Auto Pilot Shenanigans

[shagrat]

The orignal post had nothing to do with Real life or how it is done in real life. It was related to the game. By the way I'm no kid and way over 40. I may be a smart-ass though:thumbup:

Point taken! We're both old farts! :D

 

...anyway, it may work for you now, but you should really consider the trim hat. When you fly in bad weather with strong winds and unbalanced after dropping a bomb it will be helpful to trim the plane, in real life as well as in the sim.;)

[pii]

Point taken! We're both old farts! :D

 

...anyway, it may work for you now, but you should really consider the trim hat. When you fly in bad weather with strong winds and unbalanced after dropping a bomb it will be helpful to trim the plane, in real life as well as in the sim.;)

 

You're probably right and I never said it would never be useful or needed. I did have a roll to the right for some reason when I first got my tmwh hotas and i tried trimming it but no matter what I did it just kept Rolling to the right so I put it down to a controller issue and adjusted some axis settings. I tried to explain it to my trimming nemesis but he didn't seem interested. Oh well. The issue is gone now so I'm back to not trimming, yet.:-)

 

I'm trying to learn jtac and entering coordinates in the CDU now so where is a good thread to ask mission creating questions? I want to setup a mission where I know were the target is and see if they match where the FAC tells me they are because in missions I never find %$%# where they tell me the target is. So far in my missions my FAC doesn't want to talk to me though.

[Hamblue]

Why don't you 2 just get a room :music_whistling::megalol:

[Cookie]

Feel free to do it if you like I'll stick with mine. :thumbup:

Nah thanks, I´ll just elect to not read your postings anymore. Can´t be bothered to figure out who said what.

[Maachine]

I'm trying to learn jtac and entering coordinates in the CDU now so where is a good thread to ask mission creating questions? I want to setup a mission where I know were the target is and see if they match where the FAC tells me they are because in missions I never find %$%# where they tell me the target is. So far in my missions my FAC doesn't want to talk to me though.

 

not sure on how to create a mission, but smerch hunt is a great mission to learn JTAC, entering coordinates, and even lasing

[shagrat]

I'm trying to learn jtac and entering coordinates in the CDU now so where is a good thread to ask mission creating questions? I want to setup a mission where I know were the target is and see if they match where the FAC tells me they are because in missions I never find %$%# where they tell me the target is. So far in my missions my FAC doesn't want to talk to me though.

Well, there is a JTAC Mission Editor wiki as a start. The GUI Manual has a section about the ME, explaining some stuff.

 

Important things when setting up a JTAC is:

 

• A JTAC needs to be armed (Humvee without weapons is of no use!)
  
• check what TASK you use, FAC ASSIGN points to a specific group (even without LoS) - Enroute FAC needs LoS to the target and chooses the highest threat, ususally SAM/AAA
  
• SET Callsign, SET Frequency, SET invisible and ROE to HOLD FIRE not to be unfair to the AI
  
• Depending on the Task select how target is marked, what weapons should be used (IR pointer only works at night)
  

[pii]

Well, there is a JTAC Mission Editor wiki as a start. The GUI Manual has a section about the ME, explaining some stuff.

 

Important things when setting up a JTAC is:

 

• A JTAC needs to be armed (Humvee without weapons is of no use!)
  
• check what TASK you use, FAC ASSIGN points to a specific group (even without LoS) - Enroute FAC needs LoS to the target and chooses the highest threat, ususally SAM/AAA
  
• SET Callsign, SET Frequency, SET invisible and ROE to HOLD FIRE not to be unfair to the AI
  
• Depending on the Task select how target is marked, what weapons should be used (IR pointer only works at night)
  

 

Damn that sounds hard. I'm trying to use a scout helo and just want him to call it out. Looks like I need to RTFM. Thanks

[shagrat]

Damn that sounds hard. I'm trying to use a scout helo and just want him to call it out. Looks like I need to RTFM. Thanks

Aircraft as JTAC/AFAC are a tad bit tricky... I recommend starting with a simple Humvee(armed) or a Warrior IFV etc. place it some 1-2 miles from the target group, make it invisible and use FAC ASSIGN GROUP to be sure he calls out what you want.

