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What type of curve? With slider selected? I would think that in the real helo, the collective input is linear but the helo's response is not linear because of real world physics. If the sim reproduces this, then curves should not be necessary. But it seems a flatter curve at the sensitive range (landing and hover) may be helpful. Then again, I am no pilot. Just thinking.

Thanks! PS: I found the manual online with those same hotas diagrams.

Or ChatGPT to translate...

Warthog throttle. I used to have a curve of 15%. Now I don't use a curve but use the option for slider. I do however use curves for stick (15%) and rudder (10%).

In the top left panel above the pilot's head, the "R ALT HOLD" and "AUTO HOVER" button lights are lit right? (Btw, my test was an air start in Nevada.)

Not practical for PC sim life. IDK about the real aircraft but there are some things that I feel do not need to be simulated to the T, or at least there should be an option.

Works for me. This is how I tested... 1. Come to a pretty ok OGE hover (GS about 10knts) then engage Auto Hover which also turns Alt Hold on. 2. Work collective until Climb/Descent dial needle is stable at 0 or 9 o'clock (this can require some fine adjustment). 3. Watch GS and Alt. GS stayed between 1-3 knts. Alt was maintained. But I wondered if Auto Hover really working or was I just trimmed well? Seemed like I did most of the work with the Collective-Climb/Descent thing. So I tested further by... 1. Alt Hold on but turn Auto Hover off: GS increased up to 24 knts and the translational lift increased my Alt. Turn Auto Hover back on and GS slowed to 1-3 knts as before and Alt stabilised. 2. Auto Hover on but turn Alt Hold off: I began descending but GS stayed between 1-3 knts. Turned Alt Hold back on and Alt stabilised and GS continued between 1-3 knts. So it appears to me Alt Hover does try to maintain a close to nil GS. And when it is turned off, GS increases and Alt Hold loses some control as Alt increases with translational lift. But when the GS eventually stabilises at 24 knts in my test, then the Alt Hold keeps the new Alt. Make sense?

No worries, yeah documentation apart from Chuck's is lacking. Deka's Chinese Flight Manual (336 pages) was completed and is in C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\JF-17\Doc. It has yet to be translated to English. But you can make out the topics as they kept the English abbreviations like RBM, FTT, DBS, etc plus you have the familiar diagrams. If you are willing, you could zoom in on specific topics and Google translate or use ChatGPT. Section 5.2 might be what you are looking for. It's a hassle but might help with getting some needed info.

Open beta latest? I've just tested it and it works for me - S2 left in Center MFCD AG Radar cycles RBM, EXP, DBS1,2. (S2 right cancels EXP/DBS and changes RBM Azimuth.)

I guess that's where the issue is. The MFCD gain/level buttons are ok because they can only be mouse-clicked in steps (doesn't inc/dec continuously). But when I use the 4-way HAT switch to bind WMD7/TV Up/Dn/L/R, it is different in that one press repeats the command continuously and too rapidly. A rate or sensitivity slider in the Special options for gain/level would be helpful as I think each hotas may react slightly differently.

It's been there for 2 years ? with no clarification and even included in the recent updated Chinese manual along with other non-implemented functions like AG manual submode. They could have just written (N.I.) next to it if they wanted to keep it there for some reason. Gives me the feeling they copy-pasted the table and left the verification to paying customers to figure out.

It's the index finger 4-way hat on my warthog throttle. I use it consistently across jet modules for things like radar antenna elev, TGP zoom, gain (L/R).

I am using a 4-way HAT switch to adjust gain and level in the TGP/MIL display (binding WMD7/TV Up/Dn/L/R) but I find it increases and decreases too rapidly. Anyway to slow it down? There is a slider for TDC slew rate in the Special options. Would be great if gain and level could also have rate slider.

Ah copy that, "LSD" flashes with the LSR button pressed. Got confused with the "LSR" abbreviation for ranging.

That’s laser ranging

Thanks for the helpful manuals. Noticed a couple of things (perhaps for the next update): 1) Page 226 and elsewhere says laser designation in Manual Mode "requires you to use the Laser Designator ON/OFF binding RCTRL+O to fire the laser and latch it". The TGP no longer has the option for Manual lasing and latching as it is now AUTO only. 2) T2 Press for AG Mode "Select Manual Submode" is not implemented. 3) S2 Press for "Enter WIDE/NAR mode" in DGFT (ACM w/o locked target) is not implemented. There are probably others not implemented but still listed in Deka's tables.

2 years later.... Seems there hasn't been any change. Add T2 Press for "Select Manual Submode" in AG Master Mode to the not implemented list. And the 'updated' Chinese manual (let alone the outdated English manual) still has those functions listed in their tables even though they are not implemented.

Hi, Both English (pg 73) and Chinese (pg 296) manuals state "Enter WIDE/NAR mode" for S2 Press in DGFT ACM w/o Target. Is this implemented? I cannot get it to work. Thks

Please remove it from the English and Chinese manuals if it is not implemented.

I checked the updated Chinese manual which says of the T2 switch "干扰发射/红外箔条投放/CAGE 解锁开关" which Google translates as "Jamming launch/Infrared chaff release/Cage unlock switch". This is as per Chuck's Guide, ie. Jammer (T2 fwd) / Flares chaff release (T2 aft) / Msl cage-uncage (T2 press) and how it works in the sim. But the updated Chinese manual (pg 298 table) also says, like in the old English manual, that T2 Press in the AG Mode does "选择Manual 子模式" which Google translates as "Select the Manual submode". I tried T2 press in AG Mode thinking it might change bombing modes like CCIP to AUTO/CCRP but nothing happens. What is it supposed to do or is that stated function an error in the manual?

+1 though it's probably never going to happen since a big part of ED's business survival is to sell more and more EAs

A ratio of 4:6 or 0.66 seems to be the recommended. I try to create kneeboards that don't need zooming in to see the info if possible. Such as the commands for George at 2240x3338 (0.67) 1.5MB - could have been smaller. Some other examples like the popular Case landing procedures for the Hornet by Dmitriy which have very detailed text are at 1358x2048 (0.66) 409KB. Those you'll need to zoom in to read. So it varies and depends. Even if the ratio is not 'correct', the game seems to fit it in but it will be distorted. (Has to be in png format.)