control tips

[ebabil]

Obviously i got older a few years in a 1 hour as trying to control huey. hovering; is just a dream. i can't get rid of shaking as well. additionally heli tries to turn left or right violently. my all landing attempts finished in graveyard.

[[Knight]]

I find that the stick is way to sensitive. What i did was went in the axis tune and turned down the saturation for all my axis's and it helped a little. I just want to know how they were so smooth in the vids.

[TurboHog]

After a lot of testing, having experienced the same as you, I am now able to achieve somewhat of a hover.

 

Try the following user curve on your axis tune panel for cyclic:

 

0 2 5 10 18 28 42 57 71 86 100

 

This works better than any of the standard curvatures. This curve isn't really exponential, it basiscly consists of two linear parts with a smooth transition between them. Try it out and see if it works for you!

[sobek]

The problem is the "inadequacy" of our periphery. If you were to use a floor mounted stick of the appropriate length, flying would become a lot easier. In absence of said equipment, you will have to make do with adjusting your input sensitivity.

[RazorbackNL]

The cyclic needs to be sensitive in order to be one step ahead of the movement the Huey makes around the x and y axis, at least that is the way I like it.

 

I have found that instead of adjusting the different curves it works better for me to check the SLIDER box with each axis and leave the curves standard. Especially the pedal and collective axis become a lot better controlable with this option checked.

 

PS: I use a Hotas Cougar which I adapted to a floor mounted cyclic, using a universal joint from a car drive shaft.

Edited May 1, 2013 by Razorback[NL]

[LupinYonder]

A little like the Ka-50, once you get it trimmed ( I am using no rudder and standard trim options for the uh-1 ) it becomes a bit more stable and requires less aggressive inputs. You can trimm for takeoff beforehand useong the control indicator.

[Highwayman-Ed]

Honestly, I love it the way it is, don't change anything... I'm flying with a Warthog HOTAS and have spent the last couple of hours hover taxiing around Kobeleti, Batumi and the deck of the Carl Vinson.

 

It will take practice, patience and a lot of attention to detail, but once you learn how to control her as slow speed, you'll be ready for all of the wonderful scenarios the Mission Designers dream up.

[hassata]

This helped me: if you have a self-centering stick (not force feedback) check the center trimmer option in Options - Special (just remember you have to re-center stick to regain control after trimming). Set up a mission at an airport which gives you good FPS. Pull on collective until you get light on the skids. Input rudder and cyclic commands to keep the Huey in the same place on the ground. Trim. Then try hovering.

 

I'm sure the FM is going to continue to be refined. If you have the Huey under decent control now, it's only going to get easier.

[johno1066]

I just want to know how they were so smooth in the vids.

 

Practise, some of those chaps have been flying for years.

[WildBillKelsoe]

so, delivering el loco Espanol in the first campaign mission was easy.. except I *cked it up on trying to find the landing position. I landed at the airbase, nothing happened. Took off again, looked at map and there it was, the helipads... Good luck trying to land between the wires and the hinds... :(

[tintifaxl]

... Good luck trying to land between the wires and the hinds... :(

 

I managed. And if I can do it, everybody can - believe me, I'm a horrible copter pilot :pilotfly:

[skouras]

no problem with the oil rig as well

just play with the settings on your axis untill you are satisfied

[Robert1983NL]

The Huey in DCS is harder to fly than it is in real life. But I think this is because the lack of real controls, peripheral view and the seat of the pants feeling.

 

I don't think anything needs to change in the flight model, because it is REALLY good as it is now.

[mmaruda]

I'm not a real pilot, so I won't judge the FM, but as said before, the difficulty lies with the fact we don't have proper controls. I use a CH setup, so no fancy hall sensors and adjusting the curves doesn't really help much - it's just not precise enough for this helicopter. Some people mention that putting the joystick on a stool between your legs helps, since that's where the cyclic is in a real chopper. Anyway, it would be great, if there was an option to sort of dampen the controls for people without precise sticks - something like take off assist in the P-51D.

