03 and 07 May 2013 Updates

[pii]

DCS: Lite is a nogo for me... But as I understood. Those jets will turn into full DCS models at a later timeframe (2015 probably)

 

How did you "understand" that? (of course I may have missed it due to all the crying I was doing)

What I got was that they are going to pull the f-15 and su-27 out of FC3 make them modules and add an AFM this year. The f-18 is probably several years down the road at best. I have to say I'm a little more than a little disappointed. :mad:

 

Guess we have to put our hopes on 3rd party developers for anything high fidelity in the near future.

 

I bought FC3 to support ED but it looks like they may have misinterpreted many of their customers. :huh:

 

This news sucks!

Edited May 7, 2013 by pii

[Rusty_M]

Why do so many people say "I bought x to support DCS"

 

I buy things for 4 reasons only:

 

1: I want it

2: I need it

3: I'm getting it for someone who wants it

4: I'm getting it for someone who needs it.

 

I haven't made any purchase with some pseudo-altruistic intent of supporting a company. I don't buy ED's products to support the company, but I notice that they release things I intend to play. If they release something I don't want, I won't buy it. Simples.

[cichlidfan]

Screw this, I'm fitting afterburners to my A-10C :smilewink:

 

I think BF3 or one of those already did that! ;)

[statrekmike]

This leaves me feeling very sad, I mean, I can't be the only one that interpreted Wag's May 3rd post as saying that they are indeed working on a DCS level F-15 and Su-27, now we find out that he really meant that we are just going to get FC3 level aircraft with a FM upgrade, that kinda feels like something that should have been made clear from the get go.

 

I agree with many on this thread that feel that the money they spent on FC3 was taken the wrong way, that ED saw those numbers and assumed that not enough people want a DCS level sim, I don't think that is the case at all, in fact, I can't really understand why we even need multiple product lines when the DCS level aircraft have realism options that one can tailor to their needs.

 

A lot of us are here because ED did something really amazing with it's DCS line of sims, it seemed like ED was the last bastion of combat flight simulation and that they were going to dedicate themselves to keeping this genre alive for those that enjoy it, I understand that business is business but how many steps back are we going to take? how long are we going to have to wait for the F/A-18? and furthermore, how long do you think your DCS level fanbase is willing to wait for another DCS level aircraft?

 

To put it another way, we need more information and we need it soon, the DCS level players here need to know how far along they really are on the F/A-18 so we can get a feeling for just how long this wait is going to be, many DCS level players I know are already moving back into BMS territory until we finally get a DCS level fast mover and I myself have had thoughts of joining them, now more than ever.

 

I know that it is a ton of work to make a DCS level sim, I understand that but we need a solid (and somewhat set in stone) roadmap so that everyone knows where they stand because as it looks right now, all the DCS fans are getting told that they don't matter as much as the FC crowd, clearly we just don't have as many votes in the electoral college of simulations due to sales volume.

 

I am glad the MiG-21 is coming out and I hope more 3rd parties come in and push hard for DCS level stuff because it is getting rather unclear when and if we are even going to see a DCS level fast mover at this rate.

 

Sorry for being negative, I am not saying that I won't support ED but I am going to be very careful where my money goes as to not give the wrong impression.

[pii]

Why do so many people say "I bought x to support DCS"

 

I buy things for 4 reasons only:

 

1: I want it

2: I need it

3: I'm getting it for someone who wants it

4: I'm getting it for someone who needs it.

 

I haven't made any purchase with some pseudo-altruistic intent of supporting a company. I don't buy ED's products to support the company, but I notice that they release things I intend to play. If they release something I don't want, I won't buy it. Simples.

 

So what that's you? Sorry we aren't the Borg collective :music_whistling:

 

I bought it because I liked what ED is doing with DCS and they're a small company, need to keep them alive. I also do at time like to fly the easier sims but after flying their AFM/HF sims its hard to enjoy FC3 planes, but that's just me.

 

I can understand how they would like to dump the lock on requirement but they should have done it from the start. (guess they really wanted to use the name Lock on real bad)

 

If their is a cheap upgrade for FC3 owners I'll probably buy the (again) just to support them, again.

