Are Hardcore DCS study sims going away?

[Ells228]

According to the A-10C mechanic, nope you can't mate ;)

Certain sequences have been left out of the DCS product.

 

Now yeah you'd have a damned good go at giving a try if you got to sit in a pit though wouldn't you, I know I would haha

 

Now older planes with a little less complexity, like the Hawk, sure you could start that baby up easily.

[cichlidfan]

According to the A-10C mechanic, nope you can't mate ;)

Certain sequences have been left out of the DCS product.

 

 

Obviously, the AF did not want to give us the tools to 'jack' one of their A-10's!! :P

[NineLine]

I its all the same to you guys, I will continue to tell my family and friends I could start the A-10 at the airshow :P

 

According to the A-10C mechanic, nope you can't mate ;)

Certain sequences have been left out of the DCS product.

 

Now yeah you'd have a damned good go at giving a try if you got to sit in a pit though wouldn't you, I know I would haha

 

Now older planes with a little less complexity, like the Hawk, sure you could start that baby up easily.

[WarthogSmurf]

Guys, do you really think the A-10C is 100% accurate to the real one.

 

yeah , but a lot of folks here think it is. Form my POV I dont even know how a real A-10C nor a F-35 will ever fly. So even if it is modeled 10,20 or 30%. If the systems are logical and it makes sense then it is fine for me.

 

is a study sim dead , i dont think so seeing how much is still being developed, new platforms opening up etc. They same thing can be said about space "sim" games. The big crowd wants hollywood games but there is a smaller more loyal crowd (with way more funds) that likes games that are out of the box. look at Minecraft, World of tanks and our own DCS World.

 

Wll DCS World ever be a main stream game where kiddies go play ? Nope

[Ells228]

Will DCS World ever be a main stream game where kiddies go play ? Nope

 

And thanks the Gods for ED not publicly pushing "game mode" on the A-10C to the kiddies, Lord knows how that would have ruined our experiences.

 

Flying an A-10C with a gamepad, come on!!

 

And space sims, look how much we've invested in SC, just in this DCS group ;)

[NineLine]

I'm sorry you can't base a company or "team" by their website.

 

I agree to a certain extent... I have seen some pretty half assed crappy websites over the years, and whether people want to admit it or not, its a reflection on their product (people do judge a book by its cover, even though mom told us not to).

 

Now I don't think KI's website is horrible at all, its not my favorite layout, but by no means do I get the feeling they dont care... more so that they arent graphic designers (to be honest it almost seems like they are trying to capture the feel of the F-35 cockpit display but coming up short maybe).

 

Whomever said that their website was terrible and therefore they will field a terrible product was talking out of their ass anyways :)

 

Oh and your website is fine as well Ells :)

[Ells228]

I agree to a certain extent... I have seen some pretty half assed crappy websites over the years, and whether people want to admit it or not, its a reflection on their product (people do judge a book by its cover, even though mom told us not to).

 

Now I don't think KI's website is horrible at all, its not my favorite layout, but by no means do I get the feeling they dont care... more so that they arent graphic designers (to be honest it almost seems like they are trying to capture the feel of the F-35 cockpit display but coming up short maybe).

 

Whomever said that their website was terrible and therefore they will field a terrible product was talking out of their ass anyways :)

 

Oh and your website is fine as well Ells :)

 

Oh god when I look back over the years I've designed some pretty crappy websites lol

 

I think my best work was for a clan for Worms World Party haha

 

Thanks, I'll get around to doing it one of these days.

[WarthogSmurf]

I agree to a certain extent... I have seen some pretty half assed crappy websites over the years, and whether people want to admit it or not, its a reflection on their product (people do judge a book by its cover, even though mom told us not to).

 

 

Actually I find the DCS website crap tbh too. Seems they pumped out some nice product. :megalol:

 

 

@Ell28 I still blame you for me considering the damn const. on SC.:D

[NineLine]

Well thats my point too, just because maybe their website isnt the greatest, it doesnt mean they cant make a good flight sim, on the other hand, these days, a website is a very important part of their marketing, especially when everything is bought through it... it better function and look decent.

 

I think ED's site functions just fine... the look is decent... but its dated.

 

Actually I find the DCS website crap tbh too. Seems they pumped out some nice product. :megalol:

[Nealius]

According to the A-10C mechanic, nope you can't mate ;)

Certain sequences have been left out of the DCS product.

 

Yeah, the ground crew ;)

 

From looking through the -1 I don't really see many "sequences" left out except for those which require ground crew. The manuals never mention specific SOPs about anything though.

Edited June 19, 2013 by Nealius

[104th_Crunch]

Um, I see talk about A10 and P51, dont forget the excellent Ka50!

 

The fact is ED are working on a F18, so we will have an ED released jet fighter eventually along with their projects running in parallel.

 

Then there are the 3rd party releases. Regardless of the level of detail, we will have options to buy more modules. You don't have to buy them, but they are there to buy if you choose. Nothing wrong with options as I have said many times.

 

What's with the negative, elitist, self entitlement attitudes I'm seeing recently on these forums. DCS is developing into the greatest combat sim that ever was for the hard core and casual player. ED listen, then deliver. Vote with your money and don't buy a module if you disagree. I bet you will by most modules anyway lol.

[Feuerfalke]

Guys, do you really think the A-10C is 100% accurate to the real one.

 

There's a nice quote from somebody: If you want a 100% simulation, you have to do it in reality.

 

A-10C is not 100 % accurate, not 100 % complete, not even 100 % realistic in every regard.