[Revelation]

Obviously i got older a few years in a 1 hour as trying to control huey. hovering; is just a dream. i can't get rid of shaking as well. additionally heli tries to turn left or right violently. my all landing attempts finished in graveyard.

 

Verify that your Axis are not configured for multiple controllers... For instance, initially, my rudder pedals, throttle and joystick all had the x-axis assigned. Same for the y.

 

Double check that.

 

I'm not a real pilot, so I won't judge the FM, but as said before, the difficulty lies with the fact we don't have proper controls. I use a CH setup, so no fancy hall sensors and adjusting the curves doesn't really help much - it's just not precise enough for this helicopter. Some people mention that putting the joystick on a stool between your legs helps, since that's where the cyclic is in a real chopper. Anyway, it would be great, if there was an option to sort of dampen the controls for people without precise sticks - something like take off assist in the P-51D.

 

They do, it's called auto-trim. I recommend not using it and getting familiar with the AC. If you get used to using "training wheels" it may take some time to re-learn to fly without them one day when you want fly it "right."

[mmaruda]

Where is the auto-trim thing and what does it do? All I can see is autopilot options and central position trimmer.

[EvilBivol-1]

By the way, I know most of us here gag at the mention of "game mode", but actually in the Huey game flight mode is the same FM, just with heavily increased damping. For those who really cannot configure their hardware for acceptable control levels, it is an option worth considering.

 

For the future, we are considering some kind of "damper" slider, similar to the "takeoff assist" in the P-51D.

[Robert1983NL]

In reality the force trim switch holds the stick in its current position when you release the force trim button. Since I guess almost no one has a force feedback stick, this is pretty hard to use with your joystick.

[Robert1983NL]

Adjusting/tuning your flight controls is absolutely not neccesary. What you DO need is yaw pedals. I use my G27 racing pedal set als my yaw pedals. Works pretty good.

[mmaruda]

I have CH pedals, they work pretty good, but it's the stick that lacks precision. I managed to "hover" for 30 seconds today, and I found that the key is not trimming, or holding the stick in place.

 

The trimmer is really useless here, when you need to constantly work with the stick. Without the precision of a very high resolution stick, you adjust the curves and the amount of movement needed for more deflection is way bigger. So trimming does not really help here.

Anyway, I found the key to success is "pumping" with the stick - moving it back and left, centring and again... That got me hovering quite nicely.

 

Landings on the other hand are near impossible. I cannot get this thing from a forward flight to a steady hover no matter what. I either end up in a vortex ring or start bouncing forward and back, but cannot really lose enough altitude to land. The only way to set her down is like plane - dive down, fly low, slightly flare and slide onto the ground. In most cases I manage not to brake anything, but it's hardly a proper landing.

[Robert1983NL]

Keep practicing :-) I was able to land it at 9000ft on a pinnacle after about one hour of flying. Without pedals.

[Mt5_Roie]

Keep practicing :-) I was able to land it at 9000ft on a pinnacle after about one hour of flying. Without pedals.

 

What are you doing for rudders?

[Robert1983NL]

Yesterday I was using my X52 stick. Today I use my G27 pedals. It's not ideal cuz they're car pedals, but it's a lot better than twisting the stick.

[WildBillKelsoe]

I managed. And if I can do it, everybody can - believe me, I'm a horrible copter pilot :pilotfly:

 

It's a question of the PITA cargo humming down for beer and the CO getting a cold one and stuff (sh*t).... You can't go forward faster than 100 or it will porpoise, on the other hand, you go higher and you lose speed. I also got a partial deafness today from the sound volume. After I crashed at the helipads, I was so :mad: and my ears started playing tricks on me. Really love it though.

[johno1066]

so, delivering el loco Espanol in the first campaign mission was easy.. except I *cked it up on trying to find the landing position. I landed at the airbase, nothing happened. Took off again, looked at map and there it was, the helipads... Good luck trying to land between the wires and the hinds... :(

 

Yeah, I had to do it all again cos I landed on the wrong pad and exited before seeing mission success lol. gonna go out and make me an extension to my cougar now.