British /Normandy Coast Map

[Chivas]

I hate to be negative, especially when we aren't sure how its all going to pan out, but I definitely have concerns. What's the first thing most people think about when Normandy is mentioned. D Day? Of course there are far more missions to make than D Day, but not having at least a small section of the English coast line airfields/ports in the initial release is going to be a mistake. I suppose they could put Allied/LW airfields opposing each other on the Normandy map, but that just doesn't seem right. Air starts are a non-starter atleast for fighters in the initial release. B17 AI airstarts wouldn't be a problem in the initial release.

 

They should concentrate their resources on a thin strip of the British and Normandy coasts, for the initial release, where the map is mostly water, then expand the map with later releases to eventually include B17 bases farther north in England, and expand farther east along the French coast. Maybe slowly expanding the map for B17 missions further and further into France and Germany.

[Sharpe]

say from Portsmouth to the airfield of Manston?

[Furbs]

I hate to be negative, especially when we aren't sure how its all going to pan out, but I definitely have concerns. What's the first thing most people think about when Normandy is mentioned. D Day? Of course there are far more missions to make than D Day, but not having at least a small section of the English coast line airfields/ports in the initial release is going to be a mistake. I suppose they could put Allied/LW airfields opposing each other on the Normandy map, but that just doesn't seem right. Air starts are a non-starter atleast for fighters in the initial release. B17 AI airstarts wouldn't be a problem in the initial release.

 

They should concentrate their resources on a thin strip of the British and Normandy coasts, for the initial release, where the map is mostly water, then expand the map with later releases to eventually include B17 bases farther north in England, and expand farther east along the French coast. Maybe slowly expanding the map for B17 missions further and further into France and Germany.

 

 

I dont think its negative Chivas, i think even a thin strip of the English coast is a must have, it doesnt have to have that much detail but a few airfields and towns.

Whats the point in having full spec start ups if we have no where to take off from?

[SlipBall]

I hate to be negative, especially when we aren't sure how its all going to pan out, but I definitely have concerns. What's the first thing most people think about when Normandy is mentioned. D Day? Of course there are far more missions to make than D Day, but not having at least a small section of the English coast line airfields/ports in the initial release is going to be a mistake. I suppose they could put Allied/LW airfields opposing each other on the Normandy map, but that just doesn't seem right. Air starts are a non-starter atleast for fighters in the initial release. B17 AI airstarts wouldn't be a problem in the initial release.

 

They should concentrate their resources on a thin strip of the British and Normandy coasts, for the initial release, where the map is mostly water, then expand the map with later releases to eventually include B17 bases farther north in England, and expand farther east along the French coast. Maybe slowly expanding the map for B17 missions further and further into France and Germany.

 

 

It was offered to us but the response although quit good, was/is just not enough. We could still make it happen there is time left, but we would all need to kick in, and find about 2000 more pilots to pledge.

[westr]

I would have liked a small section of England as the first stretch goal but it has been decided now. Just hope we don't wait too long for England to be included. I do agree with what you're saying but at this point in time I'm really glad the project got its 100k.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

well, Luthier said that its very likely possible to increase the map size at a later point...

so if they are successfull, we literally could have a map spreading all over europe...

besides maybe they will just make another kickstarter or funding program for a bigger map after this kickstarter ends...

 

moreover, if they are allowed to release a map sdk, i have no worries that we'll see an expansion of the map quickly...

[Furbs]

well, Luthier said that its very likely possible to increase the map size at a later point...

so if they are successfull, we literally could have a map spreading all over europe...

besides maybe they will just make another kickstarter or funding program for a bigger map after this kickstarter ends...

 

moreover, if they are allowed to release a map sdk, i have no worries that we'll see an expansion of the map quickly...

 

David im pretty sure you nicked your sig from something i posted at the 1C forums a while ago, my version was slightly different though. :smilewink:

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

:)

i remember that one!

but i nicked the sig from somebody on the kickstarter page tbh...

