DCS World or Helicopter World

[Rikus]

First module BS from 2008

 

We are in 2014 and still no supersonic fighter jet

 

...

[mwd2]

And...?

[EtherealN]

Didn't notice the fact that Su-27 and F-15 are getting AFM's, got new cockpits etcetera? :)

 

Take a look through the current flyables, and the in-development stuff. And remember: if you want to argue that a lot of the in-development stuff is third parties... the Mi-8 and UH-1H were both developed by a third party. ;)

[Linx]

First module BS from 2008

 

We are in 2014 and still no supersonic fighter jet

 

...

 

March will bring us the first supersonic DCS fighter. Not a fancy one, but a jet fighter nonetheless. And later this year we'll maybe get F-18E so the future is bright.

[JayPee]

And later this year we'll maybe get F-18E so the future is bright.

If you don't mind an FC3 fidelity. Hi-fi -18C is going to take at least roughly two years. Edited January 4, 2014 by JayPee

[Weta43]

If you don't mind an FC3 fidelity. Hi-fi -18C is going to take at least roughly two years.

 

Let me guess - a N.O.O.A. number ?

 

Make yourself a quick checklist of the main building blocks needed for a DCS level F-18.

 

With an AFM capable of encompassing supersonic flight apparently well on the way, other than advanced multifunction radar modelling (which I don't mean to minimise), how many 'all new' things are left to do that we haven't seen something that could be considered a 'prototype' of already ?

 

Any idea where they're up to with the ARM ?

 

You might be right with 2 years, but did you know how close the Huey was before it was announced, and when the Huey was sprung on you, what was your guess for the interval to the next chopper ?

[outlawal2]

Let me guess - a N.O.O.A. number ?

 

Make yourself a quick checklist of the main building blocks needed for a DCS level F-18.

 

With an AFM capable of encompassing supersonic flight apparently well on the way, other than advanced multifunction radar modelling (which I don't mean to minimise), how many 'all new' things are left to do that we haven't seen something that could be considered a 'prototype' of already ?

 

Any idea where they're up to with the ARM ?

 

You might be right with 2 years, but did you know how close the Huey was before it was announced, and when the Huey was sprung on you, what was your guess for the interval to the next chopper ?

 

Personally, as poorly as the community treats ED, if I was working on a module I wouldn't announce a damn thing until it was ready to test.. Period..

 

Reading the threads on this board it is very clear that announcing anything nearly always bites them in the long run..

[Cobra847]

First module BS from 2008

 

We are in 2014 and still no supersonic fighter jet

 

...

 

1) DCS: MiG-21 BiS on March 30th

 

2) BST F-86F Q2.

 

3) DCSW: F-15C and SU-27 coming soon.

[SkateZilla]

If you don't mind an FC3 fidelity. Hi-fi -18C is going to take at least roughly two years.

 

WHo said anything about F-18E being FC3 Fidelity?

[cichlidfan]

If you don't mind an FC3 fidelity. Hi-fi -18C is going to take at least roughly two years.

 

WHo said anything about F-18E being FC3 Fidelity?

 

R e a d m o r e s l o w l y . ;)

 

 

Especially the period in the middle.

[SkateZilla]

R e a d m o r e s l o w l y . ;)

 

 

Especially the period in the middle.

 

 

Umm, This is what I Saw:

 

And later this year we'll maybe get F-18E so the future is bright.

 

Quote/Replay to the above was:

If you don't mind an FC3 fidelity. Hi-fi -18C is going to take at least roughly two years.

 

Like I Said, F-18E, and why would one assume it was a FC3 Level Aircraft.

[cichlidfan]

Umm, This is what I Saw:

 

 

 

Quote/Replay to the above was:

 

 

Like I Said, F-18E, and why would one assume it was a FC3 Level Aircraft.

 

I see, said the blind man. :huh:

[javelina1]

I kinda like the DCH.... (Digital Combat Helicopter....).

[JayPee]

Skate,

 

Perhaps FC3 fidelity was a bit cynical but a while back I had a conversation with one of the -18E people and judging by all the stuff they have to simplify or leave out because it's classified, I for one would hardly call it -10C fidelity level.

 

We will be creating the highest fidelity that we can with the current information we have. As of now we haven't gotten any assistance from any officials like the A-10C was based off of.

I took a moment to read the transcript of the YouTube conversation with Coretex. The fidelity of the 18E will be limited by the information available (to the public) and will therefore not be entirely on par with the 10C.

