DCS F-35A

[Scoggs]

I forgot to mention that I really like your OPEVAL beta program you guys have lined up. It feels like the way a real life test program would be set up.

 

Also your interaction with the community is great and will most likley lead to more success. I wish you the best!

[TimeKilla]

I see your $250 and raise you to $500! :D

 

waiting for pay day. might raise you to :P

[beaupower32]

Since I am sure that there will be alot of F-35 information discussed comming soon, we need to be mindful of OPSEC. I also PM'ed Wags, but here is the info. Hopefully they will make this post, or least the text of it, a sticky so we all can know it. This deffently applies for me as well.

 

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Statute:

 

 

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[Flagrum]

I forgot to mention that I really like your OPEVAL beta program you guys have lined up. It feels like the way a real life test program would be set up.

This is one part I am looking forward to. I mean, isn't it a bit awesome that while the real F-35 is being developed, tested and put into service ... we are doing exactly that, too? It is like DCS is not a flight sim anymore, but a sim of the whole process we are following day to day in the news? :-D

[TimeKilla]

lucky am not american. :thumbup:

Edited June 28, 2013 by TimeKilla

[Flagrum]

(2) concerning the design, construction, use, maintenance, or repair of any device, apparatus, or appliance used or prepared or planned for use by the United States or any foreign government for cryptographic or communication intelligence purposes;

 

... and this is why we don't have any IFF stuff in our planes? Ooph ... lol ... uhm, okay.

[SkateZilla]

I see your $250 and raise you to $500! :D

 

I see your $500, and wish it was mine.:megalol::megalol::helpsmilie::helpsmilie:

[xaoslaad]

I've pledged. More than I probably should have. My wife is gonna kill me when she sees the bill.

 

What are the chances of an LHD instead of an LHA? She was stationed on the Bataan so maybe I can get some leeway by telling her now I can take off and land on her old ship. :D

[cichlidfan]

To add to what beaupower32 said above, this doesn't necessarily mean a document has to be classified. Please see this as well. http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/submit/guidance/distribstatement.html There are many documents floating around the net, that although unclassified were never intended for viewership of other than DOD/Government and its affiliated contractors approved under that specific project.

 

All true, and very relevant if you are, or plan to be, a US government/contractor employee. Otherwise, not so much.

 

That is with regard to viewing such documents, as opposed to disseminating them.

[Voodoo-chacal]

$ 500? much money to buy the simulator ...

what is this a joke?

the modules have to be sold to $ 40 ~ 50 , not more than that.

I think the que DCS Should ban this abusive value ...

 

Another idea who deposit $ 500 will be charged $ 150 for the F-35 A, B, C

and the remaining $ 350 turn into credit for new modules

[kk0425]

$ 500? much money to buy the simulator ...

what is this a joke?

the modules have to be sold to $ 40 ~ 50 , not more than that.

I think the que DCS Should ban this abusive value ...

 

Another idea who deposit $ 500 will be charged $ 150 for the F-35 A, B, C

and the remaining $ 350 turn into credit for new modules

 

So then don't pledge that amount? Remember, you're showing support, not preordering.

[Paradox]

$ 500? much money to buy the simulator ...

what is this a joke?

the modules have to be sold to $ 40 ~ 50 , not more than that.

I think the que DCS Should ban this abusive value ...

 

Another idea who deposit $ 500 will be charged $ 150 for the F-35 A, B, C

and the remaining $ 350 turn into credit for new modules

 

The minimum cost of the module is $28. Read more carefully.

[Voodoo-chacal]

So then don't pledge that amount? Remember, you're showing support, not preordering.

 

then it would be more acceptable a pre order in the amount of $ 50

[outlawal2]

$ 500? much money to buy the simulator ...

what is this a joke?

the modules have to be sold to $ 40 ~ 50 , not more than that.

I think the que DCS Should ban this abusive value ...

 

Another idea who deposit $ 500 will be charged $ 150 for the F-35 A, B, C

and the remaining $ 350 turn into credit for new modules

 

Is it really that tough a concept? You are SUPPORTING the publisher, not BUYING really anything. The incentives are exactly that.. INCENTIVES designed to raise cash to fund the program/

 

If you don't want to pitch in and support with your wallet then don't...

MANY folks do wish to support the project so please don't muddy up the process or this thread due to a lack of comprehension on your part about what the Kick Starter program is about..

[Voodoo-chacal]

Is it really that tough a concept? You are SUPPORTING the publisher, not BUYING really anything. The incentives are exactly that.. INCENTIVES designed to raise cash to fund the program/

 

If you don't want to pitch in and support with your wallet then don't...