[Chivas]

They could start with a map similar to the COD BOB map, "BUT" with only detailed terrain along as much as both coasts the development can get done by the initial release. They could then slowly add detail to the terrain with each new aircraft and feature they sell. They could eventually have a highly detailed map that expands farther into Europe, when average computers could handle that size and detail. The amount of iconic and otherwise fighters, bombers etc they could sell while expanding the map and detail, that were used in the ETO are almost unlimited.

 

Eventually they could use the same idea in the Pacific. They could start with a very large map only but only detailed in Hawaii, with maybe some aircraft involved on Dec7th 41, and maybe a few aircraft carriers. Then slowly expand the terrain detail into all the other islands of the pacific, while selling aircraft/features involved in that theater.

[BabyJail]

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=113838

 

Was hoping for a map extension at 150-200k rather than a flyable 262, but at least they did something and lowered some of the stretch goals.. :noexpression:

Edited September 23, 2013 by BabyJail

[Furbs]

:)

i remember that one!

but i nicked the sig from somebody on the kickstarter page tbh...

 

I knew i should have copyrighted it.

 

 

Anyway sorry Chivas...back to the topic, not only takeoffs but somewhere to land too.

[NineLine]

It sounds like the map is going to be bigger with a small detailed area. If they can afford to do more detail even airfields in other places on the map I would love to see atleast a sort of "FARP", as in a place-able airfield object... at least to tide us over till updates on other areas of the map can be made. Of course I dont know how much un-detailed area is planned to be released right now either...

[Chivas]

It was offered to us but the response although quit good, was/is just not enough. We could still make it happen there is time left, but we would all need to kick in, and find about 2000 more pilots to pledge.

 

I'm not talking stretch goals, but just distributing the same work of the initial 100,000 goal. Not adding more detailed area to the map, but taking away detailed areas of the southern part of the Normandy map and adding that detail to the English Coast part of the map. Although the English Port work would certainly require more work than inland Normandy. That said, initially they only need maybe two English Ports. Two or three airfields each side of the channel and some of the detailed terrain connecting them. The rest of the terrain can be detailed in a series of addons. One large map that gets detailed as the developer see's fit and has the resources for.

Edited September 23, 2013 by Chivas

[Chivas]

I knew i should have copyrighted it.

 

 

Anyway sorry Chivas...back to the topic, not only takeoffs but somewhere to land too.

 

You can usually land at the same airfield you took off from. Just kidding. ;)

[Mogster]

I want to see England on the map but I think flyable planes are more headline grabbing than map extensions.

 

The Typhoon would have been my choice but maybe the Me262 is aimed at the jet addicted DCS faithfull.

[AG-51_Razor]

Instead of worrying about a map with England or France on it, why not just build a couple of carriers and a Hellcat and Zeke to go with them and put them out in the middle of a big ocean?? :megalol:

[TwoLate]

Instead of worrying about a map with England or France on it, why not just build a couple of carriers and a Hellcat and Zeke to go with them and put them out in the middle of a big ocean?? :megalol:

Now that is what I am talking about. Sign me up for $200.

[AG-51_Razor]

I'll gladly kick in another $50 bucks for that!!

[Chivas]

This is so not a big deal. We will get it in good time. Its not like it will never be in the sim. I'd kick in an extra $50 for it too, but its not important right away. What's important is that this sim is a go and will improve and expand as she goes.

 

Onward and upward.

 

I understand your opinion, and I'm sure one way or another this will be addressed at some point, but airstarts is a very big deal, atleast for me. Taking off and struggling back to base to save my aircraft is a huge part of the immersion for me. I don't believe for a second that the combat flight enthusiasts of the DCS WW2 development aren't very concerned with this feature. I'll probably be flying LW aircraft, but there will be a very large angry group of Allied pilots if they only have airstarts. That said the Normandy map could be divided into sectors for both sides to have airfields, and it might sooth the masses for the first year until the issue is address, but I think its a issue that should be avoided at all costs. Cutting back some of the detail required in the southern part of Normandy, and put that detail work into a very thin, short sector of the South English coast could be workable solution.

