Foul Ole Ron Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Would be great if we could get the standard wing as an option. The VEAO Spit XIV is going to be clipped wing as well so would be nice if one of them could get the iconic wing included as an option.
fastfreddie Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Very doubtful it is a modeling issue.. I am sure it has something to do with what information they have readily available.. (Or maybe they physically have a clipped version available to them right now..) The modeling of either version should be very similar and should not present any special issues for them.. Talking about the flight modeling not the exterior modeling itself which Sith said they had the data for both. Surprised to see that they are modeling the clipped version to start with because it has better flight performance than the standard wing. It was pretty clear that most wanted the standard wing spitfire but is its performance that much worse than the clipped that it wouldn't fit into the late 44/early 45 period?
Ala13_ManOWar Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 I'm with regular wing version, but I have to admit it's just a matter of aesthetics :). If we talk about having better performance or a beautiful aircraft I'm sure we all would want the performances :thumbup:. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Cripple Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 I'm with regular wing version, but I have to admit it's just a matter of aesthetics :). If we talk about having better performance or a beautiful aircraft I'm sure we all would want the performances :thumbup:. S! I'd want the aesthetics personally, actually... :P Now, correctly me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the clipped wing version wasn't "better" per se. It had a better roll rate, and was deemed better for lower altitude work, but traded this for worse performance at higher altitude than the wing-tipped version. Yes? It's a matter of *where* you want the improvement. I am for the regular wing for aesthetics (looks more like a "Real" Spitfire) and the high altitude performance. My *new* AV-8B sim-pit build thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3901589 The old Spitfire sim-pit build thread circa '16/17: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143452
ED Team NineLine Posted June 19, 2015 ED Team Posted June 19, 2015 I'd want the aesthetics personally, actually... :P Now, correctly me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that the clipped wing version wasn't "better" per se. It had a better roll rate, and was deemed better for lower altitude work, but traded this for worse performance at higher altitude than the wing-tipped version. Yes? It's a matter of *where* you want the improvement. I am for the regular wing for aesthetics (looks more like a "Real" Spitfire) and the high altitude performance. In order for it to be a true HF version, it would need a different engine as well, so just putting full wings on a LF version wont make it perform better at high altitudes I think. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Cripple Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 In order for it to be a true HF version, it would need a different engine as well, so just putting full wings on a LF version wont make it perform better at high altitudes I think. Fair enough. :) Oh, and to confuse matters there seems to have been *extended* wingtips too - for three different types of wingtip. Annoyingly I can't find the info I have on the wingtips (or lack there of) and the effects on performance, so I'm going on memory here. The anecdotal rule-of-thumb seems to be: - truncated wingtips for low-level roles and better rolling performance - "normal" elliptical wingtips for the interceptor role - extended "pointy" wingtips for high-level work You can see that it makes sense (aesthetics aside) for DCS et al to model a fighter that can be used for ground-pounding to show off the work they've done on the terrain, rather than a lot of blue sky and fluffy clouds. A wee bit more fun for the player too, I imagine. Bottom line is that it doesn't really matter so long as we get some sort of Spitfire. Much as I like the elliptical wingtips, it's not like you get to see them as you are buzzing along, do you? :D My *new* AV-8B sim-pit build thread: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3901589 The old Spitfire sim-pit build thread circa '16/17: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=143452
Solty Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Clipped wing version turn performance will be way lower than the standard elliptical. It will be way easier to stall, but roll rate will be better. I say go elliptical. VEAO is already making spit XIV with clipped wing. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
ED Team NineLine Posted June 20, 2015 ED Team Posted June 20, 2015 Clipped wing version turn performance will be way lower than the standard elliptical. It will be way easier to stall, but roll rate will be better. I say go elliptical. VEAO is already making spit XIV with clipped wing. It depends on where you are trying to fight... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
GrapeJam Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Is it going to be modeled with 18lbs boost or 25lbs boost? 18 boost were no longer used by DDay as pretty much every Spitfire squadron was running 25lbs boost.
Kurfürst Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) For 1944, Only two IX Squadrons actually, for operational trials. These two have reverted to 100/130 in the automn. The RAF basically used 150 grade in 1944 for anti-V1 operations only. It was not until 1945 when they started to switch over, but again they soon reverted back due to VE day and takeoff accidents caused by 150 grade. Edited June 20, 2015 by Kurfürst http://www.kurfurst.org - The Messerschmitt Bf 109 Performance Resource Site Vezérünk a bátorság, Kísérőnk a szerencse! -Motto of the RHAF 101st 'Puma' Home Air Defense Fighter Regiment The Answer to the Ultimate Question of the K-4, the Universe, and Everything: Powerloading 550 HP / ton, 1593 having been made up to 31th March 1945, 314 K-4s were being operated in frontline service on 31 January 1945.
