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Well, neither a RC remote control nor an X-Box controller have particular strong springs in the thumbsticks. Of course you can learn to fly with those (or even a keyboard) if you put enough treining in. No Objection here. I think the original spark for the discussion was that OP was particularly struggling with the control/coordination of Chopper flying. Which is not uncommon, since it is difficult. Some struggle more, some less. However, I think it is not wrong to suggest, that good controller options are helping with that. Of course you don't NEED a FFB option to fly properly. But a long extension and light resistance certainly does help with fine control. I learned Helicopter flying with a classic spring loaded stick (TM16000 to be specific), and whilst I eventually got it figured out (with proper utilisation of the trim options), getting a "better" Joystick with a 20cm Gooseneck extension and adjustable Springs made it a lot more enjoyable and my flying much more precise. (Well and ultimately I'm certainly a committed FFB user, but I won't suggest that you NEED FFB to become a good virtual pilot or have a good experience with DCS. It's more like a cherry on top of the cream)

32 GB is certainly an improvement and 16GB without a doubt a bottleneck for DCS. Ultimately only you can decide how close or far an overall upgrade would be. If you are ok with the current peak performance, an update to 32GB will probably smooth out some of the drops.

You’re probably better off saving up for a more meaningful upgrade further down the road.

More RAM will smooth out hickups in fps due to cashing/loading issues, but it won’t raise your maximum fps. Still, an upgrade to 32 and up to 64 GB is recommendable for DCS, though the latter would only make sense when you upgrade the rest of your system as well. (imho) Are you equipped with an SSD or still a spinning HDD?

Oh ffs…. 90% of suffering is pre assumption of stuff that’ll never happen. All of that misery just to earn the chance of a petty “told ‘ya”. Right now it’s working, isn’t it?

apart from the roughly 15 steps you dropped, yeah sounds about right….

Have you tried to start up the Hip?

Can you try to disable all mods. There are a lot of error messages. Maybe just rename the folder in the savedgames.

That’s the mindset! Much appreciated!

Well, ultimately it is pretty pointless to discuss such online without the possibility to experience each other’s hardware (difficult choice of words here ) and what exactly they mean. Obviously you need ‘some’ kind of resistance or friction to keep the stick steady. What I was going for is that you definitely don’t want to fight the typical resistance springs on an average Joystick if possible. Once you positioned the cyclic it should either hold by friction or you should force trim it so that the position is the center of any recentering force. Those are the two ways real helicopters would operate. Smaller lighter ones usually just have basic linkages, and since there act very little outside forces they basically stay put, even if hydraulically augmented. Bigger or more sophisticated ones may have a force trim release system that spring centers the cyclic around a trimmed middle position. Either one is difficult to mimic with a classical joystick. Best approach I could find when I still used a classical Joystick, was “central position trimmer mode”, long extension and light springs with no middle notch (that was already a premium joystick with variable cams and springs). Because fine control (“fingertip control”) is paramount for hovering a helicopter. All those walls of texts basically to hammer home one single message: You don’t want to fight the Stick! (personal/subjective opinion: I’d rather have a completely limp Cyclic than one that has too much resistance)

I should clarify that by trim I meant force trim aka re-centering the middle point. (See special options for things like “Instant trim” etc….) The incremental 4-way trimmer is something different and can be used for fine trim once in a stable attitude. But force trim is far more important (imho)

No, I’m at 120 fps. looks exactly like the above example unfortunately

Very interesting! Thanks for the showcase! That’s exactly what I meant.

...sofern man die Ergebnisse gegencheckt bevor man handelt. Blind verlassen würde ich mich auf KI-Ergebnisse nicht. Die zitieren auch gerne mal aus uralten, völlig bescheuerten Reddit-posts. Aber um einen Überblick zu bekommen sicherlich legitim.

Actually, when I'm looking to the side to my wing tip. The missile is mich bigger than an Aircraft 1 NM away...... I can't really follow that argument. But hey, I've no clue. It's possible that you are right.

I get what you are suggesting, but why would that apply specifically to the missile/rails and nothing else? I have a little bit of ghosting with fast aircraft moving against the background with DLAA, but nothing llike the jittering of the missiles.

