OB1 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 It isn't a matter of debate. It's a 'matter of debate' only to those who believe in magical anti-stealth radars. Who said anything about magical anti-stealth radars ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB1 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) Quick another picture :) Was the F-35's competition. You don't even need to know anything about this plane to see why it lost the acquisition program Edited July 10, 2013 by OB1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaupower32 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 As a few have said, the f-35 will at first fly full stealth to take out key targets while escorted by F-22s. They will be In constant communication through data link, and one air dominance has been achieved, they will start loading externals and really start bringing the pain. "There is always a small microcosm of people who need to explain away their suckage" [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Here is what the DCS sky is going to look like in about a year :D The P-51 is in for a bad day... :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedaway Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 What does mean the red/green/yellow color in the scheme ? DCS Wish: Turbulences affecting surrounding aircraft... [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3P - Intel Core i5 6600K - 16Gb RAM DDR4-2133 - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 Gaming - 8 Go - 2 x SSD Crucial MX300 - 750 Go RAID0 - Screens: HP OMEN 32'' 2560x1440 + Oculus Rift CV1 - Win 10 - 64bits - TM WARTHOG #889 - Saitek Pro Rudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 What does mean the red/green/yellow color in the scheme ? I would guess the different radar signatures (Overlayed) using the different bands.... :book: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk0425 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 (edited) http://ericpalmer.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/the-l-band-game-changer/ Earliest use of the picture I could find. According to some of the comments it means red is visible. Take it for what it's worth but the author also references a certain website that nobody here takes seriously. Edited July 10, 2013 by kk0425 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cedaway Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 So, does that mean (if well understood) it is the coverage of the antennas (per band) of the F-35 around its airframe? But I thought it has a full spherical coverage DCS Wish: Turbulences affecting surrounding aircraft... [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC] Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3P - Intel Core i5 6600K - 16Gb RAM DDR4-2133 - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080 G1 Gaming - 8 Go - 2 x SSD Crucial MX300 - 750 Go RAID0 - Screens: HP OMEN 32'' 2560x1440 + Oculus Rift CV1 - Win 10 - 64bits - TM WARTHOG #889 - Saitek Pro Rudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TZeer Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I would take all that with a grain of salt. Here is some other info: Nov 2005: The U.S. Air Force, in it’s effort to get money to build more F-22s, has revealed just how “stealthy” the F-22 is. It’s RCS (Radar Cross Section) is the equivalent, for a radar, to a metal marble. The less stealthy (and much cheaper) F-35, is equal to a metal golf ball. The F-35 stealthiness is a bit better than the B-2 bomber, which, in turn, was twice as good as that on the even older F-117. And taken from Ben Rich's book about the Skunk Works. So they perch the F-117 or Have Blue or Senior Trend or other code name model on the wooden pole, or whatever. The Sandia engineer says something is wrong, as they can't get a "baseline" RCS or whatever. Just then a bird lands on the model and the equipment gets a reading. He tells the Lockheed folks, "O.K., our equipment is working now". And this was over 20 years ago. A lot of info, and pulling in different direction. Some say it's crap, some say it's good. Truth is, we will never know, and the military will never reveal the true numbers... But it's fun to speculate :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangi Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 You are right we will not know for certain, but I dont think it will be too long before enough of this info leeks out for us to get a pretty good idea of its stealthiness, or we could just ask the Chinese.... I would take all that with a grain of salt. Truth is, we will never know, and the military will never reveal the true numbers... But it's fun to speculate :) PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk0425 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 So, does that mean (if well understood) it is the coverage of the antennas (per band) of the F-35 around its airframe? But I thought it has a full spherical coverage I think it means how vulnerable it is to other radar spectrums. Meaning VHF and L band have almost no resistance to it. I would take all that with a grain of salt. Take it for what it's worth but the author also references a certain website that nobody here takes seriously. :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPY Variable Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Quick another picture :) Was the F-35's competition. You don't even need to know anything about this plane to see why it lost the acquisition program It´s not about looks.. the thing that I like about this plane is that it was waaaaayyyyy cheaper than the actual F-35.. it was a delta wing (so no need for conventional elevators), easier construction and the hover mechanism was much simpler and with at least half of moving parts.. the plane was supposed to be cheap.. Still a very funny picture :megalol: Interl i7 6700k - 32Gb RAM DDR4 - RX 590 8GB - Sentey 32"2560x1440 - Saitek X-55 - TrackIr 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickNZ Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish we could have seen the F-23 - I just think it has really sleak looking lines - looks way better than the F-22 IMO. :) DCS F-35A Follow us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/DCSF35 DCS F-35A Kickstarter: DCS F-35A Website: http://www.kinneyinteractive.com/#!dcs-f-35-lightning-ii/c1bom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taproot Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish that all pledgers under $100, up theyre pledge atleast one pledge higher.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npole Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish they'll cancel this, to dedicate their efforts to something "better" for DCS (a fourth gen fighter). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TZeer Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Looking forward to start testing this thing :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit. Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish they'll cancel this, to dedicate their efforts to something "better" for DCS (a fourth gen fighter). WOW. I get that you dont like the project but the selfishness and disregard you show for all the people in this community that are looking forward to it is simply astonishing. if you dont like it you dont have to buy it. why wish for it to fail is beyond me. on another note. the latest screens seem promising thank for the update. seems like the kickstarter isnt going to make it but looking forward to being part of the opeval anyway. I admire the determination showed by the KI team. so much pointless criticism can undermine anyone. thankfully I think the support shown by a large part of the community is will keep you guys going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winz Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish they'll cancel this, to dedicate their efforts to something "better" for DCS (a fourth gen fighter). And I kinda wist they wont, because I think we have been stuck in the 80s for far too long. The Valley A-10C Version Revanche for FC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TZeer Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish they'll cancel this, to dedicate their efforts to something "better" for DCS (a fourth gen fighter). I kinda wish you cancelled this thread, and dedicated your effort elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npole Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 LOL dude why do you even participate in this thread? It must be because this thread is in the DCS forum. Hundreds of people feeling positive and happy at a possible F-35 and a professional team taking an interest in our our sim World which should make ED wealthier. It would be better to concentrate the effort for something better IMO. But still you manage to somehow only see the bad side. No, I don't. Lighten up man, it's just a computer game. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npole Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 And I kinda wist they wont, because I think we have been stuck in the 80s for far too long. I agree, but it would suits much better with the whole rest.. eventually. But the problem isn't just about the era (what about the P52?), but about the info available for a certain aircraft (we discussed much about it in the previous pages tho). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metheluckydonut Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish that all pledgers under $100, up theyre pledge atleast one pledge higher.. WOW just WOW. People already gave money and you want that they give even more? DCS Wishlist: Ka 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvi Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I kinda wish they'll cancel this, to dedicate their efforts to something "better" for DCS (a fourth gen fighter). What if KI doesn't want to do any other fighter than the F-35? Serious uglies Discord 4YA - Project Overlord WW2 Server My DCS Videos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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