DCS: Spitfire Mk LF IXc Discussion

[Redglyph]

This lady is even more beautiful in context, nice shot!

[Echo38]

That screenshot!

 

I love how DCS is looking (visually) more and more like Arma and less like previous flight sim-games. For me, the flight model is much more important than the graphics, but it's also super-cool when the graphical fidelity approaches that of first-person shooters. There are FPS games I still play, ten years after their release, which DCS now looks better than, from on the ground.

 

I'm really hoping that, soon, Eagle Dynamics really implements walking around on the ground, and manually entering & exiting the aircraft. It's already half-implemented, and now the graphics are good enough that it'd look better than doing the same in (e.g.) Arma 2. The game engine is fully capable of supporting simple first-person on-foot gameplay (and, I think, even an infantry simulator a la Arma), and this becomes more clear with each graphical update.

 

While my own interest is flight, I think that a proper combined-arms approach could be a great thing for the sim as a whole, and infantry is an essential part of combined arms. But, even if no infantry, walking out of the hangar and climbing into your fighter in first-person is still an important part of the flight experience. It's the one thing that Arma has always offered in its (meager) flight experience which DCS, in all of its richness, still hasn't.

Edited October 1, 2016 by Echo38

[Coxy_99]

That screenshot!

 

I love how DCS is looking (visually) more and more like Arma and less like previous flight sim-games. For me, the flight model is much more important than the graphics, but it's also super-cool when the graphical fidelity approaches that of first-person shooters. There are FPS games I still play, ten years after their release, which DCS now looks better than, from on the ground.

 

I'm really hoping that, soon, Eagle Dynamics really implements walking around on the ground, and manually entering & exiting the aircraft. It's already half-implemented, and now the graphics are good enough that it'd look better than doing the same in (e.g.) Arma 2. The game engine is fully capable of supporting simple first-person on-foot gameplay (and, I think, even an infantry simulator a la Arma), and this becomes more clear with each graphical update.

 

While my own interest is flight, I think that a proper combined-arms approach could be a great thing for the sim as a whole, and infantry is an essential part of combined arms. But, even if no infantry, walking out of the hangar and climbing into your fighter in first-person is still an important part of the flight experience. It's the one thing that Arma has always offered in its (meager) flight experience which DCS, in all of its richness, still hasn't.

 

You can walk around on the ground if you eject :lol:

[Brigg]

I wonder if they have decided to only release the Spitfire once all the props have been updated to the new damage modelling... :huh:

 

Tbh if that was the case then I wouldn't mind, but just say that is what you're doing.

[Alicatt]

:music_whistling::music_whistling:

 

 

:(

 

Still with the HF antenna on a 1944 aircraft? :doh:

[LURKINGBADGER]

I allways wondered why the barrels/muzzle's of those .303's where covered with that red "who ever knows what material"??

[MAD-MM]

So far I know the RAF closed with this red Tape the gun muzzle, to prevent the gun is frozen.

Edited October 3, 2016 by MAD-MM

[LURKINGBADGER]

Did not know that was an issue, kinda strange because i never saw planes from the Luftwaffe/or IRAF that had this preventive measure.

 

I found a post in a modeler forum: post #8...

 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/p/160912/1749473.aspx

Edited October 3, 2016 by LURKINGBADGER

[MAD-MM]

Did not know that was an issue, kinda strange because i never saw planes from the Luftwaffe/or IRAF that had this preventive measure.

 

I found a post in a modeler forum: post #8...

 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/p/160912/1749473.aspx

 

All War Nations encountered this Problems with frozen Guns, but from technical construct of the gun some one have more trouble then other..

And 109 as example have all guns around the Engine, but have other difficulty's

From Mind correct if wrong, the 303 was tend very often to freeze

The Spitfire like descripted here use in the later Wing version extra Heater for the Hispano Guns to prevent freeze

Edited October 3, 2016 by MAD-MM

[LURKINGBADGER]

All right, so thats why a P51d had heatet gunbarrels/guns.

