new features and extended development time"

 

50 dollars, is a correct price, but a correct price for first time players.

 

For those who bought FC1, FC2 now with FC3 there should be a lower price

 

Just one more opinion

 

Greetings

[Silver_Dragon]

FC1/2 under Ubisoft control (required LOMAC). FC3 required LOMAC instalation to use them (By Ubi copiright), if you require a discount, contact with Ubi to send them.

[Lange_666]

For the small market that flightsims are, you should be happy that you even have the option to buy some stuff, even if it seems rather high or that it feels that you pay a few times for the same product. If it wouldn't be for that, there would be no flightsims anymore.

[Kuky]

For the small market that flightsims are, you should be happy that you even have the option to buy some stuff, even if it seems rather high or that it feels that you pay a few times for the same product. If it wouldn't be for that, there would be no flightsims anymore.

 

yes, I feel the same and agree with above... beside DCS (and FC3 to wait out for DCS jet) and well BMS (although just doesn't do it for me) there is nothing else. Be happy F-15C and now Su-27 are getting superb external model and cockpit... that's pretty massive improvement... and lets not forget AFM for missiles (that are still being tweaked and WIP).

[ishtmail]

"The pre-purchase price will stay at $39.99 as an early buyer discount; however, the final release will be at $49.99 given the number of new features and extended development time"

 

50 dollars, is a correct price, but a correct price for first time players.

 

For those who bought FC1, FC2 now with FC3 there should be a lower price

 

Just one more opinion

 

Greetings

 

Even customers that buy FC3 NOW, will need to also buy LOMAC or a previous FC version. So, as you see, FC3 costs exactly the same for EVERYONE.

[EtherealN]

I think what he means is not related to the LOMAC requirement, but rather something similar to the Black Shark 2 Upgrade offering. I can see where he comes from with that even though I don't necessarily agree.

[Witchking]

Considering that EA and activision charge 60$ + tax for every iteration of their fifa/COD franchises...Its more than fair for ED to charge what they are charging. Also considering the price FSX and Xplane addons charge, its more than a fair price for admission.

[Hamblue]

I used to complain more about the price of gaming software until I thought about it more.

The money it cost to build the PC was over 1500 bucks. My Warthog Joystick, Trackir, and Saitek Combat pedals cost 700-800 more. So why complain about 40-50 dollar software that is the reason the other stuff exists?

Also there are vastly more man hours and cost spent creating the software.

[Lange_666]

Also, back in the Commodore C-64 days, a single programmer could come up with a game every few weeks of coding, all on his own (link: Tony Crowther).

If you compare that to today considering development time and manpower needed to deliver a simulation like DCS is, we are coming of cheap, very cheap.

You might bring in that games back then where far far less complex then today's stuff, they didn't sell for 5$ either. In fact i payed for a few of them well over 40$ (not Crowther onces, these where not my cup of tea).

Edited December 25, 2012 by Lange_666

[Darkwolf]

For the small market that flightsims are, you should be happy that you even have the option to buy some stuff, even if it seems rather high or that it feels that you pay a few times for the same product. If it wouldn't be for that, there would be no flightsims anymore.

 

 

That's not exactly what i would say. The "buy it otherwise devs studio will die", I just read it a thousand time around when it came down to 'cliff of dover'. I, as a customer, pay games and simulators to get good time during my spare time, and in some case, i will just skip a product because the ratio Price/quality is just a joke.

 

I gladly paid for LO and FC3, I would have done even if price point was just the double, and considering my crappy financial situation. Then i bought it again for my wife :P

 

I did not purchased it for the developper to stay afloat.

I did it because I knew that whatever i would purchase for ED would be just damn good, and aftersale support would be as good too. (thanks to ED support team and testers present here). If ED quality change over time, i may just drop DCS to another platform. But that's not the case today.

 

 

Regarding pricepoint... well.... that's still less than the 60€ video games i see everywhere in shops.

 

 

By supporting crappy game studio you end up with crappy games flooding the market. :)

[Lange_666]

And then we didn't even discuss console game prices...

[EtherealN]

Well, the markup there is mainly license fees to the console manufacturer, who quite often sold the console at a loss. (Current-gen consoles probably aren't at a loss anymore though since they've been able to revamp them with cheaper-to-manufacture components a couple times - the Xbox 360 is, at least, extremely different inside now than it was at launch.)

 

So in the case of the consoles, we get them cheap as heck, and once we are thus "bought into" the platform, we make it up through the license fees on our purchases.

 

There's similar things happening in some parts of the tablet space nowadays; for example Amazon and their Kindles and Kindle Fires.

[Dusty Rhodes]

I try to always have people compare their entertainment time compared to dollars spent. Even at $50 plus having to buy LOMAC again ($7 I think for DL from UBI) I get my moneys worth with the hours I spend in the sim. Just think, you and the significant other go to a movie.....POW $50 for 2 hours show. It takes hours upon hours to just learn how to fly and fight the HOG or the Eagle or the Flanker.