 

Bottom line is, just because you do something doesn't mean we all have to do it that way also.

 

Take care and happy flying:pilotfly::joystick:

[dburne]

I bought it because I liked what ED is doing with DCS and they're a small company, need to keep them alive. I also do at time like to fly the easier sims but after flying their AFM/HF sims its hard to enjoy FC3 planes, but that's just me.

 

I did as well, I have bought all the modules with the exception of FC3 ( at least so far), to support ED and what they bring to the community.

[Milli]

This is all getting very complicated.

[NRG-Vampire]

So what that's you? Sorry we aren't the Borg collective :music_whistling:

 

I bought it because I liked what ED is doing with DCS and they're a small company, need to keep them alive. I also do at time like to fly the easier sims but after flying their AFM/HF sims its hard to enjoy FC3 planes, but that's just me.

 

I can understand how they would like to dump the lock on requirement but they should have done it from the start. (guess they really wanted to use the name Lock on real bad)

 

If their is a cheap upgrade for FC3 owners I'll probably buy the (again) just to support them, again.

 

Bottom line is, just because you do something doesn't mean we all have to do it that way also.

 

Take care and happy flying:pilotfly::joystick:

 

i dont understand you Mike: to develop F-15C and Su-27 AFMs for DCS level are first steps (actually that was third step: first were great external models, second were 6DOF cockpits)

why ED is not allowed to use these already devloped AFMs (that time) in FC3 ? (when FC3 is very/best popular)

 

but fourth and fifth and 6th steps need years more: read back few pages and look what i wrote and GGTharos :smilewink:

Edited May 7, 2013 by NRG-Vampire

[ericoh]

Okay, i think some here still did not understand this.

 

Heres the deal.

 

SU-27 & F-15C get a AFM Upgrade somwhere soon.

 

F/A-18 Development continues normal.

 

Somewhere in the future SU-27 & F-15C will be further developed to DCS A-10C fidelity.

 

Also SU-27 & F-15C will be available as seperate Add-ons (Not FC3).

 

Thats it, wags never said anything like the F/A-18 gets scrapped or put down by FC3. Where the heck did you take this from?

[pii]

This leaves me feeling very sad, I mean, I can't be the only one that interpreted Wag's May 3rd post as saying that they are indeed working on a DCS level F-15 and Su-27, now we find out that he really meant that we are just going to get FC3 level aircraft with a FM upgrade, that kinda feels like something that should have been made clear from the get go.

 

I agree with many on this thread that feel that the money they spent on FC3 was taken the wrong way, that ED saw those numbers and assumed that not enough people want a DCS level sim, I don't think that is the case at all, in fact, I can't really understand why we even need multiple product lines when the DCS level aircraft have realism options that one can tailor to their needs.

 

A lot of us are here because ED did something really amazing with it's DCS line of sims, it seemed like ED was the last bastion of combat flight simulation and that they were going to dedicate themselves to keeping this genre alive for those that enjoy it, I understand that business is business but how many steps back are we going to take? how long are we going to have to wait for the F/A-18? and furthermore, how long do you think your DCS level fanbase is willing to wait for another DCS level aircraft?

 

To put it another way, we need more information and we need it soon, the DCS level players here need to know how far along they really are on the F/A-18 so we can get a feeling for just how long this wait is going to be, many DCS level players I know are already moving back into BMS territory until we finally get a DCS level fast mover and I myself have had thoughts of joining them, now more than ever.

 

I know that it is a ton of work to make a DCS level sim, I understand that but we need a solid (and somewhat set in stone) roadmap so that everyone knows where they stand because as it looks right now, all the DCS fans are getting told that they don't matter as much as the FC crowd, clearly we just don't have as many votes in the electoral college of simulations due to sales volume.

 

I am glad the MiG-21 is coming out and I hope more 3rd parties come in and push hard for DCS level stuff because it is getting rather unclear when and if we are even going to see a DCS level fast mover at this rate.