 

By the way, coordinates: The MGRS grid around the georgian coast is tricky because there is the line between 38T and 37T Zones! This has everybody put in the wrong coordinates at least once. :megalol: Nobody checks the Grid Zone until he learned the hard way...yes, me too:doh:

[pii]

Nah thanks, I´ll just elect to not read your postings anymore. Can´t be bothered to figure out who said what

 

Whatever not going hurt me one bit

 

 

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[pii]

Well you quoted a post that had already mixed color fonts, then you mixed it with switching colors on the fonts in your own post, let me tell you, it is not easy to read. Preparing the quote tags takes about as much time as it takes to switch the color of the fonts.

 

Besides, i'm not picking on you, just trying to tell you that you might get more people interested in the stuff you write if they don't have to scratch their heads to figure out who said what. Obeying the text setting rules that are considered the norm in a forum is part of the netiquette. :thumbup: It makes the forum more enjoyable for everybody.

 

I'll admit that one was a little messy. :-)

 

Just so you know (like anyone cares) That is the way we used to do it back in the days before every one and their grandmother had a website with forums. We used to have to go to Usenet and some flight sim group like Alt.comp.flightsim or something like that. It was a basically the forums before we had forums but it didn't have any of this fancy shamcy quoting so I still have some habits from then.

But I think if truth be told its not hard to read the one time responses but yeah it gets messing on multi reply responses. Soooo I'll try to admen my ways but as noted earlier I'm and old fart and sometimes old habits die hard.

 

Take care guys and happy flying

Edited April 21, 2013 by pii

[pii]

not sure on how to create a mission, but smerch hunt is a great mission to learn JTAC, entering coordinates, and even lasing

 

Thanks I'll try it out. The problem with it though is I've watched a video on youtube for it so many times I know where all the targets are.:P But I'll give it a try and see as all I really want to do is see if what I input to the CDU matches the target. In the few I've flown so far I never see the target or by the time I get it entered the JTAC is going abort abort. I'm like "make up your mind you silly JATC!" :D Now that I think about it knowing where the targets are would help and that is basically what I wanted to do with my own little mission.

 

So good idea glad I though of it:D

[pii]

Aircraft as JTAC/AFAC are a tad bit tricky... I recommend starting with a simple Humvee(armed) or a Warrior IFV etc. place it some 1-2 miles from the target group, make it invisible and use FAC ASSIGN GROUP to be sure he calls out what you want.

 

By the way, coordinates: The MGRS grid around the georgian coast is tricky because there is the line between 38T and 37T Zones! This has everybody put in the wrong coordinates at least once. :megalol: Nobody checks the Grid Zone until he learned the hard way...yes, me too:doh:

Thats when your mark point will say its like 800 miles away right?

[Hamblue]

I'll admit that one was a little messy. :-)

 

Just so you know (like anyone cares) That is the way we used to do it back in the days before every one and their grandmother had a website with forums. We used to have to go to Usenet and some flight sim group like Alt.comp.flightsim or something like that. It was a basically the forums before we had forums but it didn't have any of this fancy shamcy quoting so I still have some habits from then.

 

Take care guys and happy flying

And before that everything was direct dial.

There would be a thing called bulletin boards, which were a text based version of a forum. You called the number directly with your modem (and paid the phone charges). To play a 1 on 1 game you both would start the game and one person would dial into the other. I remember my first multiplayer flight with Falcon AT around 89 with my brother in law.

[pii]

And before that everything was direct dial.

There would be a thing called bulletin boards, which were a text based version of a forum. You called the number directly with your modem (and paid the phone charges). To play a 1 on 1 game you both would start the game and one person would dial into the other. I remember my first multiplayer flight with Falcon AT around 89 with my brother in law.

 

Oh the good old days. I really loved my 300 baud modem.

[shagrat]

Thats when your mark point will say its like 800 miles away right?

