P-51D of ED Versus P-51 of A2A Simulation...

[Skulleader]

Hello,

 

I have one question about the P-51D of ED, I have also the P-51 of A2A Simulation and for me the P-51 of ED is more difficult to landing than the P-51 of A2A.

Please for the members who have these two addons please can you tell me that you think about the P-51 of ED ?

 

In the real life the P-51 was very hard to landing ?

 

And also for using the tail wheel, with P-51 of A2A it's more easy to turn with the rudder when I'm on the ground than the P-51 of DCS.

 

Is it possible to have your feedback of these two P-51 ?

 

For the takeoff no problem but for the landing the P-51D of ED is very hard (for me)...

 

A2A Simulation create awesome warbirds and versus the P-51D of ED it's not easy to know why this difference, please do you have any ideas ?

 

PS: Excuse me for my poor English.

 

In advance I would like to thank you. Skull

[NineLine]

Couple things, first ED frowns upon comparisons of any sorts on their forums with other sims. They arent the same, and I am sure there are numerous reasons why, which have no affect on how you fly the P-51D in DCS.

 

As for landing, you might start with posting a track of your landing attempt, people will let you know what you can do to help improve. Its an art form flying this bird, but once you get it its smooth sailing :)

[Skulleader]

Couple things, first ED frowns upon comparisons of any sorts on their forums with other sims. They arent the same, and I am sure there are numerous reasons why, which have no affect on how you fly the P-51D in DCS.

 

You know it's not a wrong comparison, I've spent many years to flying with the P-51 of A2A and this aircraft is my only reference that I have for know if everything is normal when I pilot the P-51 of ED.

It's not a critic about these two P-51, it's just one simple question...

 

I possess also the Bell 206 of Dodosim and I've read somewhere one comparison between the Huey and the Dodo, it's one problem for me because I'm a great fan of the products of ED, it was just one reflexion...

 

If my first question or post is a problem you can delete it, for me it's just one question for inform me about the P-51D and it's not a race of these two Mustang, I don't need one winner and one looser.

I'm passionate by your products, it's just also simple like that...

 

Best regards. Skull

[Fifi]

Don't want to make any comparisons with others sim, but ED P51 is by far the best i've ever flown.

 

Landing shouldn't be that hard problem with P51, watching speed and descent speed.

Landing gear out at the right speed, then full flaps on, and adjusting speed with small throttle inputs...

Never broke one from day one in landings...MI8 is way harder to land for me :)

[leafer]

 

In the real life the P-51 was very hard to landing ?

 

 

When I was in the U.S. I took ultralight lessons in a 2 seat quicksilver. I botched my first landing so bad I bent a strut. Landing DCS P-51 for me is easy as peeing but I'm sure I would die in the real thing.

[gavagai]

Salut Fifi!

 

You don't actually need full flaps to land the P-51. She lands just fine with only 2 notches.

 

Skulleader, you are probably trying to land too fast. Aim for 90mph IAS at touchdown. Anything more than 100mph will end badly.

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

hey skull leader!

i dont own the A2A sim of the P51 so i cant comment on it.

but for the DCS P51 landing is actually not that hard if you just watch your approach and touch down speed.those two are important to make a smooth landing.

approach speed depending on the weight, should be between 120-150

touch down speed at 90

if you touch down faster, you will very likely balloony again, which can get lethal pretty quick.so just try to really flare the plane until you have not more than 90mph at touch down and you should be fine.

 

after touch down, keep the stick pulled back so that the tailwheel is locked to 6° movement.

 

approach settings should be 2700rpm and approximately 20-30mp throttle setting, depending on your approach.

fully flaps are the normal setting for a landing, but she will just land fine with any other flap setting, only that she is flaring a bit longer with less or no flaps.

 

for the unlocked tailwheel steering on the ground....well, im yet confused how this should work correctly.my understanding is, that this feature exists to be able to make tighter turns on ground without using the breaks...

 

but as soon as i push the stick forward, and give a bit of rudder, i always seem to enter a continuous tight circle which i cant end anymore, except when pulling the stick back, and give opposite brake, which kind of defeats the purpose.

im pretty sure im doing something wrong though in this regard, so i would appreciate if anybody could enlighten me on this.

[Kwiatek]

P-51 A2A is based on Flight Simulator engine which is very simplificated regarding flight physcic comparing to DCS engine.

 

Landing taildragger plane expecially high power and high wingloading is not so easy task to do. I fly Zlin 526 F ( aerobatic taildragger plane) and every my landing need a lot carefull - much more then tricycle light planes ( like Cessna and similar ones).

 

DCS P-51 is the only sim where take off and landing need some atention much more then in other known sims and is the closiest to real life flying. Although i dont have problem with landing in DCS P-51 i think that as for game simulator it is really nicely done. So dont even compare it to A2A P-51.

 

Regarding tailwheel in DCS P-51 during take off roll - try to push your sitck forward - it unlock tailwheel and you could have more tail control on the ground.

Edited October 29, 2013 by Kwiatek

[otto]

Keep in your crosshair(collimateur) the far end of the runway.I come in a little fast ,pull up very close to the ground and try to touch the runway with all wheels at once.

[Fifi]

Salut Fifi!

 

You don't actually need full flaps to land the P-51. She lands just fine with only 2 notches.

 

:beer:

[alfredo_laredo]

I own both...

They are completly different because of different platforms.

FSX and DCS

 

Both planes can be "flown by the book"

a big PLUS for the FSX one.. is the engine faulire systems, much more realistic and seems like the DCS is lacking a lot on this aspect.

 

a big Plus on the DCS... you can shoot things!

[mjolner]

A2A has done amazing things within the confines of FSX. Their more recent products like the prolific 172 Skyhawk and the cub are excellent. I honestly cant say the same for the A2A P-51. The AFM is superior in every way to FSX FM. However, the cockpit and 3D model of both are very comparable and in some ways I prefer A2As. Its actually fun to spot the differences.

 

I prefer to fly the DCS version because of the skill requirement and immersion. If I want to fly VFR around my own stomping grounds in the Pac northwest I fly the A2A version.

[Echo38]

It's been a while since I've touched an MSFS, but I would bet my best pair of socks that the A2A P-51 doesn't handle as realistically in stalls as the DCS one does.

[WildBillKelsoe]

contrary to OP's opinion, I crashed many times trying to land A2A's Mustang. Like SithSpawn said, do post a track of your attempt. Maybe you need technique advice, but after almost a year and half flying Mustang with initially keyboard, xbox360 controller, then a T flight hotas X, and finally CH products set, I think the most common thing is to set curves for the rudder and have rudder trim assigned on HOTAS for quick trims.

 

 

I can't comment further. I need to see your track first.

[sobek]

Sorry gents, no this sim vs that sim discussions, it always ends up in tears.