 

Sorry for being negative, I am not saying that I won't support ED but I am going to be very careful where my money goes as to not give the wrong impression.

 

I feel your pain:pilotfly:Obviously its going to be some time before we see an ED study sim plane. I'd say 2 years min. if we're lucky:cry:

Can I wait that long? Really what other option do I have?

 

on the bright side I may a10c down pat by then!

[Esac_mirmidon]

"SU-27 & F-15C get a AFM Upgrade somewhere soon."

 

For free to FC3 owners?

 

Because i think everyone here are very happy with the AFM evolution for Flankers and Eagles, the development at DCS fidelity for F-18C, and the same at mid range for Su-27 and F-15C.

 

But what happens with people like me that bought FC3 not so long, a month i think, and now are reading the announcement of AFM for Fulcrums and Eagles.

 

We must pay for it and extra? The same price like people who never bought Lock On or FC/FC1.1.b/FC2/FC3?

 

If i know the day i´ve bought FC3 this news i will waited for this modules, instead of paying for FC3.

 

And i´m supporting ED for the very first time, buying all they products more than one time. ( also russian versions of it), and i´m very proud and happy with ED, but paying again for AFM ( I know FC3 don´t fund it ) for this fighters when i´ve recently have bought FC3 ...........uhmm little bit dissapointed.

[NoJoe]

This leaves me feeling very sad, I mean, I can't be the only one that interpreted Wag's May 3rd post as saying that they are indeed working on a DCS level F-15 and Su-27, now we find out that he really meant that we are just going to get FC3 level aircraft with a FM upgrade, that kinda feels like something that should have been made clear from the get go.

 

Well, to directly quote Matt's post:

 

"This is not to say that we will not also continue to create very high level of detail simulations. At a later point, we will further develop these aircraft to include mouse clickable cockpit and the same level of detail as the DCS: A-10C Warthog, but that is a massive effort that will take time."

 

Sounds like we get the best of both worlds: developing an aircraft to the DCS-level takes a very long time. So instead of having to wait for that, we get an FC3-level aircraft with AFM. Then later on we get the DCS level. Sounds great to me! :)

 

--NoJoe

 

[EDIT] I'm too slow. I think I just got, like, quadruple sniped. :P

[ericoh]

"SU-27 & F-15C get a AFM Upgrade somewhere soon."

 

For free to FC3 owners?

 

Because i think everyone here are very happy with the AFM evolution for Flankers and Eagles, the development at DCS fidelity for F-18C, and the same at mid range for Su-27 and F-15C.

 

But what happens with people like me that bought FC3 not so long, a month i think, and now are reading the announcement of AFM for Fulcrums and Eagles.

 

We must pay for it and extra? The same price like people who never bought Lock On or FC/FC1.1.b/FC2/FC3?

 

If i know the day i´ve bought FC3 this news i will waited for this modules, instead of paying for FC3.

 

And i´m supporting ED for the very first time, buying all they products more than one time. ( also russian versions of it), and i´m very proud and happy with ED, but paying again for AFM ( I know FC3 don´t fund it ) for this fighters when i´ve recently have bought FC3 ...........uhmm little bit dissapointed.

 

I dont know it 100%, but did you pay extra for the 6DOF cockpits? No. So first of all i would expect we get it free. Now if someone could set us clear with that.....

 

 

Greetings

[r3m]

Glad to read anything related to an A-10C level of detail module from ED, even if

I'll be pushing daisies instead of keys by the time it's released.

[NRG-Vampire]

Well, to directly quote Matt's post:

 

"This is not to say that we will not also continue to create very high level of detail simulations. At a later point, we will further develop these aircraft to include mouse clickable cockpit and the same level of detail as the DCS: A-10C Warthog, but that is a massive effort that will take time."

 

Sounds like we get the best of both worlds: developing an aircraft to the DCS-level takes a very long time. So instead of having to wait for that, we get an FC3-level aircraft with AFM. Then later on we get the DCS level. Sounds great to me! :)

 

--NoJoe

 

[EDIT] I'm too slow. I think I just got, like, quadruple sniped. :P

 

Great post NoJoe, i agree.

