DB 605

Great, you have not forgot :D Gotta say those screen looks really sexy, this will be good one!

I just got my hands again finnish book called "Lentäjän näkökulma" (pilot's viewpoint). There is quite well known finnish test report from 1943, of Bf 109 G2 "MT-215", Erla-built machine wich was in almost new condition. You can found some performance figures of this test from Kürfurst site for example. This part of text is quite interesting and pretty much opposite of what we have currently in game (note that this is my own translation and may contain some errors but point should became clear. Original text by test pilot himself, Pekka Kokko. Landing gears are already down at this point): "Taking flaps down makes plane nose-heavy, so at same time must trim elevator to position -3...-5, wich is good position to landing." Now if you trim plane in -5 position in landing configuration at game, it'll became pretty horrible to fly. You must push the stick forward to almost limit and if you let go, plane will dart up like a rocket and stall. I have some doubts about that would be case in real life... Another interesting note comes from Mark Hanna's report of flying the "Black 2", ex-buchon converted to Bf 109 G10: "Above 550km/h, one peculiarity is slight nose-down trim change as you accelerate. This means that when you run in for an airshow above 500km/h, the airplane has a slight tucking sensation- a sort of desire to get down to ground level. This is easily held on stick, or it can be trimmed out, but it is slightly surprising initially." Now we get this in game only in when plane is trimmed full nose-heavy and speed doesent affect it a lot. Yo-Yo, as you are far more knowledgeable about these things than me, would you explain what would be the benefits of design if trim really worked like it does now in game? I.e when trimmed full nose-heavy it will go only slightly nose-down and when trimmed full tail-heavy flying became almost impossible?

DB 605DB with B4 fuel & MW50.

Wow that was fast fix and looks really good now, thanks a lot!

76 for ealier, but for late it was usually overpainted with same color as uppersurfaces:

First one sounds like radial engine, not very familiar for me. Corsair? Next ones Griffon and merlin engined spitfires. No? :music_whistling:

Well i only have G6 (real) manual, but there it says for take-off set trim to 1 (nose-heavy) and for landing -3 (tail heavy). In DCS if you trim it to -3 with full flaps and gears down, you have to push stick quite strongly to forward and if you let stick go it'll stalls right away. Feels quite unnatural to me and opposite to what i've read. Anyone have real K4 manual? What are recommended trim setting there for T/O and landing?

Yes, most of very late 109s had undersurfaces left on bare metal to save time and paint. Erla is especially known about that. There is quite lot of pictures as a proof. JaPo, Wolowski and other well known researchers agreed on this. 76 were still used to protect those parts wich was not metal like ailerons and sometimes panel seams. Good source for Erla paint schemes: http://barracudacals.com/proddetail.php?prod=BC32144 and http://barracudacals.com/proddetail.php?prod=BC32144 And for real pics:

Ok, thanks. Then something else will change i guess, as currently we need to trim it to nose-heavy even with full flaps and gears down. Wich is not exactly what i read from pilot notes or manual of real plane.

I just double checked and you're right, that seems indeed to be the way in Erla built machines. My first comment based other 109's and Wolowski's profile of Erla K4 so my bad. :)

Look at fighters from late 30's, none of then actually have very good visibility. Or even early-mid 1940's...looks first generation Mustang, Corsair, P-47, P-40 etc. etc. All have horrible "bird-cage" canopies with endless rows of frames around. FW 190 was actually one of the first "next generation" fighters with cockpit kinda built on top of the frame rather than inside of it. So it's simply about evolution. About elevator trimming issues, i think it's all about beta and there will be changes in future.

^ Indeed. I have that one (109's of jg52), their older K4 book and Bf 109 G10U4 in pdf. If someone is interested just PM me.

Erla built 109's have always being my favourites, thank you very much! Hopefully we have Erla G10 in game some day... Skin looks great and makes 109 looks very sleek and mean indeed :) Couple of notes: triangle marking in over oil filler hatch should actually be under the hatch: Natural metal underside looks nice, however couple of differently coloured panes would highlight it better, now it looks kinda like it is painted to grey :)

From Japo book "Bf 109's of JG 52 in Deutch Brod"

Nice, very nice! This is quesswork like always with these, but as latest researchs shows that late 109's wings undersides were left unpainted (only ailerons and some cases radiatos and wingtips were painted) in many cases, i think same would be true with this as it was one of the very latest K4's made? Either way, great job!

Well there is LOT's of great looking K4 paint schemes to choose, no reason to expand G14/AS or G10 territory quite yet...in my opinion. It's your choice of course :) By the way, this one is most probably G14/AS, as you can see there is no chin bulges in engine cowlings.

From this : http://www.schifferbooks.com/messerschmitt-bf-109-f-g-k-series-an-illustrated-study-2154.html Should be pretty reliable source even it contains some outdated information by now. But like Ballenato said, theres DB605D engine so...

For a second i tought we have G6 module coming too already :) But yeah, awesome sound, saw that yesterday on Hangar 10 fb page. It's great to have another DB powered 109 flying soon, along with another one coming from Meiermotors...good times.

Well it doesen't have any K features, like wider wheels, wheel covers, streamlined cowlings with chin bulges, larger oil coller etc. Yep, i have that book in my shelf.

^ Not K4, looks like early G to me.

Aaand here's the 10m/s crosswind take-off:

Yeah almost shat my pants :D

Nice! ^ Here's my first attemp with 10m/s sidewind from right. Forget to straighten her out just before touchdown but at least plane stayed intact...sort of :D

Just leave leave this part off: between youtube tags.