The Coretex Transcription has "outdated". We have better info and 2 ex-UsNavy retired personal to advisor over systems and procedures (except secret info).

And which items would be regarded as secret info?

for instance, IFF and other systems, encrypted communication systems, data-links, Radar, MDFs modes and weapons performances.

 

Especially the ones in bold face make me brand the -18E as FC3 fidelity. Not that there is anything wrong with FC3, it's just that each has their own preference. Hence my remark: if you don't mind FC3 fidelity.

Edited January 5, 2014 by JayPee

[armageddon]

First module BS from 2008

 

We are in 2014 and still no supersonic fighter jet

 

...

 

If you want a supersonic jet, you should pay ED enough money, so that they can stop working on their current projects and make whatever you desire.

 

PS: We can't get enough helicopters

[ZQuickSilverZ]

I want the HIND.

[FearKarma]

AH-6 Little Bird pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease :)

[BRooDJeRo]

I would like to use this threads opportunity to thank Eagle Dynamics and partners for creating this awesome one of a kind long lasting simulator and hope there will be many years ahead of us.

 

In 2010 DCS was a total different ballgame in which even i was slightly vocal in leaving the simulator be for what it was if you catch my drift. I'm very glad i didn't and since that time many improvements have been made. Visible as well as invisible.

 

Right now i don't have allot of time to put tons of time in the simulator, but i want Eagle Dynamics to know that i'm here to stay like a fat fly on a huge fresh pile of droppings and you most likely have to kill me to get rid of me.

 

Happy new year Eagle Dynamics, 3rd party developers, mission functionality developers and testers as well as the community!

 

:worthy:

[Roadrunner]

I would like to use this threads opportunity to thank Eagle Dynamics and partners for creating this awesome one of a kind long lasting simulator and hope there will be many years ahead of us.

 

In 2010 DCS was a total different ballgame in which even i was slightly vocal in leaving the simulator be for what it was if you catch my drift. I'm very glad i didn't and since that time many improvements have been made. Visible as well as invisible.

 

Right now i don't have allot of time to put tons of time in the simulator, but i want Eagle Dynamics to know that i'm here to stay like a fat fly on a huge fresh pile of droppings and you most likely have to kill me to get rid of me.

 

Happy new year Eagle Dynamics, 3rd party developers, mission functionality developers and testers as well as the community!

 

:worthy:

 

thats the spirit :)

[ebabil]

if this will be helicopter world, umm no prob, i am in :)

but a multirole fighter would be great too LOL

[Linx]

If you don't mind an FC3 fidelity. Hi-fi -18C is going to take at least roughly two years.

 

At this point many wouldn't mind if it's FC3 fidelity. ( although with the clickable cockpit it's arguably gonna be at least a few steps above it)

Or any new FC level modern jet that would fit into current DCS World enviroment. Anything that would change the impression

 

The last new plane to be released was P-51 in 2012, and that one doesn't really fit in much, at least not until DCS WW2 comes out.

 

Flaming Cliffs 3 is just a repeat of previous Flaming Cliffs incarnations that allows it to function in DCS World enviroment and with additional graphical make-up. It needed to be done and it also allows more flexibility and accessibility. But apart from that, it's same planes, same avionics. Nothing ground breaking for those who have been playing since Lock On.

 

DCS Hawk is looking very nice and looks on par with A-10C, but it's not a plane that you take into any serious form of combat and come back alive or do much of an impact on the battle. It's gonna be great for aerobatic teams or squads that will want to train rookies with an appropriate plane.

But not for people who prefer combat.

 

Mig-21bis is also looking great and will work better for people who want combat airplanes, although it might be a bit outdated compared to the threats it's gonna be facing but that problem might go away if more comparable planes and equipment are released in the future. ( fingers crossed that F-100D will follow soon)

 

Other than these two, what else is new for jet fans in DCS?

New flight models for two jets that have been around since 2003?

F-18C is far, far away according to Wags and Super Bug developers aren't really keen on giving out information. ( can't really blame them)

That's it. IRIS is pretty much gone, Kinney is gone, Mil-Sim gone, RAZBAM is being awfully quiet...

 

 

So let's be honest, the near future is bleak for fans of Modern Air Combat and Rikus is right in way.

Currently this is Helicopter World, but it will change for the better this year.