 

That was the most clean & clear, and positive comment on this forum since Matt post :thumbup:

 

Good news for all: for FC3 and for DCS

no DCS:Hornet delay because of FC3-AFMs

9 months is nine months :D

wait for next announcements/updates

[ericoh]

No comment.......

[MonnieRock]

This leaves me feeling very sad, I mean, I can't be the only one that interpreted Wag's May 3rd post as saying that they are indeed working on a DCS level F-15 and Su-27, now we find out that he really meant that we are just going to get FC3 level aircraft with a FM upgrade, that kinda feels like something that should have been made clear from the get go.

 

I feel the same way.

 

 

I am not the fighter jock type. I really enjoy pounding the ground and working closely with ground forces.

 

That being said, when I "assumed" the F-15C/Su-27 were going to be high fidelity DCS productions, I got excited about learning both airframes in all their awe. Not for Air to Air fighting but for the great experience to learn the systems,avionics,procedures,etc. Even if just navigating around,landing, piloting them in a non-combat role.

 

I bought FC3 just to do carrier landings in the Su-33. Do not even fly the F-15C/Su-27

 

So I guess back to the A-10C and UH-1H until F-18C comes out :noexpression:

 

Thank you,

Monnie

Edited May 8, 2013 by MonnieRock

[Esac_mirmidon]

The best thing of this news: Nobody are speaking about bugs anymore XDDDDDD ¡¡¡

[fedor]

The only hope is the MIG-21....this will be the only fighter with high level in DCS for many years....the last hope.

[Napa]

The best thing of this news: Nobody are speaking about bugs anymore XDDDDDD ¡¡¡

 

Or Nevada EDGE :lol::lol::megalol:

[element1108]

Seems to make sense to me, the f18c will be epic on its release. Lots to play with until then.

[jp203000]

ED's logic is simple. Makeing a A10C level needs three elements : Model, AFM, Avionics,any of them are time and money consuming.ED can not live without any income throughout the whole development process. So they just earn a little money from model ,then AFM step by step. After the Avionics is complete, the only thing need to do is to combine the model ,AFM ,Avionics and then a A10C level product is done.

[billeinstein]

It's not good to see two types of F-15C or Su-27 with different FMs in a same server.

[Valinor]

I have paid for, well, all modules..

 

Black shark 1, BS2, A10C, FC3, CA, Huey.. for the CA i did it even mostly more to support ED than from the actual enjoyment i would get from CA itself, but i really can't do this again, especially not with such modules, i woudn't see me paying more than 5 euros for one, and i really really doubt that would be the price. I was also hoping to see the F18C first, but oh well.

 

My only hope is that this strategy will bring them some more cash as they hope to get, but i find it still unfair for FC3 users to not receive the AFM for free.

[NoJoe]

Great post NoJoe, i agree.

 

No comment.......

 

Heh, thanks Vampire.

 

Though Ericoh totally beat me to it while I was typing. :P

 

I have to say, I don't quite understand a lot of the negativity regarding Matt's announcements.. A lot of people feel disappointed that a new DCS-level fast jet is not going to be here yet, and I get that. But if I want it now I just remind myself that I could always go program one myself... :smartass:

 

(actually no, I couldn't)

 

Eagle Dynamics is doing awesome stuff, that almost nobody else in the flight sim world is doing to the same (extreme) level of detail. It takes time to do this, so it just means I have to wait. If I get bored of waiting, I'll just go run around outside, or fly the A-10C, or the Blackshark, or go fly Falcon BMS or X-Plane. There's plenty to keep me occupied! :)

 

The announcement of the F-15C and Su-27SM being FC3-level first and DCS-level later doesn't mean I've "lost" anything, and doesn't leave me disappointed. If anything it gives me more awesome simming to look forward to!

 

Again, if it takes time, then it takes time. [shrug] There's really nothing we can do about that other than wait, so we might as well enjoy our time waiting. :thumbup:

 

--NoJoe

(then again, people have always said I'm an optimistic kind of person :P )