[dburne]

I probably would give this a go, but I have to tell ya, I have the original Lomac CD and a couple years ago I thought I would install it on my new machine at that time and give it a go. It installed ok, but gave me major grief in trying to get the thing activated. I searched for answers and tried several things ( can't remember all details as it has been couple of years ), and finally gave up and uninstalled the thing.

 

As I understand FC3 would require an installed and activated copy of Lock On, and I sure am not going to try and go through all that again.

That is ok though, A-10C is occupying most of my time right now with the learning curve, and have BS2 to get into as well.

[Kuky]

I probably would give this a go, but I have to tell ya, I have the original Lomac CD and a couple years ago I thought I would install it on my new machine at that time and give it a go. It installed ok, but gave me major grief in trying to get the thing activated. I searched for answers and tried several things ( can't remember all details as it has been couple of years ), and finally gave up and uninstalled the thing.

 

As I understand FC3 would require an installed and activated copy of Lock On, and I sure am not going to try and go through all that again.

That is ok though, A-10C is occupying most of my time right now with the learning curve, and have BS2 to get into as well.

 

You don't need to activate LockOn to install FC3, you need to install it only. After you installed FC3 you can delete/uninstall LockOn.

[SkateZilla]

"The pre-purchase price will stay at $39.99 as an early buyer discount; however, the final release will be at $49.99 given the number of new features and extended development time"

 

50 dollars, is a correct price, but a correct price for first time players.

 

For those who bought FC1, FC2 now with FC3 there should be a lower price

 

Just one more opinion

 

Greetings

 

It's already $10 Cheaper for FC/LoMAC owners, as they wont have to spend the $10 to download a Copy of LoMAC from Ubi.

 

To Further, they plan on keeping it in beta longer, it sounds like they are encouraging people to buy now.

Edited December 25, 2012 by SkateZilla

[dburne]

You don't need to activate LockOn to install FC3, you need to install it only. After you installed FC3 you can delete/uninstall LockOn.

 

That is good to know, could have swore I read it had to be activated, in that case I may give it a go - thanks for the info.

[dbw]

The quality of sims that this company creates is superb and I would have no problem with a higher price given the useful life of them. That said I'm glad they price as they do.......more people can afford to buy. We all win.

[kobac]

Although I agree with the opinion that the FC3 too expensive, I'll buy it just to support the ED to continue developing the DCS series and modules. Especially if they are trying to maintain a balance with the introduction of new modules (Western and Russian). This is because in order to have equal forces and increase the number of players in a multiplayer environment.

The only thing I'm not sure is 6DOF Su-27 cockpit = 3D cockpit?

[Silver_Dragon]

6DOF Su-27 cockpit = 3D cockpit?

 

Take a look to the new F-15C Cockpit on FC3, Su-27 can be a similar 3D cockpit quality

Edited December 25, 2012 by Silver_Dragon

[ishtmail]

The only thing I'm not sure is 6DOF Su-27 cockpit = 3D cockpit?

Since F15's 6DOF cockpit is essentially a very detailed 3D cockpit, I'm guessing Flanker's cockpit will have to go the same way. I would like to see it clickable, too (atleast to some degree, I fully realise it can't be A10C-realism here), but I'm happy this bird will be getting some loving.

[kobac]

I already know that. I wanted to said precisely whether we will have a 3D cockpit for the Su-27. Because we now have the 6DOF mod but no 3D cockpit for all planes in FC2. Do you understand me? This is only to ensure that we don't interfere terms and accepted assumptions who may not be correct.

Edited December 25, 2012 by kobac

[ishtmail]

I already know. I wanted to say precisely whether we will have a 3D cockpit for the Su-27. Because we now have the 6DOF mod but no 3D cockpit for all planes in FC2. Do you understand me? This is only to ensure that we don't interfere terms and accepted assumptions who may not be correct.

 

I totally understand.

 

But here's a simpler explanation why I think Su27 will have a new 3D cockpit:

 

When ED announced FC3 and started the presale, the features listed say:

"New 6 degrees of freedom (6DOF) cockpit and model for the F-15C."

As you can see, there was no mention of a new 3D cockpit, so my belief is that 'New 6DOF cockpit' means 'new with an upgraded 3D design'. There is a mention for a new model for the F15C, but that refers to the upgraded 3D model of the aircraft.

 

The announcement for the new SU27 cockpit is identical:

"The most noteworthy being a new 6 DOF cockpit for the Su-27 Flanker."

We are already getting the upgraded 3D aircraft model with the 1.2.3 update, so this announcement is identical to the one about F15C.

[Rikus]

I think what he means is not related to the LOMAC requirement, but rather something similar to the Black Shark 2 Upgrade offering. I can see where he comes from with that even though I don't necessarily agree.

 

Yes, you explain better than me, or i didn´t explain at all.

 

I mean you can buy BS2 Full version, or upgrade version.

 

Why not this option to FC2 owners?

 

Greetings

[Silver_Dragon]

Why not this option to FC2 owners?

 

Negative, FC2 has under control of Ubi, no ED, you not need FC2 to use FC3.