Edited January 5, 2014 by Linx

[danilop]

It seems that lot of people don't understand the study combat flight sim market and make assumptions based on the mainstream gaming market where we have sequels every two years or so.

 

For a start, your average gamer would be scared to death and probably would suffer an instant panic attack after being left for 5 minutes in the cockpit of A-10c. So he/she will never, ever come back.

 

Flight sim enthusiasts are considered geeks (you should read discussions about say radars :)), are very hard to please, are counted in thousands, rather than hundreds of thousands and millions, so this market is avoided like plague by big software companies. All the mighty ones (with huge budgets and resources) were very quick to pull out. The stubborn ones, who didn't want to compromise, are no more.

 

So that leaves us with the only survivor: Eagle Dynamics.

 

I think that they know thing or two about surviving in this market, and who the *ell are we to question their strategy regarding timing of new content release?

 

Instead, we should question the quality of the already released (and payed for) content and politely demand improved stability with better overall gaming experience.

Edited January 5, 2014 by danilop

[BavarianPilot]

Switching to Chit Chat in 3.....2.......1

[armageddon]

At this point many wouldn't mind if it's FC3 fidelity. ( although with the clickable cockpit it's arguably gonna be at least a few steps above it)

Or any new FC level modern jet that would fit into current DCS World enviroment. Anything that would change the impression

 

The last new plane to be released was P-51 in 2012, and that one doesn't really fit in much, at least not until DCS WW2 comes out.

 

Flaming Cliffs 3 is just a repeat of previous Flaming Cliffs incarnations that allows it to function in DCS World enviroment and with additional graphical make-up. It needed to be done and it also allows more flexibility and accessibility. But apart from that, it's same planes, same avionics. Nothing ground breaking for those who have been playing since Lock On.

 

DCS Hawk is looking very nice and looks on par with A-10C, but it's not a plane that you take into any serious form of combat and come back alive or do much of an impact on the battle. It's gonna be great for aerobatic teams or squads that will want to train rookies with an appropriate plane.

But not for people who prefer combat.

 

Mig-21bis is also looking great and will work better for people who want combat airplanes, although it might be a bit outdated compared to the threats it's gonna be facing but that problem might go away if more comparable planes and equipment are released in the future. ( fingers crossed that F-100D will follow soon)

 

Other than these two, what else is new for jet fans in DCS?

New flight models for two jets that have been around since 2003?

F-18C is far, far away according to Wags and Super Bug developers aren't really keen on giving out information. ( can't really blame them)

That's it. IRIS is pretty much gone, Kinney is gone, Mil-Sim gone, RAZBAM is being awfully quiet...

 

 

So let's be honest, the near future is bleak for fans of Modern Air Combat and Rikus is right in way.

Currently this is Helicopter World, but it will change for the better this year.

 

So, in your opinion we have right now 3 modern attack helicopters, which can seriously impact on battle?

Right now we don't have even one heli that we could compare to an A-10C or the upcoming F-18C in terms of modern avionics and weapons.

I think the more airplanes you'll get the more you will request.It is time to bring in some modern helicopter and not another jet in addition to a-10 and f-18.

[JayPee]

DCS World or Helicopter World

 

Why should a general discussion on the content and strategy of the entire DCS World platform be dumped and disregarded in the rather unimportant Chit Chat section? I better hope it's not because of a few remarks where ED dropped the ball and could have done better...

 

Furthermore I do agree with the general opinion that DCSW offers two hi-fi attack platforms of significance (10C & 50) whereas other units might create the impression they were introduced, ported from FC3, or given an AFM for the sake of filling the timeline and the newness hungry customers, without actually serving a relevant purpose. Don't get me wrong, the contribution of 3rd parties is great but in the end ED's responsible for what makes it into DCSW and what doesn't. I'm not an arse licking fanboy nor am I a hater. I think ED did a pretty good job bringing the 50 and 10C to the public as AFAIK no other party has ever done that to the DCS extent before. But common, rereleasing an almost 10 year old game for "compatibility with DCSW"; 'releasing' advanced flightmodels for that game; 'releasing' two seperate ACFT from that game for DCSW owners.. Really?! There's only so much milk you can get from a cow.

 

To conclude, I think we've had our fair share of fun, with helos/side role ACFT and upgrades/updates, it's time for a new fully modeled platform in line with the -10C modeling. Preferably home made by ED if that is vital to fidelity as they have clearly shown their abilities in the past.

Edited January 5, 2014 by JayPee