A10 Training from a real A10 Crew Chief

[Supersheep]

Can someone shoot this thread down, please?

It doesn't need to get personal, but it is heading there.

 

 

I can't believe this is the community I joined two years ago.

 

Supersheep

[Robert1983NL]

And that loses you any entitlement to any reasonable argument going forward.

 

Seriously, go and have a think about how you could have put your points across in the manner of a professional aviator and someone responsible for the defence of their nation - rather then that of a childish internet troll.

 

Further to that, I would encourage you to have your unit TO explain to you (probably for the umpteenth time) the benefits of CRM, or even the basics from the sounds of it. If nothing, for the sake of your crew at least.

 

Someone came here and decided to give knowledge they thought would benefit the community. Wether it did or not, is not up for debate as you cannot comment on that at all, as you did not take part. Neither did I, so I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and applaud him in his effort of benefiting the community.

 

You are the one who is not "getting it". You have offered no input, no betterment and no adding of knowledge. You have the knowledge but not the time, that is fair enough, but it does not give you the right to call into question the motives or manner in which other people do choose to give knowledge. That is reserved for people who have actually chosen to contribute, not stand at the side and criticise.

 

You are embarrassing yourself with several logical fallacies and embarrassing your rank, uniform and service with your attitude. What's more... you are actively p*ssing on this community by discouraging people from adding to our collective knowledge. And I for one, do not like being covered in p*ss.

 

I refer you to one of my previous posts because you're also one of the people who just doesn't get what I'm saying.

 

Edit: just for you I'll elaborate again. I applaud people who want to spend time teaching stuff, it helps everyone. I just put question marks at the fact that in the OP there's a lot of gravity on the authority of the crewchief figure. Critical as I am, I question it. Without questioning and without being critical, there would be no realism. In fact, there would be no flying at all.

Edited May 20, 2013 by Robert1983NL
thickness of some skulls

[par2005]

[TurboHog]

I think it's a nice idea and a good opportunity to get a look 'behind the scenes'. A crew chief may not be ideal to get to know all the ins and outs of the A10, but I believe he has more than sufficient knowledge for teaching flight simmers.

 

It's clear that there are different opinions in this matter. That's nothing special, for if there were no differences in opinions, the C in DCS would not have been invented.

 

Regarding Robert, he's actually a nice guy to fly with and for those who question it: he actually is an active military pilot.

 

Now let's move on, shall we?

[[Knight]]

I like tater-totts!!!

[IonicRipper]

Guys, seriously...

 

[ericoh]

I think it's a nice idea and a good opportunity to get a look 'behind the scenes'. A crew chief may not be ideal to get to know all the ins and outs of the A10, but I believe he has more than sufficient knowledge for teaching flight simmers.

 

It's clear that there are different opinions in this matter. That's nothing special, for if there were no differences in opinions, the C in DCS would not have been invented.

 

Regarding Robert, he's actually a nice guy to fly with and for those who question it: he actually is an active military pilot.

 

Now let's move on, shall we?

 

 

Very nice guy. :lol:

[Snoopy]

I'm not gonna get into the back and forth it it's very obvious that people have no idea what being a crew chief is in the USAF. I'm no avionics expert but I do a hell of a lot more than kick tires and check oil. The air worthiness of the aircraft is my responsibility. I do major hydraulic repairs. Shit I've even hung and removed A-10 and F-15 wings.

 

I've had more pilots call a red ball for a "broke" system that we fixed by "recycling the power switch" meaning he/she didn't turn it on than crew chiefs making such errors

 

A pilot with integrity appreciates his maintainers. He breaks the jet, we fix it. Without us he wouldn't fly and guess what....if I want to ground the jet I have the power...a simple red pencil and a red X and the ACFT is grounded and he/she isn't flying

 

Anyways, that's my 2 cents and with that Im done with this subject.

 

Any USAF crew Dawgs wanna BS, share funny flt line stories hit me up with a PM

[Cookie]

I do a hell of a lot more than kick tires and check oil.

You mean you also clean the canopy? Without supervision, all by yourself?

 

:D

:beer:

[Nealius]

Looks like some people in this thread need to watch "Jetstream"...

[Yskonyn]

 

A pilot with integrity appreciates his maintainers. He breaks the jet, we fix it. Without us he wouldn't fly and guess what....if I want to ground the jet I have the power...a simple red pencil and a red X and the ACFT is grounded and he/she isn't flying

 

Aww Snoopy, come on man, you guys break stuff on the jets too! :D

And the reason us pilots sometimes write down stuff in the books that need fixin', while you can just make it dead and its reset, is because we take that thing up into the air, that kinda activates some different rules when something gets f&cked up, instead of being leisurely on firm ground. Lol! I guess that goes doubly for a combat bird! :D

Peace Boss

[Harzach]

Just for you I'll elaborate again. I applaud people who want to spend time teaching stuff, it helps everyone. I just put question marks at the fact that in the OP there's a lot of gravity on the authority of the crewchief figure. Critical as I am, I question it. Without questioning and without being critical, there would be no realism. In fact, there would be no flying at all.