Ahh, you found out the hard way? :megalol: Yeah, exactly... check for 37T / 38T in the CDU. The line above the "AB123567" coordinate, when set to UTM.

[pii]

Ahh, you found out the hard way? :megalol: Yeah, exactly... check for 37T / 38T in the CDU. The line above the "AB123567" coordinate, when set to UTM.

 

No I just saw a video of it so I am aware in case it happens.

[sobek]

Just so you know (like anyone cares) That is the way we used to do it back in the days before every one and their grandmother had a website with forums. We used to have to go to Usenet and some flight sim group like Alt.comp.flightsim or something like that. It was a basically the forums before we had forums but it didn't have any of this fancy shamcy quoting so I still have some habits from then.

 

I'm very familiar with usenet, i continue to use it to this very day, and i still have very vivid memories of how people used to tear me to shreds in usenet for not using good form on my first posts. Compared to that, this is usenet with training wheels. :);)

[pii]

I'm very familiar with usenet, i continue to use it to this very day, and i still have very vivid memories of how people used to tear me to shreds in usenet for not using good form on my first posts. Compared to that, this is usenet with training wheels. :);)

 

LOL I still use it also but not for discussion groups. :music_whistling:

[Headspace]

I'm very familiar with usenet, i continue to use it to this very day, and i still have very vivid memories of how people used to tear me to shreds in usenet for not using good form on my first posts. Compared to that, this is usenet with training wheels. :);)

I used it in the mid 90s as a teenager, often with teenager levels of politeness toward other people, sadly. I think people sometimes feel that there's an excuse these days to be a jerk, what with everyone being online.

Edited April 22, 2013 by Headspace

[Yurgon]

 

Just so you know (like anyone cares) That is the way we used to do it back in the days before every one and their grandmother had a website with forums. We used to have to go to Usenet and some flight sim group like Alt.comp.flightsim or something like that.

 

Well, who am I to derail from a detour. :D

 

Wouldn't it be proper Usenet quote style to limit lines to 70 characters, leaving room for up to 5 "> " levels of quotation so that lines would display correctly in people's 80 characters per line terminals, leaving the coloring to the terminal in question? ;)

[cichlidfan]

Wouldn't it be proper Usenet quote style to limit lines to 70 characters, leaving room for up to 5 "> " levels of quotation so that lines would display correctly in people's 80 characters per line terminals, leaving the coloring to the terminal in question? ;)

 

Your terminal has 80 columns? Cool!! :geek:

[Yurgon]

Your terminal has 80 columns? Cool!! :geek:

 

My Putty defaults to 156*60 nowadays. I don't think I ever limited any terminal to 80*25, but people I know in person kept reminding me how source code, emails and stuff like that should be limited to 80 characters per line because their terminals might be that limited. Sounded plausible to me. Though I never quite understood the point being made, coming from people that were the first to afford 19" monitors (19" CRTs, BTW). :D

[cichlidfan]

My Putty defaults to 156*60 nowadays.

 

My first monitor was for a C-64 and it was 40 columns x something. With a 300 baud modem I could read faster than the words scrolled up the screen.

[roadrabbit]

In the real world does the A10-C heading cursor on the ADI do more than just move around the dial in response to inputs? On most basic auto-pilots I have used you can have 'Heading Hold' (as in the A10-C simulation) as well as slaving the auto-pilot to the heading cursor (apparently not available in the simulation).

 

Just asking :music_whistling:

[shagrat]

In the real world does the A10-C heading cursor on the ADI do more than just move around the dial in response to inputs? On most basic auto-pilots I have used you can have 'Heading Hold' (as in the A10-C simulation) as well as slaving the auto-pilot to the heading cursor (apparently not available in the simulation).

 

Just asking :music_whistling:

I guess that is the difference between an AUTOpilot and the EAC (Enhanced Attitude Control) in the A-10C that was an upgrade... The original A-model had no EAC or autopilot.

 

I'm not even sure EAC and CDU are connected, the manual says the HSI gets navigation input from the CDU/EGI, but that doesn't mean the EAC does. It's still pretty much seat-of-your pants flying, without fancy gadgets. :D