Solty Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) It depends on where you are trying to fight... At low alt, the eliptical wing gives an advantage over the tippless version in turn fights. The plane looses a good chunk of its lift and eliptical shape which gives the plane mild stalling characteristic (a lot of warning before stall), so Spitfire will be stalling with way less pronounced buffeting. I always thought it will be standard Spit IXc. Didn't we get some pictures of an eliptical wing before?:huh: Making it clipped will make the plane be less unique in behaviour. I want that alerion stiffness and light elevator characeristic. I want to have an edge in sustained turning. The reason why LF (or rather LF with clipped wing as other LFs had eliptical wing)was introduced was that it improved speed performance and pilot was able to roll faster. Also, its main purpose was to counter FW190 threat, which had way better roll rate at all speeds than the eiliptical version. Keep LF just with the standard wing. Vast majority of Spitfires had eliptical wing. I realy hope they can make it so that we have what majority seems to want.(can we get a poll about it?) Another thing. Why early version again? Why not 25lb Spitfire? 18lb and that plane will be slow even with the clipped wings when compared to late German planes.:huh: Edited June 20, 2015 by Solty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
GrapeJam Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 For 1944, Only two IX Squadrons actually, for operational trials. These two have reverted to 100/130 in the automn. The RAF basically used 150 grade in 1944 for anti-V1 operations only. It was not until 1945 when they started to switch over, but again they soon reverted back due to VE day and takeoff accidents caused by 150 grade. http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/150grade/150-grade-fuel.html By the time the K4 was introduced into service, the 2nd tactical airforce was using 150 octane fuel. And only 1 Canadian wing reverted back to 100/130 to perform aerobatics over defeated Germany.
Sporg Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Actually, I was surprised to see the sudden change to the LF clipped wing version Spitfire. There had been no mention of this until now, and it was not what I was looking for. It will be ok if there will at least be a choice to get the long wing version along with a suitable engine, but if only one version is offered I clearly prefer the long wing version. As I see it, the LF version is much more limited in its applications, while the long wing version is much more versatile. On top of that, what I anticipated from the Spitfire, was to experience its superior turn rate versus its opponents. I will not get that with the LF version. System specs: Gigabyte Aorus Master, i7 9700K@std, GTX 1080TI OC, 32 GB 3000 MHz RAM, NVMe M.2 SSD, Oculus Quest VR (2x1600x1440) Warthog HOTAS w/150mm extension, Slaw pedals, Gametrix Jetseat, TrackIR for monitor use
GrapeJam Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) On top of that, what I anticipated from the Spitfire, was to experience its superior turn rate versus its opponents. I will not get that with the LF version. The clipped wings Spitfire IX will still outturn any German planes that is not earlier than the 109E. The increase in turn radius over the normal wings version was very negligible, only 55 feet, and it actually had superior turn rate, especially in a climbing turn. Edited June 20, 2015 by GrapeJam
MiloMorai Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Actually, I was surprised to see the sudden change to the LF clipped wing version Spitfire. There had been no mention of this until now, and it was not what I was looking for. It will be ok if there will at least be a choice to get the long wing version along with a suitable engine, but if only one version is offered I clearly prefer the long wing version. As I see it, the LF version is much more limited in its applications, while the long wing version is much more versatile. On top of that, what I anticipated from the Spitfire, was to experience its superior turn rate versus its opponents. I will not get that with the LF version. I think you will find that the LF refers to the engine used, Merlin 66, not the type of wing tip.
Goblin Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I'm with regular wing version, but I have to admit it's just a matter of aesthetics :) Me too! :-) I like both the tipped and the clipped wing. Both for aesthetical reasons. The Spit looks great with and without tips. I just want both! ;-)
ED Team NineLine Posted June 20, 2015 ED Team Posted June 20, 2015 Is it going to be modeled with 18lbs boost or 25lbs boost? 18 boost were no longer used by DDay as pretty much every Spitfire squadron was running 25lbs boost. I am pretty sure 25lbs boost. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
GrapeJam Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I am pretty sure 25lbs boost. Awesome! Seeing as the Merlin 66 is the same as the V-1650-7 on the P51D any chance of seeing the P51D using 81"hg boost(the same as 25lbs boost)? :p
Solty Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I am pretty sure 25lbs boost. Good to hear that. Awesome! Seeing as the Merlin 66 is the same as the V-1650-7 on the P51D any chance of seeing the P51D using 81"hg boost(the same as 25lbs boost)? :p I would be satisfied with 75'hg :) But Grape is right, its basically the same engine, so maybe our current P-51D can be tweaked to use the same fuel as the Spit, if all the settings for Spitfire are going to be sufficient to have the 25lbs it should be only matter of some small tweaking to get it right for the Mustang ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
Python Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 So does anybody actually prefer a clipped wing version? Seems we'd all prefer the same thing for DCS... Full beautiful wing. Still, it's a spitfire so I'll still buy it I'm sure, one flew over about 2hrs ago and did a little display, wonderful as ever. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Bullfrog_ Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I just noticed the title mentions the Mk.V as well. I thought we were only getting the MK. IX?
Foul Ole Ron Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Thread title is a bit of a misnomer. We're getting the Mk. IX only.
void Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I`m the absolute fan of a clipped wing version. I hope that both ED and VEAO will release the CW version, at least as an option.
Bullfrog_ Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Thread title is a bit of a misnomer. We're getting the Mk. IX only. That's to bad, for a second I had hopes for a potential north Africa setting with the P-40F, Spit V and maybe some day.. a 109F/190A
Buzzles Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 That's to bad, for a second I had hopes for a potential north Africa setting with the P-40F, Spit V and maybe some day.. a 109F/190A FYI, VEAO have plans to do a north Africa map, around the Tubruq (aka Tobruk) area. Fancy trying Star Citizen? Click here!
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