 

But, it's 100 % the closest thing to reality you can find without being in the military. And that is more than enough for me.

[Nealius]

 

What's with the negative, elitist, self entitlement attitudes I'm seeing recently on these forums.

 

I guarantee you'll find the same attitude at any other flight sim community. It seems to be the nature of the hobby.

[Grimes]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see an "A-10C" level of fidelity for most aircraft out there, but I don't see how more content is bad for DCS when the the mission editor allows people to decide which content to use within a mission.

[cichlidfan]

My point view about reality is colored by how much I enjoy ROF. Those planes were modeled with far less information than many of the modern aircraft that I fly so their accuracy is always somewhat suspect. However, when I am flying in ROF the enjoyment takes away any concerns that I might have about the accuracy or level of realism.

 

My two cents.

[Pilotasso]

I joined three squads over the last three years and they have all since disbanded. Most claimed that they were not happy about the direction DCS was going. It seems that the feeling was that DCS was moving away from developing realistic Jet aircraft (study sim). I understand that there is a lot of effort going on with third party mods, but we have not seen anything to date that suggest that anything will come close to the level of detail that was place on the A-10C by DCS. This is the level of detail that DCS put out that raised the bar, including a manual that made me feel like I was learning to fly a real military jet aircraft.

 

I guess I am asking the big question: is it time to hang things up? The updates don't really say anything new that we haven't already heard over the last few years. I appreciate the need to keep things quite to prevent mud slinging, but if DCS is waiting on Mod development to take the sim to the next level then we have to be more realistic about the future. What do you guys think?

 

I think, their personal preferences of aircraft is driving their line of thinking . Until very recently there were no eastern aircraft modules announced, only western ones. And the forums were flooded of disappointed people. Instead of admitting they were not getting what they wanted, the word "unrealistic" came often instead. The situation is different now and you bet this SIM is not dying. (it wasn't either before).

[Feuerfalke]

I guarantee you'll find the same attitude at any other flight sim community. It seems to be the nature of the hobby.

 

You'll find this attitude for any fanbase.

 

It's just more tragic, as this community has an average age 20 and more years above games like BF3 and CounterStrike...

 

Plus: we should be thankful for any virtual pilot bying this software and keeping this genre alive.

[Napa]

There's a nice quote from somebody: If you want a 100% simulation, you have to do it in reality.

 

A-10C is not 100 % accurate, not 100 % complete, not even 100 % realistic in every regard.

 

But, it's 100 % the closest thing to reality you can find without being in the military. And that is more than enough for me.

 

 

This is exactly what the DCS brand is selling to you. And this should be the DCS brand promise. To deliver products as close to reality as possible. If this is their actual brand mission statement then they should stick with it. The market doesn't forgive easily those who break the brand's promise.

[msalama]

Still, I am not that impressed with the simulation of the Huey either.

 

OK, so there's your opinion vs. several RL helo pilots frequenting this board who all seem to think the Huey is the best helicopter sim currently available. Hmmm... now whom to believe here, you or the pros I just wonder???

 

(well nah, not really tbh :lol:)

[Cedaway]

The basis question was "Are Hardcore DCS study sims going away?"

Let us see,:suspect:

 

-FC3 is mid-core but ED plan to add AFM. We don't talk about neither clickable cockpit nor 'procedures'. Normal, it's Flamming Cliffs series.

 

For the rest, we have / will have

 

- DCS A-10C

- DCS P-51

- DCS Ka-50

- DCS UH-1h

 

Incoming:

- DCS Mil-Mi8MTV-2

- DCS F/A-18C

- DCS Mig-21bis

- DCS Mig-23

- DCS Hawk

- DCS Typhoon

- DCS ... IRIS

- DCS ... RAZBAM

- DCS ... Mil-Sim

- DCS ... Coretex Design

- DCS F-35 just announced

 

OK, some companies has already stated that their first module to come out would not be at DCS level due to the fact it seems to be ... complicated to code...

 

So, short answer: No, I don't think DCS study sim is going away. It will just come at time in our hard drives...

I even think that the genre has a kind of 're-birth' thanks to ED and the DCS level of fidelity inspiring the devs. But, the child need to take its maturity...

EDIT: I have a quite limited flight experience (prop & jet) and in MY opinion, nothing, I say NOTHING can replace the feeling you have in a real aircraft. Not even the best sim in the world. BUT, DCS study sim is the genre I like because it gives me satisfaction and joy while I'm sitting in front of my desktop! And I'm sure most of the people wandering around this forum could easily understand what I'm talking about.

ED and third parties tries to give (sell, yeah, everybody need to live) the 'ultimate' experience of the flight to the everyman and they do that with remarkable quality I find. I'm super-über-duper satisfied with the modules I've bought and think it worth every $ in them.

Edited June 20, 2013 by Cedaway

[VTJS17_Fire]

"...and make it compatible wit arma and/or battlefield "

... is what you forgot to add.

Jawohl! :lol:

[sobek]

It's just more tragic, as this community has an average age 20 and more years above games like BF3 and CounterStrike...

 

Alter schützt vor Torheit nicht. ;)

 

It's just the human condition. The internet has a way of bringing out the worst in most people.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Obviously, the AF did not want to give us the tools to 'jack' one of their A-10's!! :P

 

we won't have to... they are planning to relief an entire wing of either A-10's or B-1B's... Hog pilots must be shitting bricks by now... something about 700 crafts being retired to cut down on costs, including re-winged, and upgraded systems ones... I'm guessing they want the IFCC ver.4 back (now it's 6 or so I think)