Damage model, maybe not perfect yet :D

[Haukka81]

 

Half chopper missing, and i was still able to fly back to base about 10 miles .. Even autopilot chanels worked well. :D:D

 

 

Only warning was main hydro, well thats just scrath :megalol:

 

 

 

DCS World 1.2.4 BS2 Module.

 

-haukka81

[Rykane]

Nice, haha. I think the Russians expected their pilots to snap the tails off often so that it can be operated within these conditions. :lol:

[Mnemonic]

Actually Ka-50 can fly without tail IRL, they even did such tests. Can't find proof at the moment, but there where photos somewhere.

[Haukka81]

Actually Ka-50 can fly without tail IRL, they even did such tests. Can't find proof at the moment, but there where photos somewhere.

 

 

wow, pics please..

 

:smartass:

 

-haukka81

[joey45]

What was you expecting to do... spin round like you lost your tail rotor??

[Haukka81]

What was you expecting to do... spin round like you lost your tail rotor??

 

 

Well, maybe center of gravity would change and im pretty sure that its not just empty space ... :music_whistling:

[karambiatos]

Well, maybe center of gravity would change and im pretty sure that its not just empty space ... :music_whistling:

the center of gravity does change, and you can no longer go really fast since you have no tail and youll end up going side wise or start spinning if you go fast cant remember the actual kph but it somewhere around 200kmh

[Griffin]

I think AlphaOneSix said that it would be impossible to fly without the whole tail section. It's large, heavy and would create a huge CoG shift. I will be really surprised if there are pictures proving that possible!

[JG14_Smil]

Agree with Griffin.

 

I just went through the same thing... was flying home with damage when I accidentally went to an external view. Saw I was flying with no rear section of the helo and just quit the sim as it looked so silly.

[Robert1983NL]

Likely this is possible irl as well.

[Devrim]

I think we should send this to Mythbusters to examine it. :)

[ZaltysZ]

Tail provides stability and better control at high speed forward flight. In case of low speed, tail does not do much in coaxial design like Ka-50.

[upupandaway]

You will have to pull back your stick most of the way to hover in DCS, but apart from that nothing really happens.

[Goltred]

Oh... and i was so happy that the other day i managed to land home with half tail, no AP and no gear :(

 

[Oznerol256]

According to the DCS Black Shark manual, one of the reasons why the Russians are building coaxial combat helicopters is that they are able to fly without a tail.

[TimeKilla]

The Huey fly's without a tail rotor and section like that pic gonna post that in a video for them to watch know its not the KA-50 but the tail is more important to it.

[Oznerol256]

The Huey fly's without a tail rotor and section like that pic gonna post that in a video for them to watch know its not the KA-50 but the tail is more important to it.

 

AFAIK, helicopters with a tail rotor need the tail rotor to stop spinning, as the main rotor creates a lot of torque. So, a conventional helicopter (like the Huey) cant fly without a tail rotor for long as it will begin to spin uncontrollably.

[mmaruda]

That's obvious when you read about the design. Missiles hit the tail most of the time, so a coaxial design is the way to go in terms of survivability. It's all in the manual. ;)

[Bushmanni]

AFAIK, helicopters with a tail rotor need the tail rotor to stop spinning, as the main rotor creates a lot of torque. So, a conventional helicopter (like the Huey) cant fly without a tail rotor for long as it will begin to spin uncontrollably.

 

As long as the chopper has enough speed at least some models like Apache can fly and even land (will be more like a controlled crash though) without tailrotor.

[chromium]

As long as the chopper has enough speed at least some models like Apache can fly and even land (will be more like a controlled crash though) without tailrotor.

 

That is autorotation conditions, not flight.

[ARM505]

No, above a certain airspeed, the weathervane effect of the tail fins and tail are enough to keep some conventional helicopters straight enough to fly, even under power (ie torque is being applied). Once below that speed, they will start spinning though. They can be successfully landed at speed though, in theory.

[maturin]

Even if the KA-50 can fly without a tail, it's virtually impossible that an impact severing that much airframe wouldn't spray the rest of the chopper with fatal amounts of shrapnel. So it's not quite right unless you were attacked with a laser/chainsaw.

[Haukka81]

Even if the KA-50 can fly without a tail, it's virtually impossible that an impact severing that much airframe wouldn't spray the rest of the chopper with fatal amounts of shrapnel. So it's not quite right unless you were attacked with a laser/chainsaw.

 

 

+1

 

 

 

But this is just complex game so it wont never be perfect :)

[Davis0079]

except that the pilot and most of the important equipment are protected by armor......

 

 

 

plz read some of the manual and learn the basics about Armored attack helicopters before complaining about how things should just "explode on contact" like previous games

 

 

and P.S. , the KA-50 CAN fly without a tail, thats why they chose a coaxial design, and specifically did not install critical equipment in the rear

Edited May 5, 2013 by Davis0079

[maturin]

except that the pilot and most of the important equipment are protected by armor......

plz read some of the manual and learn the basics about Armored attack

Ooooohhh... they're ARMORED! Silly me, I must have forgotten.

I guess all those armored helicopters can't be shot down by anything, then. Because, after all, they're armored. I wonder why people still even use MANPADS.

 

 

and P.S. , the KA-50 CAN fly without a tail, thats why they chose a coaxial design, and specifically did not install critical equipment in the rear

Reading comprehension, if you please. A Ka-50 can fly after you surgically remove the tail, but anything that hits the tail hard enough to knock it completely off is almost certain to damage the rest of the bird as well, making it a casualty.

 

No one expects a chopper of any kind to survive a hit that dismembers it. It's small caliber bullets and minor fragments hitting vulnerable control cables and gear boxes that gives traditional helicopters trouble.