[mazex]

Instead of worrying about a map with England or France on it, why not just build a couple of carriers and a Hellcat and Zeke to go with them and put them out in the middle of a big ocean?? :megalol:

 

It really would be great idea - accept that "the company that must not be named" will claim copyright fees for all the equipment payed by the US taxpayers 70 years ago. So we will have to raise $1 000 000 where Ilya gets 10 bucks :)

 

If you don't understand what I talk about it was a certain US manufacturer that made life hard for 1C and Maddox games after releasing "Pacific Fighters" that included a carrier and some carrier based aircraft that the "company that must not be named" owned the IP:s for... OK, 1C where a bit sloppy forgetting to add some legal text like "Patents for xxx are owned by TCTMNBN", but many of us got a bit upset. There has never been any real confirmation from Ilya or Oleg about this as they where scared to silence by TCTMNBN...

 

And as an edit it was not the fault of Ilya or Oleg, the producer should have double checked stuff like this naturally...

Edited September 24, 2013 by mazex

[mazex]

I hate to be negative, especially when we aren't sure how its all going to pan out, but I definitely have concerns. What's the first thing most people think about when Normandy is mentioned. D Day? Of course there are far more missions to make than D Day, but not having at least a small section of the English coast line airfields/ports in the initial release is going to be a mistake. I suppose they could put Allied/LW airfields opposing each other on the Normandy map, but that just doesn't seem right. Air starts are a non-starter atleast for fighters in the initial release. B17 AI airstarts wouldn't be a problem in the initial release.

 

They should concentrate their resources on a thin strip of the British and Normandy coasts, for the initial release, where the map is mostly water, then expand the map with later releases to eventually include B17 bases farther north in England, and expand farther east along the French coast. Maybe slowly expanding the map for B17 missions further and further into France and Germany.

 

Great idea! Something like this would be nice (where we naturally step back from all demands for correct myriad of docks in Portsmouth etc!):

 

 

Cut in the lower or right part if needed please like Chivas says!

[DD_Fenrir]

I'd be tempted to shift those map boundaries north a smidge; this would catch many 9th Air Force Advanced Landing Grounds in the New Forest Region just Northeast of Bournemouth plus a couple of 2nd TAF ALGs North of Brighton, with Tangmere, Ford & Thorney Island also adding to the useful RAF bases.

 

This would give the sim a useful tactical air war theatre from well before D-Day, which IMHO is where Lutheir should be concentrating - a homogenised and focussed recreation of the tactical air war on the run-up to, the prosecution and eventual consolidation of the D-Day landings.

 

Whilst I am a big fan of the B-17 and very much look forward to getting my grubby lil paws on it, it is something of a white elephant in this environment for human players (though perhaps a useful AI for airstart escort missions) given that the prototypical B-17 bases of the 8th Air Force are another 150 miles Northeast of the map displayed above. A tactical medium like the B-26 for the 9th AF and/or Mitchell units for the RAF would seem more appropriate in this particular theatre. And this map is screaming out for a Hawker Typhoon!

 

However, what is done is done and we have our 1st kickstarter goal; let's see how events unfold...

Edited September 24, 2013 by DD_Fenrir

[Chivas]

Great idea! Something like this would be nice (where we naturally step back from all demands for correct myriad of docks in Portsmouth etc!):

 

 

Cut in the lower or right part if needed please like Chivas says!

 

 

Yes something like that, I would even cut out anything south of Caen if need be, for the initial release. I would imagine they could play it as it unfolds, over the next year, having a team working on the English coast and team working on the French coast, even if the team is only one man each. Just detail as much as can be detailed in the next year. Although that could be a problem if they only have one person available to work on the terrain. ;)

[DGC338]

The Aircraft set does not lend itself to pre D-Day scenarios. K-4 and D-9s + 262s not around for D-Day.

 

I do agree that the map they plan needs to expand to have some of England.

[Chivas]

The Aircraft set does not lend itself to pre D-Day scenarios. K-4 and D-9s + 262s not around for D-Day.

 

I do agree that the map they plan needs to expand to have some of England.

 

I agree the map choice is a mistake considering the aircraft, and lack of Allied airfields. I find this baffling considering the experience of Oleg and Luthier.