In my mind, G-HUB is an absolute crap piece of software that shouldn't be running if possible. Other's milage may vary. Only thing it is good for, is to keep the rainbow puke on my mouse at bay, but for that I'm not willing to compromise my DCS experience.

My perception from the video is, that there is much more wing tip movement due to the inertia of the missiles, but the connection between the missile and its rail seems rock solid. What I was going for ist that in the game the missiles jiggle relative to their rails. The momentum on the wing is missing for the most part. But that's just not a feature and no "bug" afaik.

I'm not so sure if the real world methods are applicable to a Joystick in front of or on top of a desk.... Trust me on that. The less resistence your stick offers, the better for helicopter flying. Ideally you would have a stick that has no/little/adjustable spring re-centering force and holds every postion you put it in (like a real world cyclic would), but that would need a FFB-Device like the VP Rhino of FFBeast (or the frinckin' Moza). VERY recommendable - but VERY expensive as well.... With a common spring loaded joystick, it is vital, that you choose the right trimming mode in the special options and learn how it works! You DON'T want to fight the stick!

Don't look at your instruments while picking up. Outside references are far more important and easy to pick up. This pressure rather than movement is the weirdest advise (for helicopters, at least in the sim world) I think I ever heard. Helicopter controls are light and often have no recentering spring at all (for a reason). I would also advise against a deadzone for helicopters. There is no distinct center position for a cyclic, so where is the deadzone supposed to be? Try to flatten the response curves for pitch and roll a bit. That may help with fine control around the middle. But keep it at bay. Maybe 10% max 20%. Make sure you do it slow. Have you tried the trim options?

Wobei ich glaube, dass sich die Problematik mit aktuellen spitzen Chipsätzen etwas entschärft hat. Der X870 hat so viele PCI-lanes. Würde mich wundern, wenn es hier ernsthafte Flaschenhälse gibt. Wenn ich auf die Schnelle lese, dass selbst Mittelklasse Boards mittlerweile 3x PCIx16 unterstützen....

Definitiv. Mainboards sind entsetzlich teuer geworden. Vor Allem wenn man eins in Vollfettstufe haben will. Es ist auf jden Fall wichtig die Specs genau zu studieren und sich auch im klaren darüber zu sein, wieviele M.2 z.B. man installieren möchte.

Nah, the proprietary Motor and Circuit Board are 179,- +VAT (€). When you can print yourself, you may add 50-100 for Mounting Hardware and Filament. Still expensive though!

Gutes RAM, ja. Aber nicht übertreiben bei der Geschwindigkeit. Nutzen ist überschaubar, die Stabilitätsprobleme nehmen aber exponentiell zu. 6400 MT/s ist das Maximum das ich empfehlen würde. Innerhalb der Geschwindigkeitsklasse, dann die best mögliche Latenz wählen. Ansonsten stimme ich uneingeschränkt zu. Was die Zukunftssicherheit angeht. 9000er CPUs laufen auf jeden Fall, und was danach kommt wissen wir noch nicht. Aber wenn ich es richtig im Kopf habe, wird AMD zumindestens noch eine weitere Generation für AM5 bringen. Die wird dann (mindestens nach BIOS-update) mit ziemlicher Sicherheit auch laufen. Keiner sagt, dass Intel CPUs nicht auch schnell sind. Aber Intel hat halt leider viele Baustellen und Schwächen offenbart (Degeneration). So lange sich diese nicht manifestieren ist ja alles iO, aber wenn ich mir ein neues System baue, würde ich derzeit trotzdem AMD wählen. Bin seinerzeit vom großartigen i7 4790K auf Ryzen 3000 und dann auf 5000 umgestiegen. Habe grundsätzlich kein Problem damit wieder auf Intel umzusteigen, aber im Moment traue ich denen einfach nicht. Vom ständigen Sockel-Wechsel ganz abgesehen.

...and there is quality differences in dampers. Some have a quite pronounced direction-change "hole". The one I used to have had this issue more pronounced the stronger the damping was set. If you want the "best-of-the-best", use a motorcycle Steering Damper (a quality one obviously) or apply a FFB mod to your Crosswinds (expensive). But first try Max' suggestion. It'll probably improve the issue.