 

Ty for clearing that one up

[klem]

I allways wondered why the barrels/muzzle's of those .303's where covered with that red "who ever knows what material"??

 

It was red sticky canvas tape to prevent general weathering effects on the guns (including icing). Ground crews were always happy when they taxied in with holes blown in them :)

[DD_Fenrir]

The often seen scarlet or crimson colour of these tapes also seems to be a legacy of modern refurbs and the modelling community. All period colour photos of Spits with these 'canvas' patches in evidence show them to be a more subdued brownish - even rusty - hue.

 

There was a video I had seen somewhere where the patches were applied looking to all intents like a large Elastoplast, i.e. fabric and self adhesive.

 

Apparently the BBMF dope Irish linen patches on to represent this.

[horseback]

Did not know that was an issue, kinda strange because i never saw planes from the Luftwaffe/or IRAF that had this preventive measure.

 

I found a post in a modeler forum: post #8...

 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/p/160912/1749473.aspx

 

You'll see it more often on gun barrels that are flush to the wing leading edge, which German aircraft didn't have a lot of; many photos of island-based Corsairs show tape over the barrels (and in a few cases, an extra set of tape coverings over the wing edge to 'fool' a potential opponent into thinking that the F4U had a fourth pair of guns that the pilot had not armed yet for 'get-me-home' insurance. US aircraft more often had white or light grey/tan tape (many photos I've seen of P-47s show tape over and around the muzzles of the protruding barrels). It may have been a valid means of protecting the guns or simply a means for the ground crew easily detecting that 'their' aircraft had done some shooting (or both).

 

In any case, the covering the Brits used was reddish brown, and it may have been a case of whatever type of adhesive covering was most easily at hand.

 

cheers

 

horseback

[Friedrich-4B]

For the likes of the 20mm Hispano, a well known prophylactic product was used to seal the muzzle:

 

[MiloMorai]

Notice how well the Invasion Stripes are applied.

[MAD-MM]

For the likes of the 20mm Hispano, a well known prophylactic product was used to seal the muzzle:

 

 

What is it? a Cola Cap? :D

It does his Job that's count...

[klem]

For the likes of the 20mm Hispano, a well known prophylactic product was used to seal the muzzle:

 

 

If that's a prophylactic you've been sold a bit <cough> short :music_whistling:

 

They were covers made for the job.

[LURKINGBADGER]

Im never going to look at the word "muzzle seal" the same way from now on.:lol:

[Cripple]

Is that how "Johnnie" Johnson got his moniker then? :P

 

 

 

Ach, gun freezing won't be a problem - everyone will just zoom about at treetop height as per. :megalol:

[BerryMORE]

Rearming Spitfire

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F02377/

[klem]

Rearming Spitfire

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/F02377/

 

It all happens around 37mins in.

[Captain Orso]

It all happens around 37mins in.

 

"*ah*hum*" :megalol:

[Harry.R]

The often seen scarlet or crimson colour of these tapes also seems to be a legacy of modern refurbs and the modelling community. All period colour photos of Spits with these 'canvas' patches in evidence show them to be a more subdued brownish - even rusty - hue.

 

There was a video I had seen somewhere where the patches were applied looking to all intents like a large Elastoplast, i.e. fabric and self adhesive.

 

Apparently the BBMF dope Irish linen patches on to represent this.

 

Not a Spit but illustrative of the patches on the IIc Hurricane, and a pic of the Mk.9 before it got repainted, think it had the ports doped...I know the cannon really hurts...when you stand up and your head hits it!. :lol:

[Friedrich-4B]

If that's a prophylactic you've been sold a bit <cough> short :music_whistling:

 

They were covers made for the job.

Yep, I wondered about that. The film on rearming the Spitfire confirms that custom-made covers were used, although the principle's the same...sort of. :music_whistling:

Edited October 6, 2016 by Friedrich-4/B

[klem]

Yep, I wondered about that. The film on rearming the Spitfire confirms that custom-made covers were used, although the principle's the same...sort of. :music_whistling:

 

Well, they're definitely quite thick but they wouldn't 'stop one'. :D