MANY folks do wish to support the project so please don't muddy up the process or this thread due to a lack of comprehension on your part about what the Kick Starter program is about..

 

pre order would no longer be a kick start ?

pre order also serves as the kick start !!!

[karambiatos]

pre order would no longer be a kick start ?

pre order also serves as the kick start !!!

you forgot to read that a backer at a certain level gets all the rewards up to that level so at $50 dollars you are getting a digital copy of the the game

and at $38 you are as well.

 

 

 

im surprised that they are about to run out of $38 pledges and its only been a day :thumbup:

Edited June 28, 2013 by karambiatos

[xaoslaad]

So, unless they get $75,000 they can't afford to make the game. How much is it worth for you to help ensure an F-35 module gets made? $0? $28? $50? $100? $150? $250? $500. More?

 

Some people want to see the project a little and some a lot. Offer what you're willing to pay. That's the premise behind kickstarter...

[cichlidfan]

im surprised that they are about to run out of $38 pledges and its only been a day :thumbup:

 

What the ... are you talking about?

[Revelation]

you forgot to read that a backer at a certain level gets all the rewards up to that level so at $50 dollars you are getting a digital copy of the the game

and at $38 you are as well.

 

 

 

im surprised that they are about to run out of $38 pledges and its only been a day :thumbup:

 

What the ... are you talking about?

 

I think karambiatos misread the number of remaining pledges as the number of pledges at the $28 level.

[schkorpio]

And I would mention that a typical module would cost $40 or $50 dollars so if you DO intend to purchase this module once it is available, please kick $50 in NOW... This will ensure that a final product is completed and you are not out anything if it fails. You are not charged anything until the goal is reached so please kick in $50 and you get the finished module plus the opportunity to play it before anyone else.

 

We really have nothing to lose by contributing now and everything to lose (as far as this sim goes) if we don't...

 

(For the record I have contributed my $100 already..)

 

Actually you do have quite a lot to lose, there is no way to guarantee the quality of the module, as well as the timing - it might not come out or be 100% playable for 5 years for all we know.

 

While if you wait until its released you will know exactly what you are paying for.

 

Don't mean to be negative, I really hope that this module ends up being as good as any of the others and I'm looking forward to flying this thing! :)

[outlawal2]

Actually you do have quite a lot to lose, there is no way to guarantee the quality of the module, as well as the timing - it might not come out or be 100% playable for 5 years for all we know.

 

While if you wait until its released you will know exactly what you are paying for.

 

Don't mean to be negative, I really hope that this module ends up being as good as any of the others and I'm looking forward to flying this thing! :)

 

You do have a point but keep in mind that if everyone took this view, NOTHING will ever get done as the whole point of the KickStarter is to obtain project startup funds.. So if you don't pitch in early, there IS no project.. And thus no F35 plane to fly..

 

Self-fulfilling prophecy there...

[OzStriker]

You do have a point but keep in mind that if everyone took this view, NOTHING will ever get done as the whole point of the KickStarter is to obtain project startup funds.. So if you don't pitch in early, there IS no project.. And thus no F35 plane to fly..

 

Self-fulfilling prophecy there...

 

This is not correct, most ventures that get financial backing will provide a percentage of profit to those financial backers.

 

For whatever reason this project is not going down the conventional route for obtaining financial backing.

 

Why is a jet fighter sim of a current jet fighter which will be around for 50 years unable to find financial backing from conventional means?

 

This makes me just sit back and watch for a bit rather than coughing up money.

[smnwrx]

 

Why is a jet fighter sim of a current jet fighter which will be around for 50 years unable to find financial backing from conventional means?

 

 

Not trying to be cheaky, just would like to know what the conventional options are?

[OzStriker]

A conventional option to me is having a financially and commercially viable project that would attract investors whom take a financial interest in the project - investors who see the risk of investing as being a worthwhile one because they see promise in the product being advertised. If this hasn't happened it just makes me nervous that kickstarter is what you do next.

 

On the other hand, games like Call of Duty which are built around the above model are just appeal to the masses, almost risk-free projects.

 

I don't know...I can't decide whether to give my money away now or wait.

 

I'll be quiet now :)

[cheap charlie]

Im just weary of anybody wearing a rug. The presumption is of course that they can pass off a rug as real hair and we cant tell the difference.

Applying that thought process in the production of the the 35A? well lets just say it could get a little hairy ..:clown_2:

 

Edited June 29, 2013 by cheap charlie