 

Just for you, I'll make this point again:

 

The only reason you are raising a stink is because the person offering this class has close personal real-world knowledge of the aircraft.

 

Here, I'll say it again with emphasis:

 

The only reason you are raising a stink is because the person offering this class has close personal real-world knowledge of the aircraft.

 

I'm glad your paranoid contrarianism isn't common around here.

[Snoopy]

You mean you also clean the canopy? Without supervision, all by yourself?

 

:D

:beer:

 

I don't clean the canopy...that's why we have A1Cs and SRA :D

[Robert1983NL]

Just for you, I'll make this point again:

 

The only reason you are raising a stink is because the person offering this class has close personal real-world knowledge of the aircraft.

 

Here, I'll say it again with emphasis:

 

The only reason you are raising a stink is because the person offering this class has close personal real-world knowledge of the aircraft.

 

I'm glad your paranoid contrarianism isn't common around here.

 

Borrowed this one. It's absolutely hilarious and totally sums up this thread and underlines my point EXACTLY.

 

Edited May 20, 2013 by Robert1983NL

[Snoopy]

Borrowed this one from Damien. It's absolutely hilarious and totally sums up this thread and underlines my point EXACTLY.

 

:doh:

[Damien]

I guess look at it this way. I am a firefighter. I have a working relationship with my dispatchers but I would not trust a tutorial on advanced fire behaviors, or how to do an emergency tracheotomy on a choking victim (emt), or a felony stop on a wanted fugitive (police). Don't get me wrong, some dispatchers come with some experience as firefighters, EMT's or police officers.. many do not. In this case, the crew chief cannot tell you how to fly a combat mission from real life experience as he is not a pilot.. only a maintainer.

 

I find irony in the fact that someone with one post has garnered more reputation from users here than the active military aviator with hundreds of posts here who dared to question the crew chiefs knowledge in flying the aircraft in combat missions..

 

I'm done with this pissing match.

 

-Damien

Edited May 20, 2013 by Damien

[Madone]

I think this guy cannot make the difference between respect for somebody (I think a lot of civilians are grateful towards armed forces and respect them, that's the least we can do) and adulation...

 

Btw, I think that doesn't cost anything to hear a crew chief talking, I don't fear knowledge, whatever I can take, I'll take it, and maybe some players are interested in that job and could learn from someone who is in the business.

 

I don't see the point of trying to break the fun, peoples around here are mature enough to know what they want.

 

End of discussion for me.

[WarthogSmurf]

:doh:

 

+1 (didnt have the rep anymore boss)

 

You still remain mine A-10C Air crew chief god. Still love the stories heard from ppl working on A-10's or any other flight crew for that matter.

 

And to the Op dont disencourage because one guy doesnt like it. Keep up the good work so other have fun ;).

 

(Still love to hear that youtube)

Edited May 20, 2013 by WarthogSmurf

[Harzach]

Borrowed this one. It's absolutely hilarious and totally sums up this thread and underlines my point EXACTLY.

 

Well, it certainly makes it clear that you are indeed trolling the forum.

[Robert1983NL]

Well, it certainly makes it clear that you are indeed trolling the forum.

 

You STILL don't get it. I might've trolled a little bit. But the core of my message remains and is very valid and also summarized in the picture. But I guess people just don't accept any form of criticism/rationalism here. That's a pity.

[ericoh]

You STILL don't get it. I might've trolled a little bit. But the core of my message remains and is very valid and also summarized in the picture. But I guess people just don't accept any form of criticism/rationalism here. That's a pity.

 

Does that go for you aswell?

[scrapple]

Well all I can say is that in the short time I've been playing DCS A-10 I've learned a hell of a lot more about how the A-10 is flown in the real world from a real-world A-10 crew chief (paulrkiii) than I have from someone who claims to be an active military pilot (Robert1983NL).

[Robert1983NL]

Does that go for you aswell?

Nope.

[Napa]

...:yawn:

Edited May 21, 2013 by Innerloop

[AlphaOneSix]

Look, for better or worse, Robert has a certain idea of what a "crew chief" is and does. The reality is that his definition of "crew chief" is perfectly legitimate based on his experiences. It also happens that in some services/activities, a "crew chief" does a lot more than what Robert has experienced.

 

In other words, it's pretty clear that not everyone participating in this thread has the same definition of "crew chief". Where I'm from, crew chiefs are required crewmembers.